Gordon Hayward Thread - Congratulations on Birth of Son!!! (09-23-20)

[100proof]

am I the only one that believes our young guys will step up while he is out ?? whats more, kemba and Smart BOTH are overdue for some dynamic shooting games, LONG overdue !!
grant and rob flashed big last night ... Jays are ready to lead, I remain quite hopeful for a very deep playoff run

I have been firmly with you on this.

I think the teams potential is higher without Hayward.

[SichtingLives]

Gordon lives under a black cloud .

that rains lots of money

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

am I the only one that believes our young guys will step up while he is out ?? whats more, kemba and Smart BOTH are overdue for some dynamic shooting games, LONG overdue !!
grant and rob flashed big last night ... Jays are ready to lead, I remain quite hopeful for a very deep playoff run

I agree that Kemba is due for a big game. I know people love Smart on here and he can do no wrong but his last 8 games in the bubble he has not really played well. Smart is a great 6th or 7th guy off the bench but now the Celtics have to use him as a core player and have to witness his poor shooting or watch him shoot and brick absurd 3 pointers at the worst possible time.

Hayward no question had his faults but he can shoot, rebound and is a play maker. Celtics lost a crucial piece of the team and are now relying guys like Williams, Timelord, Wanamaker, Kanter who tend to be bad to serviceable at best most games to get them far in the playoffs. With Hayward gone this teams ceiling is getting to the second round.

[Green89]

am I the only one that believes our young guys will step up while he is out ?? whats more, kemba and Smart BOTH are overdue for some dynamic shooting games, LONG overdue !!
grant and rob flashed big last night ... Jays are ready to lead, I remain quite hopeful for a very deep playoff run

I agree that Kemba is due for a big game. I know people love Smart on here and he can do no wrong but his last 8 games in the bubble he has not really played well. Smart is a great 6th or 7th guy off the bench but now the Celtics have to use him as a core player and have to witness his poor shooting or watch him shoot and brick absurd 3 pointers at the worst possible time.

Hayward no question had his faults but he can shoot, rebound and is a play maker. Celtics lost a crucial piece of the team and are now relying guys like Williams, Timelord, Wanamaker, Kanter who tend to be bad to serviceable at best most games to get them far in the playoffs. With Hayward gone this teams ceiling is getting to the second round.

There's pessimism and then there's trash. This is just a trash take and not having faith in your team. There's simply no home court in these playoffs. The Blazers already beat the Lakers and the Magic beat the Bucks. We're in a normal playoff atmosphere with those games being played in Milwaukee and LA and no way either one of those teams take game 1. This season is wide open and we have more than enough personnel without Hayward for a deep run. Stop with these garbage takes, please, and don't watch if you think so lowly of your players.

[chrisab123]

I know he’s not your favorite, but a Rozier type guys being unleashed after being stuck behind Kyrie would be awesome right now. Irrational swagger, grit, some skill to back it up. Not sure I see that, though. Grant? javonte?

Never really had a problem with Rozier, the player. It was more him not accepting his role once he was demoted back to the bench. As a starter in the playoffs, he was a positive for us for the traits you mention. We unleash Smart and pray? You wanna wish it's Edwards but I don't see it. Stevens should roll the dice with more Timelord, the offensive rating god. Just run a ton of PnR with him and Kemba/Smart. If we need ballhandling, I trust Langford the most for some reason. Javonte and Semi can't make it past two dribbles lol.

Man this encapsulates a lot of my feelings about Rozier. He did a great job for us when he was starting and we needed a guard who could score, and he is playing well in that role in Charlotte too. But he was huge a problem for us both on and off the court when Kyrie and Gordon were taking his minutes and shots. Same with Marcus Morris - decent player in the right role, but we couldn't provide that role for him at the same time we were trying to get Gordon back to health at the same time we needed to develop Jaylen and Jayson.

I know he isn't popular, but after struggling early in game 1, Kanter gave us some good rebounding and passing in the fourth quarter when we were catching up to Philly. Maybe he will get a few of Gordon's minutes in the hopes he can recapture some of that.

Let's be real, Rozier is a scrub that viewed himself as a top 5 point guard in the league and considered himself more talented than Kyrie. He's delusional and if he was on the team this year would severly limit the ceiling. I'm more than okay with Marcus being in the starting lineup and giving Embiid and company headaches. Next man up. Maybe the Celtics can find that next swingman already on the roster. Maybe Romeo?

[Slax]

Never really had a problem with Rozier, the player. It was more him not accepting his role once he was demoted back to the bench. As a starter in the playoffs, he was a positive for us for the traits you mention. We unleash Smart and pray? You wanna wish it's Edwards but I don't see it. Stevens should roll the dice with more Timelord, the offensive rating god. Just run a ton of PnR with him and Kemba/Smart. If we need ballhandling, I trust Langford the most for some reason. Javonte and Semi can't make it past two dribbles lol.

Man this encapsulates a lot of my feelings about Rozier. He did a great job for us when he was starting and we needed a guard who could score, and he is playing well in that role in Charlotte too. But he was huge a problem for us both on and off the court when Kyrie and Gordon were taking his minutes and shots. Same with Marcus Morris - decent player in the right role, but we couldn't provide that role for him at the same time we were trying to get Gordon back to health at the same time we needed to develop Jaylen and Jayson.

I know he isn't popular, but after struggling early in game 1, Kanter gave us some good rebounding and passing in the fourth quarter when we were catching up to Philly. Maybe he will get a few of Gordon's minutes in the hopes he can recapture some of that.

Let's be real, Rozier is a scrub that viewed himself as a top 5 point guard in the league and considered himself more talented than Kyrie. He's delusional and if he was on the team this year would severly limit the ceiling. I'm more than okay with Marcus being in the starting lineup and giving Embiid and company headaches. Next man up. Maybe the Celtics can find that next swingman already on the roster. Maybe Romeo?

I'm not saying we should have kept Rozier, but he's a pretty decent player who just doesn't fit on our team because we already have a bunch of scorers and ball handlers who are better and more efficient than him. Yes he thinks he's more talented than he is, and yes he had an attitude problem when he was forced into a reduced role in his first contract year, and frankly as a result I'm glad he's gone and found a new home, but he's not a scrub.

[OldCeltics]

When is Gordon's wife due? Will it be within the 1 month he is recovering?

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

am I the only one that believes our young guys will step up while he is out ?? whats more, kemba and Smart BOTH are overdue for some dynamic shooting games, LONG overdue !!
grant and rob flashed big last night ... Jays are ready to lead, I remain quite hopeful for a very deep playoff run

I agree that Kemba is due for a big game. I know people love Smart on here and he can do no wrong but his last 8 games in the bubble he has not really played well. Smart is a great 6th or 7th guy off the bench but now the Celtics have to use him as a core player and have to witness his poor shooting or watch him shoot and brick absurd 3 pointers at the worst possible time.

Hayward no question had his faults but he can shoot, rebound and is a play maker. Celtics lost a crucial piece of the team and are now relying guys like Williams, Timelord, Wanamaker, Kanter who tend to be bad to serviceable at best most games to get them far in the playoffs. With Hayward gone this teams ceiling is getting to the second round.

There's pessimism and then there's trash. This is just a trash take and not having faith in your team. There's simply no home court in these playoffs. The Blazers already beat the Lakers and the Magic beat the Bucks. We're in a normal playoff atmosphere with those games being played in Milwaukee and LA and no way either one of those teams take game 1. This season is wide open and we have more than enough personnel without Hayward for a deep run. Stop with these garbage takes, please, and don't watch if you think so lowly of your players.

Call it a garbage take or whatever you'd like but celtics
are top heavy and their chances of a deep playoffs run hinged on having their key players stay healthy. Unfortunately that plan blew up Monday and the reality of the situation is when teams lose key players they don't normally win championships.

Most of the Celtics starters are solid but they cannot play 48 minutes a game. Celtics bench has been bad all year and no I don't have faith in Wanamaker, Williams, Williams, Kanter or Semi to consistently help the team win.

Maybe they have enough to get by the sixes who have their own problems but this team's only going to go so far the way it's constructed.

[steefP2]

When is Gordon's wife due? Will it be within the 1 month he is recovering?

it's roughly in 4 weeks as well iirc, so yeah

[Green89]

I agree that Kemba is due for a big game. I know people love Smart on here and he can do no wrong but his last 8 games in the bubble he has not really played well. Smart is a great 6th or 7th guy off the bench but now the Celtics have to use him as a core player and have to witness his poor shooting or watch him shoot and brick absurd 3 pointers at the worst possible time.

Hayward no question had his faults but he can shoot, rebound and is a play maker. Celtics lost a crucial piece of the team and are now relying guys like Williams, Timelord, Wanamaker, Kanter who tend to be bad to serviceable at best most games to get them far in the playoffs. With Hayward gone this teams ceiling is getting to the second round.

There's pessimism and then there's trash. This is just a trash take and not having faith in your team. There's simply no home court in these playoffs. The Blazers already beat the Lakers and the Magic beat the Bucks. We're in a normal playoff atmosphere with those games being played in Milwaukee and LA and no way either one of those teams take game 1. This season is wide open and we have more than enough personnel without Hayward for a deep run. Stop with these garbage takes, please, and don't watch if you think so lowly of your players.

Call it a garbage take or whatever you'd like but celtics
are top heavy and their chances of a deep playoffs run hinged on having their key players stay healthy. Unfortunately that plan blew up Monday and the reality of the situation is when teams lose key players they don't normally win championships.

Most of the Celtics starters are solid but they cannot play 48 minutes a game. Celtics bench has been bad all year and no I don't have faith I Wanamaker, Williams, Williams, Kanter and Semi to consistently help the team win.

Maybe they have enough to get by the sixes who have their own problems but this team's only going to go so far the way it's constructed.

You do realize Hayward is our fourth leading scorer on the team, right? We have three other all star caliber players still playing. You win in the playoffs based on how far your star performers take you. We still have those type of players.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

There's pessimism and then there's trash. This is just a trash take and not having faith in your team. There's simply no home court in these playoffs. The Blazers already beat the Lakers and the Magic beat the Bucks. We're in a normal playoff atmosphere with those games being played in Milwaukee and LA and no way either one of those teams take game 1. This season is wide open and we have more than enough personnel without Hayward for a deep run. Stop with these garbage takes, please, and don't watch if you think so lowly of your players.

Call it a garbage take or whatever you'd like but celtics
are top heavy and their chances of a deep playoffs run hinged on having their key players stay healthy. Unfortunately that plan blew up Monday and the reality of the situation is when teams lose key players they don't normally win championships.

Most of the Celtics starters are solid but they cannot play 48 minutes a game. Celtics bench has been bad all year and no I don't have faith I Wanamaker, Williams, Williams, Kanter and Semi to consistently help the team win.

Maybe they have enough to get by the sixes who have their own problems but this team's only going to go so far the way it's constructed.

You do realize Hayward is our fourth leading scorer on the team, right? We have three other all star caliber players still playing. You win in the playoffs based on how far your star performers take you. We still have those type of players.

Who cares where Hayward is on the scoring chart? He averaged 17 ppg 7 rebounds, 4 assists and is the teams best play maker and you're downplaying his importance because he is the teams 4th leading scorer?

Yeah Brown, Tatum and Walker are great but what if they have a couple of bad games or get into foul trouble? Maybe you do go as far as the stars can take you but look back at how many non
star unsung heros this team has had over the years. You need players like that to win a crucial game or two and I don't see anyone on the roster that can do that.

[exculpatory]

I remain quite hopeful for a very deep playoff run.

With Hayward gone this team’s ceiling is getting to the second round.

There's pessimism and then there's trash. This is just a trash take and not having faith in your team. There's simply no home court in these playoffs. The Blazers already beat the Lakers and the Magic beat the Bucks. This season is wide open and we have more than enough personnel without Hayward for a deep run. Stop with these garbage takes, please, and don't watch if you think so lowly of your players.

What do you expect from the MOST PATHOLOGICALLY NEGATIVE POSTER in the history of posting?
Have you not been reading Joe’s stuff for the last 12 years?
He actually has improved slightly in the last year or two.

[100proof]

I have said it a few times, I stand by it, I think the teams performance improves with Hayward out.

I wish we had a stronger bench, I mean this one is ok but not championship level imo. But lasst nights games shows it. Williams is a smart player. Is easily my favorite pick by Danny last year. Strong, smart, knows and picks his spots well. Seeing more of him is a good thing.

But far and away the best aspect of Hayward being out is Kemba has more room to Kemba. Since coming to Boston Walker has not been much like what we saw him be in CHarlotte. Adding that Kemba to Tatum and Brown is an absolutely lethal combination. Add in some heady/tenacious/know their role players like Smart/Grant/Wannamaker/Theis and Kanter you are looking pretty dang good.

No Hayward means more Kemba/Tatum/Brown and more of a proper PF....and that is a GREAT thing.

[exculpatory]

I have said it a few times, I stand by it, I think the teams performance improves with Hayward out.

I wish we had a stronger bench, I mean this one is ok but not championship level imo. But lasst nights games shows it. Williams is a smart player. Is easily my favorite pick by Danny last year. Strong, smart, knows and picks his spots well. Seeing more of him is a good thing.

But far and away the best aspect of Hayward being out is Kemba has more room to Kemba. Since coming to Boston Walker has not been much like what we saw him be in CHarlotte. Adding that Kemba to Tatum and Brown is an absolutely lethal combination. Add in some heady/tenacious/know their role players like Smart/Grant/Wannamaker/Theis and Kanter you are looking pretty dang good.

No Hayward means more Kemba/Tatum/Brown and more of a proper PF....and that is a GREAT thing.

We agree about the excellent potential of the team without GH.

I absolutely & categorically disagree that the team is somehow better without a smarter than hell, multi-talented 18 PPG SF - who since 2/2020 has played like the UTAH All Star we coveted & signed.

[100proof]

I have said it a few times, I stand by it, I think the teams performance improves with Hayward out.

I wish we had a stronger bench, I mean this one is ok but not championship level imo. But lasst nights games shows it. Williams is a smart player. Is easily my favorite pick by Danny last year. Strong, smart, knows and picks his spots well. Seeing more of him is a good thing.

But far and away the best aspect of Hayward being out is Kemba has more room to Kemba. Since coming to Boston Walker has not been much like what we saw him be in CHarlotte. Adding that Kemba to Tatum and Brown is an absolutely lethal combination. Add in some heady/tenacious/know their role players like Smart/Grant/Wannamaker/Theis and Kanter you are looking pretty dang good.

No Hayward means more Kemba/Tatum/Brown and more of a proper PF....and that is a GREAT thing.

We agree about the excellent potential of the team without GH.

I absolutely & categorically disagree that the team is somehow better without a smarter than hell, multi-talented 18 PPG SF - who since 2/2020 has played like the UTAH All Star we coveted & signed.

That is fine, but do you agree that having Hayward reduces the impact of Kemba/Brown and tatum? I see it as those three, or some combination of those three, as having a step back due to Gordo.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Well I have to admit that the team looked great yesterday after the first quarter. Bench finally stepped up and had its best game all season. Of course one games isn't enough of a sample size to see if the team is better without Hayward. The second point is Philly is a awful and I had no idea Harris or Horford would be this bad so far. With Simmons out, who does a goods job defending Tatum, sixers have no one that can stop Tatum.

I still think you can get away without having Hayward for this series but the Raps are a legit team and they will need him.

[CeltsfaninDC]

My source for whoever asked is that he tore a friggin ligament in his ankle and there’s no way in hell he will be back in 4 weeks unless he’s wolverine

He's done for a while then. I've had that and its a long time to recover before you can really run. Now, that being said, I did still take the fam to DisneyW 2 weeks after that happened and walked everywhere with a serious ankle brace, meds and lots of ice at lunch and dinner. The swelling was still significant even 2 weeks out so there is no way he's coming back this year.

[Fantaxp7]

Why aren't we talking more about how Hayward was holding back Semi, Rob Williams (3 point specialist), Wannamaker and basically the whole bench! Gawd!

[PtruthP34]

In a perfect world, I could see Hayward returning mid-ECF and providing some shooting and playmaking in a role coming off the bench. If we make the Finals, it would be a boost to have a utility player like Hayward as our 6th man, who could potentially go off against opposing benches or provide insurance in case the Jay's get into foul trouble. If his lateral movement is affected, it may be more easily hidden off the bench and not as part of our closing lineups. Meanwhile Smart can build chemistry with the starters and the closers while Hayward is recovering.

I agree with the sentiment that our 3 stars have extra capacity to soak up Hayward's usage while he is out. Kemba can be the Charlotte Kemba who was a consistent 30 pt threat every night, JT can run the entire offense for stretches with the bench, and JB can focus on more strong drives to the basket and increased ft/r, as I see significant untapped potential for him in this area if he keeps his head up and makes the simple passes.

We have two star wings with unknown ceilings, and giving them the opportunity to test their limits, up their usage, and embrace superstardom on the biggest stage is an exciting luxury to have.

[ConstableGeneva]

Yikes. Some fans do take it too far. This coming from a guy who is blocked from her IG lol.

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