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Re: Kemba Walker Thread: Celtics seek to Trade Walker 

Post#41 » by Triple7 » Fri Jun 4, 2021 2:45 am

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Triple7 wrote:This would be pretty hard to do. Even just one injury, real or not, would make teams think twice. We need to take an almost equally bad contract for this to happen. Wished he was expiring already. If Brad can do it, then he’s off to a good start.


How many seasons does Chris Paul, Westbrook or John Wall have on their deals. Paul would be fantastic to pair with Brown and Tatum or even Beal. We'd match up with anyone.


CP3 has only one more, and would opt out in the off season. He wants a new contract worth 100M plus, so that won’t be favorable to us. Wall and Westbrook have sinilar contracts with 44 and 47M for the next 2 seasons after this. Wouldn’t mind any of them for Kemba
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Post#42 » by Brett43 » Fri Jun 4, 2021 2:46 am

But of course the Celtics seek to trade Walker. Walker would trade himself given his contract vs. performance last season. But Kemba was not bad all season. More than anything, he was hurt. If you trade Kemba now, you hope to trade based on historical performance and optimistic potential, which means you seek to get a good player back. You don't dump him for scraps.

Personally, I would like to see Lonzo Ball in Boston. He would be more valuable to the team than Bradley Beal.

Julius Randle would be another good fit. Isn't Kemba from New York? Maybe the Knicks' terrible management would consider a trade for Kemba + TT + TBD.

I wouldn't mind seeing Rondo back here, either, as the backup point guard. Heck, as the starting point guard. Or an assistant coach.
Let Pritchard and Smart handle PG duties until it becomes obvious that Rondo should start.

If you CAN'T get value for Kemba (more likely than not), then you play his all star a** next season. You also let Parker play serious minutes at power forward; he is obviously still has skills and is only 26. Tristan Thompson is a good player, all in all, but he should be playing backup to Parker.

I wonder how good the Celtics could be with a healthy Kemba, healthy Brown, Parker fully integrated into the lineup, and a shot-blocking center (Kornet happens to be one).
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Re: Kemba Walker Thread: Celtics seek to Trade Walker 

Post#43 » by Triple7 » Fri Jun 4, 2021 2:49 am

Dogen wrote:Portland's out again. Time to blow it up!

Kemba, Romeo, and 3 firsts to Save the Dame!!


Dame is just being stubborn. I don’t know how long he could stay like this. Heck, even KG said he wished he was with the celtics sooner.
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Re: Kemba Walker Thread: Celtics seek to Trade Walker 

Post#44 » by moonie_mcgee » Fri Jun 4, 2021 3:23 am

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Triple7 wrote:This would be pretty hard to do. Even just one injury, real or not, would make teams think twice. We need to take an almost equally bad contract for this to happen. Wished he was expiring already. If Brad can do it, then he’s off to a good start.


How many seasons does Chris Paul, Westbrook or John Wall have on their deals. Paul would be fantastic to pair with Brown and Tatum or even Beal. We'd match up with anyone.


CP3 has only one more, and would opt out in the off season. He wants a new contract worth 100M plus, so that won’t be favorable to us. Wall and Westbrook have sinilar contracts with 44 and 47M for the next 2 seasons after this. Wouldn’t mind any of them for Kemba


Thanks Triple. Seems like a lot fountain of youth is going on in the league. DC bball is a really good watch. Same with Pels. Pace pace pace. Celts really play well when they push it. I read that JB was a top transition player in the league yet we had a game with ZERO transition points in the first half. That's awful.
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Re: Kemba Walker Thread: Celtics seek to Trade Walker 

Post#45 » by Triple7 » Fri Jun 4, 2021 3:31 am

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How many seasons does Chris Paul, Westbrook or John Wall have on their deals. Paul would be fantastic to pair with Brown and Tatum or even Beal. We'd match up with anyone.


CP3 has only one more, and would opt out in the off season. He wants a new contract worth 100M plus, so that won’t be favorable to us. Wall and Westbrook have sinilar contracts with 44 and 47M for the next 2 seasons after this. Wouldn’t mind any of them for Kemba


Thanks Triple. Seems like a lot fountain of youth is going on in the league. DC bball is a really good watch. Same with Pels. Pace pace pace. Celts really play well when they push it. I read that JB was a top transition player in the league yet we had a game with ZERO transition points in the first half. That's awful.


I agree. JB, i think, is our best player in transition offense. He gets to the ring at will at times, and is not afraid of contact.
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Re: Kemba Walker Thread: Celtics seek to Trade Walker 

Post#46 » by moonie_mcgee » Fri Jun 4, 2021 3:39 am

Triple7 wrote:
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CP3 has only one more, and would opt out in the off season. He wants a new contract worth 100M plus, so that won’t be favorable to us. Wall and Westbrook have sinilar contracts with 44 and 47M for the next 2 seasons after this. Wouldn’t mind any of them for Kemba


Thanks Triple. Seems like a lot fountain of youth is going on in the league. DC bball is a really good watch. Same with Pels. Pace pace pace. Celts really play well when they push it. I read that JB was a top transition player in the league yet we had a game with ZERO transition points in the first half. That's awful.


I agree. JB, i think, is our best player in transition offense. He gets to the ring at will at times, and is not afraid of contact.


Yup he's come really far from his first season. Seems like every season he gets better at contact. Now he has to progress to landing on his feet more for his own safety and FTA!
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Re: Kemba Walker Thread: Celtics seek to Trade Walker 

Post#47 » by jfs1000d » Fri Jun 4, 2021 5:36 am

fallguy wrote:I really can't handle another year of Kemba's defense.
Really? That is it? I was frustrated by his availability. He needed so much rest to play well, kinda ridiculous.

Defense? He is a weakness but you can scheme over that if players are willing to.play D. His health is the issue. When he was healthy and had bounce he was good.


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Post#48 » by jfs1000d » Fri Jun 4, 2021 5:37 am

I love kemba. But he didn't play enough. Too much load management.

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Post#49 » by jfs1000d » Fri Jun 4, 2021 5:41 am

Lastly, can't dump melba for nothing. He is too good to just say forget it. We have to stop hemoraghing talent.

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Post#50 » by jfs1000d » Fri Jun 4, 2021 5:42 am

*kemba

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Post#51 » by return2glory » Fri Jun 4, 2021 5:57 am

Kemba is going to be rested finally and have a big season. Keep him for now. Have him increase his value. Maybe look to trade him at the deadline.

I don’t want to trade him and throw away picks. We might not be able to resign Fournier but if the Celtics draft right at 16 they will have a better player down the road at a much better price on a rookie contract.

I’m high on Chris Duarte. He is a complete player and plays both ends of the floor. Maybe Kai Jones at 16. We can’t keep wasting 1st round picks.
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Re: Kemba Walker Thread: Celtics seek to Trade Walker 

Post#52 » by Fierce1 » Fri Jun 4, 2021 6:12 am

I don't know what to expect from Brad as a front office guy.

If Brad can move Kemba this off-season then that's a win for Brad.
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Post#53 » by chrisab123 » Fri Jun 4, 2021 10:28 am

I'm expecting AMC to hit 150 today. Still more likely to happen.
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Post#54 » by Celtics_Champs » Fri Jun 4, 2021 10:44 am

Kemba for LeBron who says no
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Re: Kemba Walker Thread: Celtics seek to Trade Walker 

Post#55 » by Curmudgeon » Fri Jun 4, 2021 12:04 pm

Celtics_Champs wrote:Kemba for LeBron who says no


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Post#56 » by Gomes3PC » Fri Jun 4, 2021 12:52 pm

Honestly, the move you gotta do is call up Presti and center a deal around a Horford-Kemba swap. It probably means dealing a 1st plus a young guy like Grant or Romeo but you gotta do it.

Not only is Horford just flat-out better than Kemba at this point, he helps in a number of facets:

1. Shorter money
2. Gives us a legit center to pair with Timelord
3. Brings much needed passing/playmaking to a roster lacking ball movement
4. His time resting probably means he will look as good as he possibly can coming into next year

Then figure out a way to move Tristan for a wing or guard. He's at a reasonable enough number you can probably find some market for him on a 1-year deal.
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Post#57 » by sully00 » Fri Jun 4, 2021 1:00 pm

darylbe wrote:Who's the one that says to rest kemba 2 games a week? Screw that, then he shouldn't be making full salary.

Look, I'm a Yankees fan. Stanton was given a 325m contract by an NL team, with the expectation that he's Gunna play the field during that time. So now that he's in the AL, I'm not Gunna suddenly pussfoot around him and keep him as a DH and give him off 2 games a week for this preservation. Play the field if needed, because that's what you signed up for. If you get injured, there's insurance. If you're injured, you go on the injured list.

Im not wishing injury on a player, but screw that noise where you play half the games because the coach likes to massage your upper thigh and collect 900k a game.


The reason that both teams manage the load on Stanton or Walker isn't about babying them it is actually trying to get production out of them without having to put them on the shelf the team is on the hook for the money either way. Walker played through injuries and pain that a lot of guys would have just shut it down for the year and come back next year. This schedule was extremely compressed and added to the issue.

Walker is certainly going to be available and sounds like he was available at the draft in November. That said I am not that concerned with moving him for the sake of moving him. Boston is a better team with him on the floor than off and while he might be a #3 more than #1 now so be it. He also seems to be a good guy in the locker room and doesn't bitch and moan.

Just think of the assets burned moving Chris Paul and Russell Westbrook around only watch them get MVP votes. I would manage Walker as a neutral asset even though he is probably a negative asset right now. If somebody wants him and it leaves you in a better position sure make a deal. But not interested in taking on a worse player, or someone make more money for longer time, or adding draft picks to him just to make him go away.
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Post#58 » by BK_2020 » Fri Jun 4, 2021 1:03 pm

Ok indulge me and explain how Horford is flat-out better than Kemba. Is it his worse scoring efficiency (as a big)?
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Post#59 » by SuperDeluxe » Fri Jun 4, 2021 2:23 pm

Gomes3PC wrote:Honestly, the move you gotta do is call up Presti and center a deal around a Horford-Kemba swap. It probably means dealing a 1st plus a young guy like Grant or Romeo but you gotta do it.

Not only is Horford just flat-out better than Kemba at this point, he helps in a number of facets:

1. Shorter money
2. Gives us a legit center to pair with Timelord
3. Brings much needed passing/playmaking to a roster lacking ball movement
4. His time resting probably means he will look as good as he possibly can coming into next year

Then figure out a way to move Tristan for a wing or guard. He's at a reasonable enough number you can probably find some market for him on a 1-year deal.

I actually think this is a good idea, though I would just do a Kemba-for-Horford trade straight up. We may even be in a better negotiating position than Presti (depending on Horford's market).

Having said that, the new coach will likely have plenty of say regarding Kemba's future and s/he may not want to deal him away. Who knows.
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Re: Kemba Walker Thread: Celtics seek to Trade Walker 

Post#60 » by Bird4Three » Fri Jun 4, 2021 3:33 pm

My dream scenario is getting Dame from Portland and somehow keeping both Tatum and Brown. Don’t see how without a multi-team deal, but a man can dream big.

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