Official Celtics 2022 Off-Season Thread

[Triple7]

So I'm thinking the offensive struggles are not about passing as much as they're about shot making.

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how sick does this make me.. 18 for 65 for our 2 guards who play the most.. and together..

like a Broken record I say this coach is clueless.. play NON shooters, get bad results..

sure but what are the options?
i'd love to say nesmith but the guy can't throw a beach ball into the ocean right now.
pritchard is scrappy but he gets abused on D every time he's out there, and it's not like he's tearing it up either.

Our young guys ain’t ready, but they some minutes to develop. They tend to lose confidence fast. Josh, Marcus and Dennis are good defensively, but are damn below average shooters. Josh has some mid range game. Dennis can really attack inside. That leaves Marcus with no actual value other than his defense. So sick of Marcus really. The option would be to trade him for a dead set shooter to pair with Dennis. A big guard or wing preferrably. Those 3 together really won’t work.

[Fierce1]

The loss to the Mavs is not the issue.
It's only 1 out of 82 games and there's 72 games to go.

What I don't understand is why is the Celtic organization allowing Marcus Smart to do the stupid things that he does without any repercussions?

Udoka, Jaylen, and most recently Jayson, all said they didn't agree with Smart going to the media and telling the whole world that the Jays should pass the ball.

So why didn't Smart get any punishment?

Smart still kept his starting job and he's still getting more than 30 minutes per game.

Where's the accountability?

The stupidity of Smart is beyond borders.

It's not like the loss to the Mavs was the first time Smart made dumb plays.

This has been going on for years and the Celtic front office tolerates it.

Ever since Smart got a bigger role because of the departure of Hayward, the Celts have become a .500 team.
Last season the Celts were just a play-in team.
This season the Celts are 2 games below .500 after 10 games.

Marcus Smart doesn't have the stats and the wins to justify the special treatment being given to him.

[Curmudgeon]

Fierce 1, give it up, please. Smart made a thoughtless play at the end. Do'nt forget the steals, the floor burns, taking several charges, the tough defense on Doncic and the big trey that tied the game. We watch the Celtics too, and you have absolutely lost all credibility.

And as to the play at the end, it cost 5 seconds. Doncic would have had plenty of time to drill the game winner anyway. He's a great player.

[Larry_Russell]

we need shooting desparately.

IMO, Richardson and obviously Schroeder are the best for us trade assets.

Question is, is there any shooter out there that can fit the salary level of either or both of those 2 guys? I dont hate having Richardson off the bench as he is pretty versatile, but if I can improve shooting around the Jays I trade him.,

Knox?
Walker?
White?
Barton?
McDermott?
Ingles?

[Fierce1]

Fierce 1, give it up, please. Smart made a thoughtless play at the end. Do'nt forget the steals, the floor burns, taking several charges, the tough defense on Doncic and the big trey that tied the game. We watch the Celtics too, and you have absolutely lost all credibility.

And as to the play at the end, it cost 5 seconds. Doncic would have had plenty of time to drill the game winner anyway. He's a great player.

Steals, floor burns, and several charges?

The goal is Banner 18.

Lakers already got their 17th championship.

Celts only have 2 championships the last 35 years.

How can I lose credibility when the Celts are not winning and Smart is having horrible stats shooting the ball?

It's not like the Celts are making it to the finals and I keep complaining about Smart.

So where did I lose my credibility?

Because I want accountability for Smart?

Didn't some of the Celtic players complain about Brad giving Smart special treatment?

What I want is for the Celts to win a championship.

You really think this is hating on Marcus Smart?

The stats and the wins don't support Marcus Smart.

[Fierce1]

I strongly disagree that telling the truth is equal to losing ones credibility.

Here's proof that I'm not the only one who thinks Smart is hurting the Celts.
https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2021/11/marcus-smart-haunts-celtics-with-more-crunch-time-miscues-against-mavericks.html

This version of Smart offensively (trying to make too much happen late in games) has caused far more harm than good for the Celtics over the past few seasons as his role has grown. Sequences like this have become more the rule than the exception. And on the same week he publicly called out his star teammates for a lack of passing, he did not do himself any favors with his awareness on this critical possession.

[Curmudgeon]

Sure, he erred on that possession. But don't forget what he did in the other 47 minutes and 48 seconds. Tatum's play of getting in Smart's way and having the ball bounce off his foot was just as boneheaded.

You can find plenty of Smart haters around the web to reinforce your hatred. So?

[Fierce1]

Sure, he erred on that possession. But don't forget what he did in the other 47 minutes and 48 seconds. Tatum's play of getting in Smart's way and having the ball bounce off his foot was just as boneheaded.

You can find plenty of Smart haters around the web to reinforce your hatred. So?

I posted earlier that this Mavs loss is not a big deal.

What's a big deal to me is why is Smart allowed to do stupid things without any repercussions!

This is not about just one game, this has been going on for years!

You can disagree with me, but I also disagree that I lost credibility.

If the Celts are making it to the finals on a regular basis and I keep complaining about Smart, that's losing credibility.
But right now the numbers, stats, and the wins don't support Marcus Smart.

Again, this is not the first time, this is one of so many over the years.

Smart is in his 8th season and he still makes stupid mistakes that usually rookies and 2nd year players make.

[playa-hater]

So I'm thinking the offensive struggles are not about passing as much as they're about shot making.

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how sick does this make me.. 18 for 65 for our 2 guards who play the most.. and together..

like a Broken record I say this coach is clueless.. play NON shooters, get bad results..

sure but what are the options?
i'd love to say nesmith but the guy can't throw a beach ball into the ocean right now.
pritchard is scrappy but he gets abused on D every time he's out there, and it's not like he's tearing it up either.

Ok let's start with Nesmith, you say "he can't throw a beach ball into the ocean". well yesterday he certainly missed, but one game before he went 3-5 or 4-6.. But even more so if you take a closer look, you will find many/most of Nesmith's 3s are highly contested. Teams are respecting his shooting. meanwhile looking at Smart (mainly) Schroder and Grant you will find teams sometimes are leaving wide open and almost daring them to shoot.

I can't dissect film and play it on here, but what you will find is a lot of truth to that. Now a problem with that is the Domino affect that many are missing. Playing Nesmith with Tatum (which he barely does which alone is a poor strategy) will at the very least allow Tatum more space, possibly get him to greater rhythm and hence get the much more needed MVP caliper Tatum > the ISO force the ball up struggling Tatum.

Now I will take another angle. If you were forced to invest in a product, and one product performs below average over years and shows little sign of improvement while the other product shows more volatility and yet at times shows a lot of promise, albeit with a small sample size, isn't it clear which product should be invested in?

Clearly again, we know for a FACT that Smart, Schroder at the least will perform less than average as shooters based on large sample sizes. And in Smarts case well below average all year. while Nesmith, in the all important playoff push last season 12-15 game stretch (good sample size) shot north of 40%.

Compounding that, the 2 "bad products" at shooting in Smart and Schroder are actually playing a lot and together. that is a disaster waiting to happen. and it is happening. the stats depicting wide open misses in the post above painfully show that as fact.

With my above rant on Nesmith out of the way, it would appear to be a forgone conclusion that Nesmith needs to play much more and with Tatum preferably.

*** As for PP, I will take a pause in my take of his playing time until that dang mask comes off. and of course I still want Romeo, on those rare days he is available. all 3 young players are NOT just the future, they are the now.

Meanwhile sorry for the long post, I wanted to make clear one last time my stance on why shooting and promising shooters are the way to go.

[Ben-N1ce]

Fierce 1, give it up, please. Smart made a thoughtless play at the end. Do'nt forget the steals, the floor burns, taking several charges, the tough defense on Doncic and the big trey that tied the game. We watch the Celtics too, and you have absolutely lost all credibility.

And as to the play at the end, it cost 5 seconds. Doncic would have had plenty of time to drill the game winner anyway. He's a great player.

Marcus Smart borderline sucks. 20 Million for a freaking 9/4/4 guy shooting 30% and people try to justify it. It absolutely ridiculous The Starting PG averaging fewer points rebounds assists and shooting a lower percentage than a backup PG..while playing more minutes.

Schroder hasn't even been good offensively yet Smart is below league average in everything calling out guys making boneheaded plays

[GoGreen]

It's too bad how yesterdays game ended, because there was honestly a lot of good to take from it. Tatum looked like a real pro out there. Rob was involved and doing his thing. The defense was suffocating and the effort was top notch. Team ball all around.

Then the end happened. Oof.

I'm one of the bigger Marcus critics on here. His play ticks me off, and his attitude ticks me off even more. I can recognize his defensive skills, though, which when he's on boy it is a sight to see.

Which is why I put aside my dislike in hopes he'd take the starting PG position seriously. Team had no PG with Kemba gone, and I thought it was fair to not trade him because of that.

To say I've been disappointed with his play is an understatement. He's the same guy he's been for years. With how bad the shooting is, I wonder if letting go of Evan and not trading Smart was a mistake. But Evan ain't anything special so I won't harp on it.

I think it's just time to part ways with this guy.

[Parliament10]

It's too bad how yesterdays game ended, because there was honestly a lot of good to take from it. Tatum looked like a real pro out there. Rob was involved and doing his thing. The defense was suffocating and the effort was top notch. Team ball all around.

Then the end happened. Oof.

I'm one of the bigger Marcus critics on here. His play ticks me off, and his attitude ticks me off even more. I can recognize his defensive skills, though, which when he's on boy it is a sight to see.

Which is why I put aside my dislike in hopes he'd take the starting PG position seriously. Team had no PG with Kemba gone, and I thought it was fair to not trade him because of that.

To say I've been disappointed with his play is an understatement. He's the same guy he's been for years. With how bad the shooting is, I wonder if letting go of Evan and not trading Smart was a mistake. But Evan ain't anything special so I won't harp on it.

I think it's just time to part ways with this guy.

Brown and then Tatum, are the next two tenured Celtics, right?

[bisme37]

One reason to not publicly call out your teammates with dubious claims is it puts the microscope on you, not just your teammates. I think having a debate on Smart at this point is perfectly reasonable. And I'm kind of in the middle on it for the record.

[bisme37]

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[Half-Full]

Fierce 1, give it up, please. Smart made a thoughtless play at the end. Do'nt forget the steals, the floor burns, taking several charges, the tough defense on Doncic and the big trey that tied the game. We watch the Celtics too, and you have absolutely lost all credibility.

And as to the play at the end, it cost 5 seconds. Doncic would have had plenty of time to drill the game winner anyway. He's a great player.

The foul was a mistake. He should have been more aware, and it might have changed the outcome of the game. Still, it does not negate the good effort on defense, which we needed. As for our shooting, there is plenty of blame to go around. Our shots are not dropping, and for want of a couple of made threes, we lost the game. Pritchard hardly gets any minutes, and one can see that he is a bit reluctant to shoot (gotta get Tatum the ball). He is perhaps our best three point shooter, but he needs to be encouraged to take the shot. Nesmith hasn't been hitting his threes, but the only way to break out of a slump is to keep hoisting shots. Meanwhile, Joe Hauser started hot for Maine, hitting 6 threes in their first game. Maybe he should get a call from Ime.

[return2glory]

So I'm thinking the offensive struggles are not about passing as much as they're about shot making.

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how sick does this make me.. 18 for 65 for our 2 guards who play the most.. and together..

like a Broken record I say this coach is clueless.. play NON shooters, get bad results..

sure but what are the options?
i'd love to say nesmith but the guy can't throw a beach ball into the ocean right now.
pritchard is scrappy but he gets abused on D every time he's out there, and it's not like he's tearing it up either.

I think that mask is bothering Pritchard's shot. I don't expect much from Pritchard this year until the mask comes off and/or Schroder ends up getting traded at the deadline. Agree on Nesmith. He has struggled early but he hasn't gotten consistent minutes so far.

Sam Hauser is our best shooter. Not saying that just because of his 2 really good shooting games for the G-League team, but he has been a knock down shooter from his college days. Not sure if or when he will get a chance to play.

[reload141]

how sick does this make me.. 18 for 65 for our 2 guards who play the most.. and together..

like a Broken record I say this coach is clueless.. play NON shooters, get bad results..

sure but what are the options?
i'd love to say nesmith but the guy can't throw a beach ball into the ocean right now.
pritchard is scrappy but he gets abused on D every time he's out there, and it's not like he's tearing it up either.

Our young guys ain’t ready, but they some minutes to develop. They tend to lose confidence fast. Josh, Marcus and Dennis are good defensively, but are damn below average shooters. Josh has some mid range game. Dennis can really attack inside. That leaves Marcus with no actual value other than his defense. So sick of Marcus really. The option would be to trade him for a dead set shooter to pair with Dennis. A big guard or wing preferrably. Those 3 together really won’t work.

So what we are seeing is that the coach has put players in positions to be wide open and take wide open shots yet it's on Ime for not making them?

OK.

This forum sometimes, seriously. People have literally no idea what they are talking about.

[truth18]

HURT EM

[Ben-N1ce]

sure but what are the options?
i'd love to say nesmith but the guy can't throw a beach ball into the ocean right now.
pritchard is scrappy but he gets abused on D every time he's out there, and it's not like he's tearing it up either.

Our young guys ain’t ready, but they some minutes to develop. They tend to lose confidence fast. Josh, Marcus and Dennis are good defensively, but are damn below average shooters. Josh has some mid range game. Dennis can really attack inside. That leaves Marcus with no actual value other than his defense. So sick of Marcus really. The option would be to trade him for a dead set shooter to pair with Dennis. A big guard or wing preferrably. Those 3 together really won’t work.

So what we are seeing is that the coach has put players in positions to be wide open and take wide open shots yet it's on Ime for not making them?

OK.

This forum sometimes, seriously. People have literally no idea what they are talking about.

Sounds like when Brad coached..the common denominator is that one trash offensive player...

[Triple7]

sure but what are the options?
i'd love to say nesmith but the guy can't throw a beach ball into the ocean right now.
pritchard is scrappy but he gets abused on D every time he's out there, and it's not like he's tearing it up either.

Our young guys ain’t ready, but they some minutes to develop. They tend to lose confidence fast. Josh, Marcus and Dennis are good defensively, but are damn below average shooters. Josh has some mid range game. Dennis can really attack inside. That leaves Marcus with no actual value other than his defense. So sick of Marcus really. The option would be to trade him for a dead set shooter to pair with Dennis. A big guard or wing preferrably. Those 3 together really won’t work.

So what we are seeing is that the coach has put players in positions to be wide open and take wide open shots yet it's on Ime for not making them?

OK.

This forum sometimes, seriously. People have literally no idea what they are talking about.

It’s on Ime for sticking with non-shooters in the lineups. It’s also can be noted that teams actually leave those 3 open a lot, and daring them to shoot. So it’s not only due to Ime’s amazing offensive plays that get them open lol.