Craft your 2022-23 Celtics Roster – (20-Man Off-Season)

[hugepatsfan]

Olynyk is due $12.8M this upcoming year and then a $3M buyout next year (or $12.2M if retained). So looking at about $15.8M total commitment to him. Theis is due $8.7M this upcoming year ad $9.1M next year. Team option after that. So he's a commitment of about $17.8M.

So DET would be taking on an extra $2.0M. But they'd create an extra $4.1M of cap space this year. If that helps them chase free agents then could be some good logic. Especially if they plan on using cap space this year and then being over the cap next year, since Theis would be a functional salary to trade as opposed to dead money.

Worth pointing out that Theis alone isn't enough to salary match. We'd have to guarantee one of the benchwarmers to match salaries. But for DET they'd already have roster spot holds. Unless we want to use most of the Fournier TPE (and thus make a new Theis TPE).

Also worth pointing out that if we're a tax team, that $4.1M would have tax associated with it as well. Depending on which bracket we end up in, you could be paying a $3 tax on that, or $12.3M. So taking on that $4.1M in '22-23 might actually cost you $16.4M.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Olynyk is due $12.8M this upcoming year and then a $3M buyout next year (or $12.2M if retained). So looking at about $15.8M total commitment to him. Theis is due $8.7M this upcoming year ad $9.1M next year. Team option after that. So he's a commitment of about $17.8M.

So DET would be taking on an extra $2.0M. But they'd create an extra $4.1M of cap space this year. If that helps them chase free agents then could be some good logic. Especially if they plan on using cap space this year and then being over the cap next year, since Theis would be a functional salary to trade as opposed to dead money.

Worth pointing out that Theis alone isn't enough to salary match. We'd have to guarantee one of the benchwarmers to match salaries. But for DET they'd already have roster spot holds. Unless we want to use most of the Fournier TPE (and thus make a new Theis TPE).

Also worth pointing out that if we're a tax team, that $4.1M would have tax associated with it as well. Depending on which bracket we end up in, you could be paying a $3 tax on that, or $12.3M. So taking on that $4.1M in '22-23 might actually cost you $16.4M.

Can't imagine DET taking back Theis, unless Pritchard and possibly more is attached. Most likely scenario is Olynyk into the TPE.

[hugepatsfan]

Olynyk is due $12.8M this upcoming year and then a $3M buyout next year (or $12.2M if retained). So looking at about $15.8M total commitment to him. Theis is due $8.7M this upcoming year ad $9.1M next year. Team option after that. So he's a commitment of about $17.8M.

So DET would be taking on an extra $2.0M. But they'd create an extra $4.1M of cap space this year. If that helps them chase free agents then could be some good logic. Especially if they plan on using cap space this year and then being over the cap next year, since Theis would be a functional salary to trade as opposed to dead money.

Worth pointing out that Theis alone isn't enough to salary match. We'd have to guarantee one of the benchwarmers to match salaries. But for DET they'd already have roster spot holds. Unless we want to use most of the Fournier TPE (and thus make a new Theis TPE).

Also worth pointing out that if we're a tax team, that $4.1M would have tax associated with it as well. Depending on which bracket we end up in, you could be paying a $3 tax on that, or $12.3M. So taking on that $4.1M in '22-23 might actually cost you $16.4M.

Can't imagine DET taking back Theis, unless Pritchard and possibly more is attached. Most likely scenario is Olynyk into the TPE.

That just seems like a non starter on our end unless Theis is going out in another deal. We'd be paying $20M in salary to those two plus luxury tax. You'd be talking about like a $60-80M financial commitment for your 4th and 5th bigs. And you can say one is better than the other but neither should be on the court for the playoffs in an ideal world.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Olynyk is due $12.8M this upcoming year and then a $3M buyout next year (or $12.2M if retained). So looking at about $15.8M total commitment to him. Theis is due $8.7M this upcoming year ad $9.1M next year. Team option after that. So he's a commitment of about $17.8M.

So DET would be taking on an extra $2.0M. But they'd create an extra $4.1M of cap space this year. If that helps them chase free agents then could be some good logic. Especially if they plan on using cap space this year and then being over the cap next year, since Theis would be a functional salary to trade as opposed to dead money.

Worth pointing out that Theis alone isn't enough to salary match. We'd have to guarantee one of the benchwarmers to match salaries. But for DET they'd already have roster spot holds. Unless we want to use most of the Fournier TPE (and thus make a new Theis TPE).

Also worth pointing out that if we're a tax team, that $4.1M would have tax associated with it as well. Depending on which bracket we end up in, you could be paying a $3 tax on that, or $12.3M. So taking on that $4.1M in '22-23 might actually cost you $16.4M.

Can't imagine DET taking back Theis, unless Pritchard and possibly more is attached. Most likely scenario is Olynyk into the TPE.

That just seems like a non starter on our end unless Theis is going out in another deal. We'd be paying $20M in salary to those two plus luxury tax. You'd be talking about like a $60-80M financial commitment for your 4th and 5th bigs. And you can say one is better than the other but neither should be on the court for the playoffs in an ideal world.

Olynyk is playoff playable.

Given Rob's lack of durability, Horford's age, and Theis being ineffective against elite teams, they need to add size in the offseason. Ideally, they can move Theis in the process.

[BK_2020]

Olynik is just Theis with better shooting and worse defense. Maybe you can argue that he fits our team better, although I would disagree, but I don't see the point of going through a lot of trouble to add him to be our 4th big.

[BK_2020]

Olynyk is playoff playable.

Maybe but he did rack up 3 DNP-CD the last year he was in the playoffs, and it would've been 4 DNP-CD if he didn't get 3 minutes in garbage time.

[hugepatsfan]

There's nothing more disheartening then when your bigs can't hang. It's just demoralizing. But IDK what people expect from our 4th big. Feels like half the teams in the playoffs have to scrap the center positon altogether and just play small. It's obviously frustrating to see Theis be overmatched vs someone like Bam or Embiid or Giannis but again, he's our 4th big. I don't see how we're going to materially upgrade over him without investing resources that just aren't practical to invest in a 4th big. I get that Rob is injury prone, but even if we had to play with Horford or Grant at the 5 all day and go small with Tatum at PF we'd still be the biggest team left in the playoffs. I think in general this board has some unrealistic expectations for bench players. I feel like everyone wants athletic freaks who are tall/long for their position, great defenders, and can shoot.

It's the same thing with other positions. We're extremely blessed to have guards like Smart and White who can switch onto wings. You can't take that for granted. When we talk about adding bench depth, you're not going to be able to find guys who add offensive punch that can also guard like that. Those guys don't sign for tax payers MLE, vet min or get given away into TPEs with no premium asset going back. Those are what we're shopping with this offseason, barring changes to the top half of the rotation.

When you're talking about the back half of the roster (8th man and down), it's ok to have a 6'1" point guard, it's ok to have a 6'8" center, it's ok to have a weak defender, it's ok to have a guy who can't shoot. It's not realistic to expect that guys we add in that range are going to have it all.

[165bows]

There's nothing more disheartening then when your bigs can't hang. It's just demoralizing. But IDK what people expect from our 4th big. Feels like half the teams in the playoffs have to scrap the center positon altogether and just play small. It's obviously frustrating to see Theis be overmatched vs someone like Bam or Embiid or Giannis but again, he's our 4th big. I don't see how we're going to materially upgrade over him without investing resources that just aren't practical to invest in a 4th big. I get that Rob is injury prone, but even if we had to play with Horford or Grant at the 5 all day and go small with Tatum at PF we'd still be the biggest team left in the playoffs. I think in general this board has some unrealistic expectations for bench players. I feel like everyone wants athletic freaks who are tall/long for their position, great defenders, and can shoot.

It's the same thing with other positions. We're extremely blessed to have guards like Smart and White who can switch onto wings. You can't take that for granted. When we talk about adding bench depth, you're not going to be able to find guys who add offensive punch that can also guard like that. Those guys don't sign for tax payers MLE, vet min or get given away into TPEs with no premium asset going back. Those are what we're shopping with this offseason, barring changes to the top half of the rotation.

When you're talking about the back half of the roster (8th man and down), it's ok to have a 6'1" point guard, it's ok to have a 6'8" center, it's ok to have a weak defender, it's ok to have a guy who can't shoot. It's not realistic to expect that guys we add in that range are going to have it all.

Warming up to Dieng as the 3rd center. Seemed like he did pretty well with the Spurs motion-oriented system, and can be a decent-sized pure center when they need to dust one off, while still doing a bit of passing and shooting. Maybe he's cooked at this point but 17/9/3 per 36 while hitting 40% from three over his last 140 attempts seems look a solid bench guy to look at.

[Fencer reregistered]

White, Theis, Nesmith, and 2-3 first round picks for the best player available.

This is priority #1 that Stevens should be working on this summer.

So the exact opposite of Brad's strategy to date?

[Fencer reregistered]

Olynik is just Theis with better shooting and worse defense. Maybe you can argue that he fits our team better, although I would disagree, but I don't see the point of going through a lot of trouble to add him to be our 4th big.

I agree with your bottom line.

But has Theis really caught Olynyk as a passer? As a driver to the hoop? Has Olynyk caught Theis as short-range shooter/finisher?

I haven't seen enough of Olynyk to know either way.

[BillessuR6]

Theis at 9 mio per year is definitely too much since he is practically unplayable in the playoffs. If we can find a taker for him I think we can get a 4th big cheaper than that...

[LewisnotMiller]

Most likely scenario is that they bring back the 9 man playoff rotation of Smart/Brown/Tatum/Horford/RWIlliams as starters and GWilliams/White/Theis/Pritchard off the bench.

I think they'll make the following trade for the 10th player (Nesmith's salary helps offset the big luxury tax bill we'll be in for if we keep everyone and use the TPE):

BOS gives: Nesmith, maybe some future picks
BOS gets: someone into the TPE

I don't expect anyone spectacular, but someone who can probably be part of an 8 man playoff rotation. Alec Burks, Davonte' Graham, Kevin Huerter, Josh Richardson, Will Barton are all guys I like at various price points in terms of what pick, if any we'd need to attach.

They seem to like Hauser for a spot so he's #11.

Then the last 4 spots go to some combination of vet min players, the non guaranteed guys we have, and maybe one of the overseas stashes.

Pretty much this. If we make the Finals...or win it...keeping Horf seems even more likely.
Nesmith is moveable if a small deal makes sense, or for cap reasons.

I'd favour bringing in some overseas flyers in the preseason (including our own overseas stashes).

I'd differ slightly on who to bring in with that unspectacular smaller deal...although I like Richardson in some ways...but totally agree with the overall strategy.

[LewisnotMiller]

Theis at 9 mio per year is definitely too much since he is practically unplayable in the playoffs. If we can find a taker for him I think we can get a 4th big cheaper than that...

He's good enough that I wouldn't be tossing in assets to get rid of him. Which I think means we are keeping him.

[TatumMVP]

Can we somehow steal Haliburton and Jalen Smith from Indiana, i know they give much for Hali, but man He is ideal man for this team, his playmaking us outstanding, good 3 pt shoter and realy good defender.
We can play Tatum on 4.

Smith is also very good rim protector, he can shoot 3, rebound, nice fit for this team too.

Add some vet like Lance, he can shoot and guard, add one more Champ veteran to this team.

Smart Hali Brown Tatum Rob
PP Lance S. Grant J.Smith Al

Larry please trade Hali to us.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Can we somehow steal Haliburton and Jalen Smith from Indiana, i know they give much for Hali, but man He is ideal man for this team, his playmaking us outstanding, good 3 pt shoter and realy good defender.
We can play Tatum on 4.

Smith is also very good rim protector, he can shoot 3, rebound, nice fit for this team too.

Add some vet like Lance, he can shoot and guard, add one more Champ veteran to this team.

Smart Hali Brown Tatum Rob
PP Lance S. Grant J.Smith Al

Larry please trade Hali to us.

I believe Jalen Smith's a UFA. Therefore, he'll likely go somewhere with ample playing time, which isn't Boston.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Olynik is just Theis with better shooting and worse defense. Maybe you can argue that he fits our team better, although I would disagree, but I don't see the point of going through a lot of trouble to add him to be our 4th big.

I agree with your bottom line.

But has Theis really caught Olynyk as a passer? As a driver to the hoop? Has Olynyk caught Theis as short-range shooter/finisher?

I haven't seen enough of Olynyk to know either way.

Olynyk's 15-20% better than Theis. He does more on the offensive.

Theis is fine against 75% of the league and gives Ime the ability to rest Rob and Al. However, he's pretty ineffective against elite teams, and essentially an expensive 9th or 10th man.

[TatumMVP]

Can we somehow steal Haliburton and Jalen Smith from Indiana, i know they give much for Hali, but man He is ideal man for this team, his playmaking us outstanding, good 3 pt shoter and realy good defender.
We can play Tatum on 4.

Smith is also very good rim protector, he can shoot 3, rebound, nice fit for this team too.

Add some vet like Lance, he can shoot and guard, add one more Champ veteran to this team.

Smart Hali Brown Tatum Rob
PP Lance S. Grant J.Smith Al

Larry please trade Hali to us.

I believe Jalen Smith's a UFA. Therefore, he'll likely go somewhere with ample playing time, which isn't Boston.

Yes he iz UFA i belive we can get him.

[neno]

So celtics Don't have full mle right? What do we have?
Since we're title contenders a ring chaser for vet min is in play LaMarcus Aldridge would be a good back up 4/5

[CelticFaninLBC]

So celtics Don't have full mle right? What do we have?
Since we're title contenders a ring chaser for vet min is in play LaMarcus Aldridge would be a good back up 4/5

According to Sportrac, they have a $6.3m MLE, which should net them someone better than Aldridge.

Am not sure how accurate Sportrac is though.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/cap/?ref=trending-pages

[Dannyboy36]

I’d just run with Theis. He’s good insurance. It’s not my money. I can’t even guess if we’re moving Horford. That would take a lot of thinking and my guess would be ridiculous I’m sure.
So if he’s here I think everyone’s idea of SloMo is a good one. Gary Harris is my dream addition but I don’t think it’s realistic. I think a good very small move could be adding Justin Holiday .