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Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 6, 2023-24

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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 6, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30) 

Post#41 » by 165bows » Thu Jun 29, 2023 11:30 pm

Hal14 wrote:After watching that basketball breakdown vid, here's what I'm thinking:

-Going from Smart to KP is a BIG upgrade for this team
-Tatum at the 4 and Brown at the 3 is good.
-Add 1 more guy with the TPMLE who can play the 2 or the 3, is smaller than JB (so more mins with JB at the 3 and Tatum at the 4) but can also play in the back court if Brogdon is hurt. But also has decent size (6'5" or taller) and can handle the ball a little bit, defend, shoot but also create his own shot.

Who is that guy?

Josh Richardson. Sign him to TPMLE. He already has familiarity with our system, our guys. He enjoyed his time here and everyone in the organization speaks fondly of him.

Run it back with the rest of the team. Resign Grant. Keep Brogdon. Keep Pritchard. Let Pritchard know he won't get a ton of mins but he will get some mins here and there. Tell Pritchard that he'll contribute a little bit here and there, he'll win a championship and then next summer he can go sign with whoever he wants.

Try to play KP at the 5 as much as possible (with tatum at the 4).

We still have Rob and Al who can play the 5.

Sometimes here and there we can play rob or Al alongside KP (or rob and al together a little bit too).

Going with less double big, more Tatum at the 4 means we won't really have much of a need for a 4th big. Just run it back with Kornet and Griffin. Keep the 2 of them on for emergency depth bigs. And keep them on for the vibes :) They both offer different things, too. Griffin is smaller but is the energy/toughness/hustle guy. Kornet is bigger, can block shots and catch lobs. So they offer different things, add depth and good for vibes.

Keep Grant. Keep his role SIMPLE. Hit corner 3's, space the floor, don't try to do too much, keep the ball moving on offense. Bring toughness and defensive versatility.

Keep Hauser. Give him a shot to earn some mins as an 8th/9th man to space the floor, hit shots, hold his own on on defense.

Walsh and Davison. We won't need them much, probably just garbage time. But both should be ready if we're REALLY in a pinch to contribute a little bit - especially if it's later in the season - they'll be more ready at that point.

Tatum
Brown
KP
White at PG
Either rob or al as the 5th starter
Keep Brogdon as 6th man since he's injury prone and not great defensively. But definitely give him some good mins as 6th man
7th man is rob or al, which ever one doesn't start
8th man J-Rich
9th man Grant
10th Man Hauser
11th man Pritchard
12th/13 = Kornet/Griffin
14th/15th = Walsh/Davison

Championship.

This is the video I'm referring to, in case you haven't seen it.



Yes, we would probably go over 2nd apron with this roster (hopefully Grant signs team friendly deal) but:
a) it looks like the penalties for doing so aren't *that* bad. It's not stopping the suns..
b) Brad said today that he's been given the green light to spend in order to build a winner

Essentially, we've simply taken last season's roster, flipped Smart for Porzingis (big upgrade), turned Champagnie into J-Rich (big upgrade) and then taken Muscala and Gallo (Gallo didn't play a single game for us, Muscala barely played for us) and turned them into JD and Walsh. Your 14/15th guys are pretty much never gonna play anyways - but now we have 2 guys in those spots whoa re very young and show a ton of potential to contribute down the road (and perhaps a little bit this season) but will likely get most of their mins in Maine

Small ball is for offense, double big is for defense imo. I liked that video, thought it was useful - kind of like watching the back half of an old DX video or the new box and one vids. Where you just see all the bad plays and it looks awful.

Obviously smart made a bunch of great passes but on the whole seems like it made the ball stick too much, play too slow, and wasn’t effective enough on offense. I knew White’s +/- was better but a few of the details from earlier were a pretty stark contrast.

I think there’s a shot the offense plays much faster and better, and being able to go big regularly without killing the offense with low volume scoring bigs will mitigate the loss there.

Long story short I think the starting five is going to be really really good on this team just need a few tweaks on the bench.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 6, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30) 

Post#42 » by Smart2Nesmith43 » Thu Jun 29, 2023 11:33 pm

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This makes no sense to me. If you blow past the second apron to get Beal then surely you are ready willing to spend to keep the few NBA players you have on the roster. Not saying that Bazley is great or anything but he's probably better than the 6th vet min guy they'll have to sign to fill out the roster. They are so far over the cap I don't even understand what's the downside of offering the qualifying offer, you can always pull it later if something better materializes.

Also I wonder what Philly is going to get back for Harden. They'll probably go into the season with Embiid and Maxey as their two highest usage guys and that's very limited in terms of playmaking.

They can get Bazley-level player for the vet min. No reason to pay $20 mil for a replacement level guy.

Sure they can but I don't think that they should. With the inability to sign buyouts and aggregate salaries in trade I would have thought the flexibility of having a salary slot between the vet min and Ayton/Beal/Booker/Durant would have been worth more than a roster spot.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 6, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30) 

Post#43 » by shackles10 » Thu Jun 29, 2023 11:39 pm

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Kalela wrote:Do people still want Harden for JB? I thought Harden was really good for the Sixers against the Celtics when Embiid was not playing.


Harden's game is built to lose. He is one of those guys.

Harden is the ultimate loser. Anyone suggesting Harden to Boston should get a 15 minute timeout


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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 6, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30) 

Post#44 » by BK_2020 » Thu Jun 29, 2023 11:39 pm

Smart2Nesmith43 wrote:
BK_2020 wrote:
Smart2Nesmith43 wrote:This makes no sense to me. If you blow past the second apron to get Beal then surely you are ready willing to spend to keep the few NBA players you have on the roster. Not saying that Bazley is great or anything but he's probably better than the 6th vet min guy they'll have to sign to fill out the roster. They are so far over the cap I don't even understand what's the downside of offering the qualifying offer, you can always pull it later if something better materializes.

Also I wonder what Philly is going to get back for Harden. They'll probably go into the season with Embiid and Maxey as their two highest usage guys and that's very limited in terms of playmaking.

They can get Bazley-level player for the vet min. No reason to pay $20 mil for a replacement level guy.

Sure they can but I don't think that they should. With the inability to sign buyouts and aggregate salaries in trade I would have thought the flexibility of having a salary slot between the vet min and Ayton/Beal/Booker/Durant would have been worth more than a roster spot.

I think salary slot is really overrated by people. They are not going to trade for someone really good making $6 mil. a year. It's not worth paying $20 mil. for.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 6, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30) 

Post#45 » by ryan in Maine » Thu Jun 29, 2023 11:42 pm

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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 6, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30) 

Post#46 » by djFan71 » Thu Jun 29, 2023 11:44 pm

Smart2Nesmith43 wrote:
BK_2020 wrote:
Smart2Nesmith43 wrote:This makes no sense to me. If you blow past the second apron to get Beal then surely you are ready willing to spend to keep the few NBA players you have on the roster. Not saying that Bazley is great or anything but he's probably better than the 6th vet min guy they'll have to sign to fill out the roster. They are so far over the cap I don't even understand what's the downside of offering the qualifying offer, you can always pull it later if something better materializes.

Also I wonder what Philly is going to get back for Harden. They'll probably go into the season with Embiid and Maxey as their two highest usage guys and that's very limited in terms of playmaking.

They can get Bazley-level player for the vet min. No reason to pay $20 mil for a replacement level guy.

Sure they can but I don't think that they should. With the inability to sign buyouts and aggregate salaries in trade I would have thought the flexibility of having a salary slot between the vet min and Ayton/Beal/Booker/Durant would have been worth more than a roster spot.

They're only on page 22 of the CBA. Give 'em a few weeks to catch up.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 6, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30) 

Post#47 » by Celtics_Champs » Thu Jun 29, 2023 11:47 pm

Everyone wants to go west. They’re so afraid of Tatum.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 6, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30) 

Post#48 » by Celts17Pride » Thu Jun 29, 2023 11:49 pm

After Harden is moved to anywhere but Boston, Brogdon to Philly for what?

By the way, Harden leaving Philly for anything is a huge plus for the Sixers.

James Harden has been playing the NBA for fools and he just laughs all the way to the bank. I mean good for him
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 6, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30) 

Post#49 » by gdagod10 » Thu Jun 29, 2023 11:52 pm

Last details droppingdimes tweeted was KAT to Phoenix or Dallas. He's been right on everything so far. Let's see what happens.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 6, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30) 

Post#50 » by playa-hater » Fri Jun 30, 2023 12:01 am

gdagod10 wrote:Last details droppingdimes tweeted was KAT to Phoenix or Dallas. He's been right on everything so far. Let's see what happens.


Okay I will bite. How does Dallas or PHX even have the assets or cap soace to make that move..
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 6, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30) 

Post#51 » by gdagod10 » Fri Jun 30, 2023 12:06 am

playa-hater wrote:
gdagod10 wrote:Last details droppingdimes tweeted was KAT to Phoenix or Dallas. He's been right on everything so far. Let's see what happens.


Okay I will bite. How does Dallas or PHX even have the assets or cap soace to make that move..


Zero idea, but this guy has pretty much nailed everything from today all the way back to May. He also said he used to work for a big NBA agency.

Looks like his account is now deactivated so that's a bummer.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 6, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30) 

Post#52 » by Andrew McCeltic » Fri Jun 30, 2023 12:08 am

gdagod10 wrote:
playa-hater wrote:
gdagod10 wrote:Last details droppingdimes tweeted was KAT to Phoenix or Dallas. He's been right on everything so far. Let's see what happens.


Okay I will bite. How does Dallas or PHX even have the assets or cap soace to make that move..


Zero idea, but this guy has pretty much nailed everything from today all the way back to May. He also said he used to work for a big NBA agency.

Looks like his account is now deactivated so that's a bummer.


Dallas would be shocking, KAT's value would have to be lower than anyone thought. Gobert is obviously attainable for them. He sucked in MIN, but he's a cheat code to have a good defense when you don't have many good defenders.

Phoenix has Ayton, he could go a long way to get value to MIN if you find the right facilitator.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 6, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30) 

Post#53 » by Ed Pinkney » Fri Jun 30, 2023 12:08 am

Brown for Embiid?


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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 6, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30) 

Post#54 » by GotDaSauce » Fri Jun 30, 2023 12:09 am

gdagod10 wrote:Last details droppingdimes tweeted was KAT to Phoenix or Dallas. He's been right on everything so far. Let's see what happens.

Who is this? Twitter or forum member?
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 6, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30) 

Post#55 » by BK_2020 » Fri Jun 30, 2023 12:14 am

Harrison Barnes signed for a deal that Grant Williams wanted.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 6, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30) 

Post#56 » by Celts17Pride » Fri Jun 30, 2023 12:14 am

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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 6, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30) 

Post#57 » by GoCeltics123 » Fri Jun 30, 2023 12:16 am

gdagod10 wrote:
playa-hater wrote:
gdagod10 wrote:Last details droppingdimes tweeted was KAT to Phoenix or Dallas. He's been right on everything so far. Let's see what happens.


Okay I will bite. How does Dallas or PHX even have the assets or cap soace to make that move..


Zero idea, but this guy has pretty much nailed everything from today all the way back to May. He also said he used to work for a big NBA agency.

Looks like his account is now deactivated so that's a bummer.

Read on Twitter


His account is back up and he said we're still trying to move Brogdon
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 6, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30) 

Post#58 » by Andrew McCeltic » Fri Jun 30, 2023 12:17 am

3/18.. is that all the Kings' cap space?
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 6, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30) 

Post#59 » by zoyathedestroya » Fri Jun 30, 2023 12:17 am

Great deal for the Kings. JB should do the same lol. Do it for the team.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 6, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30) 

Post#60 » by Hal14 » Fri Jun 30, 2023 12:17 am

165bows wrote:
Hal14 wrote:After watching that basketball breakdown vid, here's what I'm thinking:

-Going from Smart to KP is a BIG upgrade for this team
-Tatum at the 4 and Brown at the 3 is good.
-Add 1 more guy with the TPMLE who can play the 2 or the 3, is smaller than JB (so more mins with JB at the 3 and Tatum at the 4) but can also play in the back court if Brogdon is hurt. But also has decent size (6'5" or taller) and can handle the ball a little bit, defend, shoot but also create his own shot.

Who is that guy?

Josh Richardson. Sign him to TPMLE. He already has familiarity with our system, our guys. He enjoyed his time here and everyone in the organization speaks fondly of him.

Run it back with the rest of the team. Resign Grant. Keep Brogdon. Keep Pritchard. Let Pritchard know he won't get a ton of mins but he will get some mins here and there. Tell Pritchard that he'll contribute a little bit here and there, he'll win a championship and then next summer he can go sign with whoever he wants.

Try to play KP at the 5 as much as possible (with tatum at the 4).

We still have Rob and Al who can play the 5.

Sometimes here and there we can play rob or Al alongside KP (or rob and al together a little bit too).

Going with less double big, more Tatum at the 4 means we won't really have much of a need for a 4th big. Just run it back with Kornet and Griffin. Keep the 2 of them on for emergency depth bigs. And keep them on for the vibes :) They both offer different things, too. Griffin is smaller but is the energy/toughness/hustle guy. Kornet is bigger, can block shots and catch lobs. So they offer different things, add depth and good for vibes.

Keep Grant. Keep his role SIMPLE. Hit corner 3's, space the floor, don't try to do too much, keep the ball moving on offense. Bring toughness and defensive versatility.

Keep Hauser. Give him a shot to earn some mins as an 8th/9th man to space the floor, hit shots, hold his own on on defense.

Walsh and Davison. We won't need them much, probably just garbage time. But both should be ready if we're REALLY in a pinch to contribute a little bit - especially if it's later in the season - they'll be more ready at that point.

Tatum
Brown
KP
White at PG
Either rob or al as the 5th starter
Keep Brogdon as 6th man since he's injury prone and not great defensively. But definitely give him some good mins as 6th man
7th man is rob or al, which ever one doesn't start
8th man J-Rich
9th man Grant
10th Man Hauser
11th man Pritchard
12th/13 = Kornet/Griffin
14th/15th = Walsh/Davison

Championship.

This is the video I'm referring to, in case you haven't seen it.



Yes, we would probably go over 2nd apron with this roster (hopefully Grant signs team friendly deal) but:
a) it looks like the penalties for doing so aren't *that* bad. It's not stopping the suns..
b) Brad said today that he's been given the green light to spend in order to build a winner

Essentially, we've simply taken last season's roster, flipped Smart for Porzingis (big upgrade), turned Champagnie into J-Rich (big upgrade) and then taken Muscala and Gallo (Gallo didn't play a single game for us, Muscala barely played for us) and turned them into JD and Walsh. Your 14/15th guys are pretty much never gonna play anyways - but now we have 2 guys in those spots whoa re very young and show a ton of potential to contribute down the road (and perhaps a little bit this season) but will likely get most of their mins in Maine

Small ball is for offense, double big is for defense imo.

Perhaps. But why not use both? Nowhere in my post did I say we should never use double bigs. I actually said we should start double bigs.

But I also said we should use single big lineups too - especially with KP at the 5 and Tatum at the 4.

The roster I laid out has lots of talent and flexibility to go big or go small.

I'm suggesting that we sometimes go double big, but also suggesting that single big can also be very effective so we should use that as well.

We can adjust the lineup, depending on matchups, who are we facing, which guys are playing well, which of our guys are injured, who's playing well with who, etc.
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