Zinger and Jrue look AMAZING out there. We are legit.

[SuperDeluxe]

It wasn't rocket science.

Getting rid of Smart ass addition by subtraction.

Replacing him with a guy who could actually score?

C'mon now.

Thats a bold take, one i completely disagree with. If the Celtics lost Smart for nothing, the Celtics would not be better off.
Smart is scoring 17ppg on 53%fg, 40% 3pfg. Hes also at 3 steals through his first 4 games in Memphis. Will it continue..Of course not, but hes not a negative player overall.
Im glad to have Jrue and Porzingis on this team even at the expense of Smart, Williams, and Brogdon, but addition by subtraction doesnt apply to any of the guys we lost.

And the Grizzlies are 0-4. This has always been the fatal flaw with people evaluating Marcus’ game. He is just not a winning player. I’m sorry but he isn’t. Is he a dog? Yes. That’s valuable. But he makes too many boneheaded plays and mistakes in critical parts of the game. Always has always will. If we have Holiday instead of Smart last year we are in tne Finals and give Denver all they can handle.

The Grizzlies are 0-4 because they're missing 5 rotation players including their mega-star. Take 5 rotation players away from any team and you'll get the same result.

[The Corey's]

Thats a bold take, one i completely disagree with. If the Celtics lost Smart for nothing, the Celtics would not be better off.
Smart is scoring 17ppg on 53%fg, 40% 3pfg. Hes also at 3 steals through his first 4 games in Memphis. Will it continue..Of course not, but hes not a negative player overall.
Im glad to have Jrue and Porzingis on this team even at the expense of Smart, Williams, and Brogdon, but addition by subtraction doesnt apply to any of the guys we lost.

And the Grizzlies are 0-4. This has always been the fatal flaw with people evaluating Marcus’ game. He is just not a winning player. I’m sorry but he isn’t. Is he a dog? Yes. That’s valuable. But he makes too many boneheaded plays and mistakes in critical parts of the game. Always has always will. If we have Holiday instead of Smart last year we are in tne Finals and give Denver all they can handle.

The Grizzlies are 0-4 because they're missing 5 rotation players including their mega-star. Take 5 rotation players away from any team and you'll get the same result.

If Smart is half the player half this board says he is he would of squeaked out a dub.

Smart was the problem.

It's so liberating seeing a team unleash their offensive potential without a sub 30% 3 point shooter jack up 15 shots a night.

[ConstableGeneva]

Thats a bold take, one i completely disagree with. If the Celtics lost Smart for nothing, the Celtics would not be better off.
Smart is scoring 17ppg on 53%fg, 40% 3pfg. Hes also at 3 steals through his first 4 games in Memphis. Will it continue..Of course not, but hes not a negative player overall.
Im glad to have Jrue and Porzingis on this team even at the expense of Smart, Williams, and Brogdon, but addition by subtraction doesnt apply to any of the guys we lost.

And the Grizzlies are 0-4. This has always been the fatal flaw with people evaluating Marcus’ game. He is just not a winning player. I’m sorry but he isn’t. Is he a dog? Yes. That’s valuable. But he makes too many boneheaded plays and mistakes in critical parts of the game. Always has always will. If we have Holiday instead of Smart last year we are in tne Finals and give Denver all they can handle.

The Grizzlies are 0-4 because they're missing 5 rotation players including their mega-star. Take 5 rotation players away from any team and you'll get the same result.

Marcus Smart is one Bam Adebayo teammate away from being Jimmy Butler, whose Heat are 1-4.

[SuperDeluxe]

And the Grizzlies are 0-4. This has always been the fatal flaw with people evaluating Marcus’ game. He is just not a winning player. I’m sorry but he isn’t. Is he a dog? Yes. That’s valuable. But he makes too many boneheaded plays and mistakes in critical parts of the game. Always has always will. If we have Holiday instead of Smart last year we are in tne Finals and give Denver all they can handle.

The Grizzlies are 0-4 because they're missing 5 rotation players including their mega-star. Take 5 rotation players away from any team and you'll get the same result.

If Smart is half the player half this board says he is he would of squeaked out a dub.

Smart was the problem.

It's so liberating seeing a team unleash their offensive potential without a sub 30% 3 point shooter jack up 15 shots a night.

I'd rather have Holiday than Smart, but this team would be 4-0 with Smart instead of Holiday too. Some people would still have found something to complain about him.

[Fierce1]

The biggest difference going from Smart to Holiday is opposing teams can no longer play 4 vs. 5 against the Celtics.

Opposing teams intentionally left Smart open to shoot the 3.

Now the spacing is so great because opposing teams cannot leave any of the Celtic starters open.

[The Corey's]

The Grizzlies are 0-4 because they're missing 5 rotation players including their mega-star. Take 5 rotation players away from any team and you'll get the same result.

If Smart is half the player half this board says he is he would of squeaked out a dub.

Smart was the problem.

It's so liberating seeing a team unleash their offensive potential without a sub 30% 3 point shooter jack up 15 shots a night.

I'd rather have Holiday than Smart, but this team would be 4-0 with Smart instead of Holiday too. Some people would still have found something to complain about him.

How are you going to go undefeated when KP is the reason you won game one in the first place which you don't have if Smart is still here?

Smart was the problem. And if Brown doesn't learn how to dribble especially to his left, he's going to be the problem in the playoffs.

[SuperDeluxe]

If Smart is half the player half this board says he is he would of squeaked out a dub.

Smart was the problem.

It's so liberating seeing a team unleash their offensive potential without a sub 30% 3 point shooter jack up 15 shots a night.

I'd rather have Holiday than Smart, but this team would be 4-0 with Smart instead of Holiday too. Some people would still have found something to complain about him.

How are you going to go undefeated when KP is the reason you won game one in the first place which you don't have if Smart is still here?

Smart was the problem. And if Brown doesn't learn how to dribble especially to his left, he's going to be the problem in the playoffs.

My post is just hypothetical. For the sake of the exercise, swap Holiday for Smart; the Celtics would still be 4-0 and the Grizzlies 0-4.

[The Corey's]

I'd rather have Holiday than Smart, but this team would be 4-0 with Smart instead of Holiday too. Some people would still have found something to complain about him.

How are you going to go undefeated when KP is the reason you won game one in the first place which you don't have if Smart is still here?

Smart was the problem. And if Brown doesn't learn how to dribble especially to his left, he's going to be the problem in the playoffs.

My post is just hypothetical. For the sake of the exercise, swap Holiday for Smart; the Celtics would still be 4-0 and the Grizzlies 0-4.

Your hypothetical has nothing to do with my original point.

Your point isn't one I was arguing against in the first place.

Celtics got better without Smart. That's my point. I think the results speak for them self.

[SuperDeluxe]

How are you going to go undefeated when KP is the reason you won game one in the first place which you don't have if Smart is still here?

Smart was the problem. And if Brown doesn't learn how to dribble especially to his left, he's going to be the problem in the playoffs.

My post is just hypothetical. For the sake of the exercise, swap Holiday for Smart; the Celtics would still be 4-0 and the Grizzlies 0-4.

Your hypothetical has nothing to do with my original point.

Your point isn't one I was arguing against in the first place.

Celtics got better without Smart. That's my point. I think the results speak for them self.

My post was regarding your "Smart was the problem" comment. He was not. He'd be killing it on this team.

[Fierce1]

My post is just hypothetical. For the sake of the exercise, swap Holiday for Smart; the Celtics would still be 4-0 and the Grizzlies 0-4.

Your hypothetical has nothing to do with my original point.

Your point isn't one I was arguing against in the first place.

Celtics got better without Smart. That's my point. I think the results speak for them self.

My post was regarding your "Smart was the problem" comment. He was not. He'd be killing it on this team.

Not so sure he'd be killing it on this team.

Opposing teams will intentionally leave him open to shoot 3s and it will be like playing 4 vs. 5.

Reason why spacing of the Cs is so great this season is because you can't leave any of the players open because everybody is a threat to make shots.

[reload141]

I'm just more pleased the Zinger nickname is showing up in several places now...

Anyone else been eating zinger burgers more now since he joined?

[The Corey's]

My post is just hypothetical. For the sake of the exercise, swap Holiday for Smart; the Celtics would still be 4-0 and the Grizzlies 0-4.

Your hypothetical has nothing to do with my original point.

Your point isn't one I was arguing against in the first place.

Celtics got better without Smart. That's my point. I think the results speak for them self.

My post was regarding your "Smart was the problem" comment. He was not. He'd be killing it on this team.

Smart was absolutely the problem.. the only thing he'd be doing on this team is taking bull, illtimed shots with below avg results all the while telling the media this is his and the Jays team.

The offense never looked this great with him here. Glad he's gone.

[Triple7]

Getting rid of Smart ass addition by subtraction.

Historical footage of The Corey's working on math.



That's such a bad take, it was a good trade that balanced the roster and added talent that became a great trade when Jrue later became available. If the Jrue trade didn't happen it still would have been an upgrade in overall talent but our back court would be defensively thin which would have put a ton more pressure on KP when Derrick was off the floor.

In a vacuum losing Marcus didn't make us better though.

Lol. Smart is the one holding this team down, with his poor shooting and decision making. Teams defend the Jays differently with smart playing with them. Good riddance!

[Triple7]

Your hypothetical has nothing to do with my original point.

Your point isn't one I was arguing against in the first place.

Celtics got better without Smart. That's my point. I think the results speak for them self.

My post was regarding your "Smart was the problem" comment. He was not. He'd be killing it on this team.

Smart was absolutely the problem.. the only thing he'd be doing on this team is taking bull, illtimed shots with below avg results all the while telling the media this is his and the Jays team.

The offense never looked this great with him here. Glad he's gone.

I agree. The moment he was traded, i was over the roof with excitement.

[ConstableGeneva]

Discourse from the other side when it comes to Smart has almost always been disingenuous and lacking context, objectivity, substance. Hard to expect anything different now.

Even after just four games, it's plain to see this iteration of the Celtics is better, but the reason they're better can't solely be because of the removal of one player. That's ridiculous. And kinda disrespectful to Jrue, KP, Tatum (who's much improved), Joe, and quite frankly, to Brad who envisioned this team, struck when the opportunity presented itself, and engineered the completion of the roster.

There are things that have changed due to the subtraction of Smart that can be acknowledged -- White's ascension, faster pace, more spacing, less chaos/unpredictability etc. but you really don't think going from Horford/Williams to Porzingis doesn't translate to a more diverse and dynamic offensive attack? Porzingis would've helped a ton against Miami and Golden State. No need for the Jays to force their drives. Easy answer against the zone. Bam and Draymond getting occupied cos you can't put a small on KP. And so on.

Anyway... Oh right, this is a Porzingis and Holiday thread. They are great additions to the team. Fitting like a glove so far on both ends. Scary thing is they can still keep getting better.

[chrisab123]

Getting rid of Smart ass addition by subtraction.

Historical footage of The Corey's working on math.



That's such a bad take, it was a good trade that balanced the roster and added talent that became a great trade when Jrue later became available. If the Jrue trade didn't happen it still would have been an upgrade in overall talent but our back court would be defensively thin which would have put a ton more pressure on KP when Derrick was off the floor.

In a vacuum losing Marcus didn't make us better though.

Lol. Smart is the one holding this team down, with his poor shooting and decision making. Teams defend the Jays differently with smart playing with them. Good riddance!

Smart looks as good as he did in Boston. Makes a lot of plays that you'd call "winning plays" although he'll have games like last night where he shoots 4 for 11 and will have a hand in Memphis losing. The team could not grow with him. They needed to move on in order for Jaylen and Jayson to realize their potential. The deal was a win even without Porzingis coming back. Now getting Porzingis and then using the GSW pick and trading RW3/Brogdon was a masterclass.

The team is just better overall. Last nights game they would have won by 12 and would have pulled away late if this was last years team.

Bench is still ass though.

[165bows]

People really don’t remember the start last year?

[ConstableGeneva]

People really don’t remember the start last year?

21-5 or whatever it was? Number one offense (which was mostly due to insane, unsustainable 3-point shooting) and top 10 defense (which didn't seem like it).

Prudent thing to do is wait at least 20 or so more games. But there are already differences in how we play even this early in the season that's difficult to ignore and hard not to get excited about.

[Ville5]

By the way, KP has said he doesn't like the "Zinger" nickname, he's been discouraging everyone from using it since he was playing in Spain. He prefers people just call him KP. In one interview he was asked whether there was a nickname he liked and he said "the unicorn" after thinking about it for a bit.

[Fierce1]

People really don’t remember the start last year?

The biggest difference is you can't leave anybody open on the Celtics anymore.

Last season teams could leave Smart open at 3pt line and leave Rob open outside the paint.

This season the top 8 of the Celtics are good to great shooters.
That's why the spacing is so good so far.

It's not a coincidence the Celts, as a team, are shooting 50.7% from the field after 4 games.

The FG% is up because the Celts are getting more easy shots compared to last season.

Credit that to KP and Jrue, players that shoot the ball well and also willing passers.