Apparently We're On The Naughty List You Guys! Loss vs PHI 12/25

[Fierce1]

Keep your expectations low this year, you’ll be disappointed less. Something is missing this year, probably that hunger for the title.

Bingo!

The Celtics are still full after eating that fat championship.

They'll go hungry again, most likely March.

[Shak_Celts]

Santa is OFFICIALLY on my naughty list! If I see him it's up and stuck!

[Bar Fight]

Didn't play defense again. But I mean, at least we didn't get injured.

...Oh wait

Sixers won the game, but Embiid was limping near the end of the 4th qtr.

If Embiid is not healthy 4 months from now then you'll realize that health is more important than a regular season game.

The Celtics lost the game, but KP was limping 2 minutes in and couldn't make it through the game.

Maybe....injuries can occur at any point whether you're playing hard or going through the motions lol. Suggesting we shouldn't play hard because we might get injured is the dumbest **** ever.

[Fierce1]

I had the Sixers as the #1 threat to the Cs this season.

But because of health, I don't think the Sixers will be able to get to their full potential this season.

Just today another MVP candidate, Luka, suffered another injury, this time a calf strain.

Luka not wanting to work hard on his body is paying the price for it.

IMO health is the #1 obstacle for a repeat this season.

[Jammer]

Is bad coaching gonna leave more titles on the table than it did in the 80s? ...

Disagree on your 1980's statement.

The Celtics would have repeated as NBA Champions in 1982 if starting PG Nate Archibald did not dislocate his shoulder in the 2nd playoff game against Philadelphia. Allowed Lakers to hoist another trophy.

In 1983 Philadelphia was in a zone rarely seen, going 12-1 in the playoffs, while Milwaukee swept the Celtics.

In 1985 and 1987 Lakers beat Boston 4-2. If Len Bias had lived, Celtics would have won in 1987 and 1988.

I can only go on what most historians agree on and that Casey Jones was a mid coach who was only here because it placated Bird.

Coaching would not have changed the outcomes in:

1980 Phili over Boston 4-1
1983 Milwaukee over Boston 4-0
1985 Lakers over Boston 4-2
1987 Lakers over Boston 4-2
1988 Detroit over Boston 4-2

Health would have won in 1982 (if Tiny Archibald didn't dislocate his shoulder, 1987 & 1988 (if Len Bias lived).

The issue isn't whether K.C. Jones was a mid-tier coach. In the years they lost, despite 60 wins seasons, they weren't good enough or not healthy (1982, 1987 and 1988). I didn't watch basketball for a long time after Lenny Bias passed. It was crushing. He was potentially another LeBron or Michael Jordan. He was that good. Too bad he got into coke from his damn teammates (one was a dealer). Too Bad that his 3 teammates didn't call 911 when he passed out (dealer's business was threatened, and they were all on basketball scholarships).

[Fierce1]

Didn't play defense again. But I mean, at least we didn't get injured.

...Oh wait

Sixers won the game, but Embiid was limping near the end of the 4th qtr.

If Embiid is not healthy 4 months from now then you'll realize that health is more important than a regular season game.

The Celtics lost the game, but KP was limping 2 minutes in and couldn't make it through the game.

Maybe....injuries can occur at any point whether you're playing hard or going through the motions lol. Suggesting we shouldn't play hard because we might get injured is the dumbest **** ever.

I'm not suggesting to not play hard.

In fact, I want them to play hard because I don't want the Cs to lose.

I'm only explaining to you why they're not playing hard.

It's very clear when the Cs flip the switch, they're very good.

But why aren't they playing hard all the time?

And that's why I said they're holding back because injuries are a concern.

[Memokerobi]

Sixers are garbage but the celtics put on another garbage performance. I been saying this team just doesn’t look like last year’s team. Not shooing it consistently well like last year. Very lazy , flat, uninspired etc.

If it bothers you so much then why watch them at all?

Yeah, this team doesn't look like last year's team because they have nothing to prove now.

Last season the pressure was mounting because the Jays have not won a championship and the clock was ticking.

If you're the opposite of an optimist then why are you expecting this current Celtics team to repeat when Bird and Pierce couldn't do it?

They got their monkey off their back so they think they can just show up. Again right now at this moment tbis team is not a championship team period. Things can change down the road but might be one of those season where they go 57-25 around there. Last 11 games though have been horrific

You can win in the NBA without winning 60+ games every year. This team played a lot of basketball the last how many years so they are not playing as hard as they should. Do I like it? Obviously not. But extrapolating from a 10 game stretch in the slog of November December and saying they aren’t title contenders or not in the top 2 in the East is just a bad overreaction

[Bar Fight]

Sixers won the game, but Embiid was limping near the end of the 4th qtr.

If Embiid is not healthy 4 months from now then you'll realize that health is more important than a regular season game.

The Celtics lost the game, but KP was limping 2 minutes in and couldn't make it through the game.

Maybe....injuries can occur at any point whether you're playing hard or going through the motions lol. Suggesting we shouldn't play hard because we might get injured is the dumbest **** ever.

I'm not suggesting to not play hard.

In fact, I want them to play hard because I don't want the Cs to lose.

I'm only explaining to you why they're not playing hard.

It's very clear when the Cs flip the switch, they're very good.

But why aren't they playing hard all the time?

And that's why I said they're holding back because injuries are a concern.

Yeah, that must be why they played Tatum and Brown 42 and 43 minutes and kept KP in for an entire half after he was clearly hobbled on the first play. Because they're trying to avoid injuries lol. Whatever helps you sleep at night

[Red2]

If pritchard isn’t hitting our bench sucks. No firepower. Might be time for LW4

[playa-hater]

Many posters complaining about defense, yet no one here mentions a Peep about Kornet and our Double Big lineups being a BIG (not only though) reason for it. I don't care if the Double Bigs put an occasional 3 minute run together against some Scrub team on occasion. Just the Idea that usually old man Al and Kornet and a slow/injured KP can actually get out and guard. And even when they do, they get beat. that usually causes a rotation breakdown and someone else looks bad.

When any of our starters goes down or is out, Joe simply starts Al and Brings in Kornet like he can plug in any position. Joe literally has given NO FAITH or experience To Walsh, Peterson, Springer or even our first RD pick. I guess none are ready and will not ever be ready. Can you imagine being an NBA player and never getting in??

Someone else said Joe "is Rigid" .. that to me is the Nice version. He literally has a hard time adjusting the game on the Fly. Philly killed us twice when Embiid was out and played NO center. Half or more of our time with that was double Bigs. They gave up so many open looks. And still no adjustment.

Let me remind everyone our defense has been quite bad for a while. Playing eight players and double Bigs makes us slower and more fatigued.

Either start playing any of Walsh/Peterson/Springer some timely minutes or get/trade for someone that will.

And until Proven otherwise Joe is now Doc Rivers 2.0 for me.

[Fierce1]

The Celtics lost the game, but KP was limping 2 minutes in and couldn't make it through the game.

Maybe....injuries can occur at any point whether you're playing hard or going through the motions lol. Suggesting we shouldn't play hard because we might get injured is the dumbest **** ever.

I'm not suggesting to not play hard.

In fact, I want them to play hard because I don't want the Cs to lose.

I'm only explaining to you why they're not playing hard.

It's very clear when the Cs flip the switch, they're very good.

But why aren't they playing hard all the time?

And that's why I said they're holding back because injuries are a concern.

Yeah, that must be why they played Tatum and Brown 42 and 43 minutes and kept KP in for an entire half after he was clearly hobbled on the first play. Because they're trying to avoid injuries lol. Whatever helps you sleep at night

Doesn't mean that if you play a lot of minutes you're automatically playing hard.

Luka plays a lot of minutes and doesn't even try on defense.

The point is the Celtic players this season, except maybe JB, are just not as tenacious on defense compared to last season.

It is very clear that they're not trying hard enough.

This is something fixable, that's why losing some games is not a big deal.

The only downside is they will most likely win fewer than 64 games this season.

[Fierce1]

Many posters complaining about defense, yet no one here mentions a Peep about Kornet and our Double Big lineups being a BIG (not only though) reason for it. I don't care if the Double Bigs put an occasional 3 minute run together against some Scrub team on occasion. Just the Idea that usually old man Al and Kornet and a slow/injured KP can actually get out and guard. And even when they do, they get beat. that usually causes a rotation breakdown and someone else looks bad.

When any of our starters goes down or is out, Joe simply starts Al and Brings in Kornet like he can plug in any position. Joe literally has given NO FAITH or experience To Walsh, Peterson, Springer or even our first RD pick. I guess none are ready and will not ever be ready. Can you imagine being an NBA player and never getting in??

Someone else said Joe "is Rigid" .. that to me is the Nice version. He literally has a hard time adjusting the game on the Fly. Philly killed us twice when Embiid was out and player NO center. Half of our time with that was double Bigs. They gave up so many open looks. And still no adjustment.

Let me remind everyone our defense has been quite bad for a while. Playing eight players and double Bigs makes us slower and more fatigued.

Either start playing any of Walsh/Peterson/Springer some timely minutes or get/trade for someone that will.

And until Proven otherwise Joe is now Doc Rivers 2.0 for me.

Joe proved you wrong last season.

Guess Joe will have to do it again this season.

[ConstableGeneva]

Lebron moved out West but we're still waiting for Caleb Martin to retire.



(via @AutomaticNBA)

[Bar Fight]

I'm not suggesting to not play hard.

In fact, I want them to play hard because I don't want the Cs to lose.

I'm only explaining to you why they're not playing hard.

It's very clear when the Cs flip the switch, they're very good.

But why aren't they playing hard all the time?

And that's why I said they're holding back because injuries are a concern.

Yeah, that must be why they played Tatum and Brown 42 and 43 minutes and kept KP in for an entire half after he was clearly hobbled on the first play. Because they're trying to avoid injuries lol. Whatever helps you sleep at night

Doesn't mean that if you play a lot of minutes you're automatically playing hard.

Luka plays a lot of minutes and doesn't even try on defense.

The point is the Celtic players this season, except maybe JB, are just not as tenacious on defense compared to last season.

It is very clear that they're not trying hard enough.

This is something fixable, that's why losing some games is not a big deal.

The only downside is they will most likely win fewer than 64 games this season.

Point is, your theory that they aren't defending because they're trying to avoid injury is the most ridiculous, unfounded cope I've ever heard lol

[Fierce1]

Early in the season it was all about JT's inefficiency.

Now that JT is more efficient and getting 30 and 10 the last few games, it's now about the Celtics losing.

That's why I said forget JT's efficiency as long as the Cs are winning.

Now it sucks more that JT's playing well and the Cs are losing games.

[playa-hater]

Many posters complaining about defense, yet no one here mentions a Peep about Kornet and our Double Big lineups being a BIG (not only though) reason for it. I don't care if the Double Bigs put an occasional 3 minute run together against some Scrub team on occasion. Just the Idea that usually old man Al and Kornet and a slow/injured KP can actually get out and guard. And even when they do, they get beat. that usually causes a rotation breakdown and someone else looks bad.

When any of our starters goes down or is out, Joe simply starts Al and Brings in Kornet like he can plug in any position. Joe literally has given NO FAITH or experience To Walsh, Peterson, Springer or even our first RD pick. I guess none are ready and will not ever be ready. Can you imagine being an NBA player and never getting in??

Someone else said Joe "is Rigid" .. that to me is the Nice version. He literally has a hard time adjusting the game on the Fly. Philly killed us twice when Embiid was out and player NO center. Half of our time with that was double Bigs. They gave up so many open looks. And still no adjustment.

Let me remind everyone our defense has been quite bad for a while. Playing eight players and double Bigs makes us slower and more fatigued.

Either start playing any of Walsh/Peterson/Springer some timely minutes or get/trade for someone that will.

And until Proven otherwise Joe is now Doc Rivers 2.0 for me.

Joe proved you wrong last season.

Guess Joe will have to do it again this season.

I never ever respond to you for obvious reasons, but I will this one time. Never said Boston couldn't win with Joe. But did say we wouldn't win BECAUSE of him.

98.5% of the time Joe has coached, Boston has had the superior talent. Last year it was enough to win. God forbid if the talent is even close and we need his coaching the get us over the Hump.

[redslastlaugh]

If pritchard isn’t hitting our bench sucks. No firepower. Might be time for LW4

When we have a guy out (Jrue tonight, JT last game) the bench boils down to Sam, Luke and Payton and that’s just not enough, especially when Sam and Pritchard are not hitting shots. Queta got some run tonight but overall the bench is severely lacking… JD with the team for three years, Scheierman as our 1st round pick, Walsh in his second year, and then Springer in year four and it’s like… just lacking as a bench

The 08 title team the playoff bench was literally
1. Posey
2. PJ
3. Cassell
4. Leon Powe
5. Eddie House
6. Big Baby
7. Tony Allen

I understand we have until the deadline to build out the bench… but we are lacking bench pop right now, BIGTIME

[Fierce1]

Yeah, that must be why they played Tatum and Brown 42 and 43 minutes and kept KP in for an entire half after he was clearly hobbled on the first play. Because they're trying to avoid injuries lol. Whatever helps you sleep at night

Doesn't mean that if you play a lot of minutes you're automatically playing hard.

Luka plays a lot of minutes and doesn't even try on defense.

The point is the Celtic players this season, except maybe JB, are just not as tenacious on defense compared to last season.

It is very clear that they're not trying hard enough.

This is something fixable, that's why losing some games is not a big deal.

The only downside is they will most likely win fewer than 64 games this season.

Point is, your theory that they aren't defending because they're trying to avoid injury is the most ridiculous, unfounded cope I've ever heard lol

I never said they aren't defending because of the fear of getting hurt.

What I said was they're not playing as hard or defending as hard because they're trying to avoid getting hurt.

That's a normal reaction after seeing star players getting injured more often.

[Bar Fight]

Doesn't mean that if you play a lot of minutes you're automatically playing hard.

Luka plays a lot of minutes and doesn't even try on defense.

The point is the Celtic players this season, except maybe JB, are just not as tenacious on defense compared to last season.

It is very clear that they're not trying hard enough.

This is something fixable, that's why losing some games is not a big deal.

The only downside is they will most likely win fewer than 64 games this season.

Point is, your theory that they aren't defending because they're trying to avoid injury is the most ridiculous, unfounded cope I've ever heard lol

I never said they aren't defending because of the fear of getting hurt.

What I said was they're not playing as hard or defending as hard because they're trying to avoid getting hurt.

That's a normal reaction after seeing star players getting injured more often.

And that is the most ridiculous, unfounded cope ever lol. Especially when they're playing their top guys 40+ minutes in regulation in December and kept an obviously injured player on the floor for an entire quarter AFTER he got hurt.

[playa-hater]

It's funny how after a loss this thread gets more comments. But it is always 9 posters vs ONE GREEN teamer and a few Neutrals. How about no one say anything and we just tune in the playoffs. Because ONE green teamer is always right and everyone else is wasting their breath.