Sign Al Horford or Luke Kornet

[redslastlaugh]

Firstly, I think Brad will offer both a contract to return even if thats only a veteran minimum as a result of the 2nd apron.
But if neither will play for that amount and Brad can only offer one a $6 million one year deal
It would be hard to choose, honestly
I'd hate to lose Horford but next season he will turn 40 and Luke is a late developing big who is still gonna be 7-foot-2
So if I had to pick just one, Id take Luke Kornet for next season

EDIT: On 2nd thought, I jst looked up JT+Luke from 2024 playoffs and that lineup combo was -1. But that was Lukes first time to play playoff minutes. If this playoffs, Luke+Tatum is a minus number, then its case-closed for bring back Al Horford.

[MrGreenRunsDeep]

I would kick out Kornet .. humiliate him by trading him for Cash or Gym equipment from other team! So next bum player will think twice for joining the Celtics

Childish McDonald’s gang Signs

Is this a bit you're doing or are you actually this ignorant?

Not a fan of his game at all …
This bum needs to get waived or traded like how we did with Bum Baynes..

This is so dumb


What are you doing ?


Hope he gets dunked by JA Morant! Become more serious player! We don’t need clowns on our team

[hugepatsfan]

No one is going to value Kornet as more than a backup big who can't play in the playoffs but is decent for the regular season. That puts him on the line between the tax payers MLE and another minimum salary. The NBA isn't like the NFL or other sports where you truly negotiate. Everything goes in tiers based on which exception you're signing into. Kornet is on that line between getting the tax payers MLE or a minimum.

Horford, as a player, is probably on the line between full MLE or tax payers MLE. His status as a tenured vet though means his minimum salary is close enough to his minimum that I can't see him leaving for a new team over that. If someone offered him full MLE, maybe he considers, but most teams would probably save that for someone younger. Keep in mind very few teams actually have it to use now, and the ones that do usually aren't contenders, hence preferring younger guys.

My guess is Horford comes back for minimum or retires. Kornet leaves for tax payers MLE if someone offers it but decent chance he's back on a minimum too.

[redslastlaugh]

No one is going to value Kornet as more than a backup big who can't play in the playoffs but is decent for the regular season. That puts him on the line between the tax payers MLE and another minimum salary. The NBA isn't like the NFL or other sports where you truly negotiate. Everything goes in tiers based on which exception you're signing into. Kornet is on that line between getting the tax payers MLE or a minimum.

But the situation with the Cs is somewhat different as they have both Luke and Al’s bird rights and a mandate to keep spending under $207.8 … so if they make a couple of trades to rearrange down the roster to 13 players (not incl Luke nor Al) at a salary commitment of $199.8 … they have $8 million dollars to work with and have to get to a minimum roster of 14 players. They can offer $4 to Luke and $4 to Al, they can offer $8 to Al and nothing to Luke and so forth … but they’re not going over $207.8 if they have decided they aren’t going to go into the 2nd apron next season.

This is a bit of an unusual situation and you wonder if Al or Luke agent will work with the Cs a little bit.

[hugepatsfan]

No one is going to value Kornet as more than a backup big who can't play in the playoffs but is decent for the regular season. That puts him on the line between the tax payers MLE and another minimum salary. The NBA isn't like the NFL or other sports where you truly negotiate. Everything goes in tiers based on which exception you're signing into. Kornet is on that line between getting the tax payers MLE or a minimum.

But the situation with the Cs is somewhat different as they have both Luke and Al’s bird rights and a mandate to keep spending under $207.8 … so if they make a couple of trades to rearrange down the roster to 13 players (not incl Luke nor Al) at a salary commitment of $199.8 … they have $8 million dollars to work with and have to get to a minimum roster of 14 players. They can offer $4 to Luke and $4 to Al, they can offer $8 to Al and nothing to Luke and so forth … but they’re not going over $207.8 if they have decided they aren’t going to go into the 2nd apron next season.

This is a bit of an unusual situation and you wonder if Al or Luke agent will work with the Cs a little bit.

I doubt they offer Al $4M. His minimum salary is like $3.6M, but that would only count on BOS's salary/tax calc at $2.3M. Same thing with Kornet. His minimum would be $3.3M which would count $2.3M for BOS. The extra less than $1M for those guys would count many multiples of that for BOS with tax implications. That's why the NBA operates in tiers with FA. Most guys get an exception (minimum, tax payers MLE, room, bi-annual, full minimum). Very rarely do guys get numbers in between because it makes deals tough to mechanically execute. BOS has bird rights, but they're competing with offers from other teams which would all be exceptions. And it's obvious both would have inclination to return, so it's not like BOS needs to offer more than other teams.

If Horford had another offer elsewhere and really held BOS's feet to the fire, I guess he could maybe get them to use bird rights. I'm just skeptical of how many teams there are that would want to offer Horford more than the minimum that he'd also want to play for. And how much more than the minimum. I'm skeptical he would leave for the tax payers MLE of $5.7M or the bi-annual exception of $5.1M and I can't see anyone else offering more. That's an extra ~$1.5-$2M for him and he has to uproot his family to play in a new city for 1 year? Seems unlikely. But again, if he wants to keep playing and hold BOS's feet to the fire for more, he's good enough that they'd consider.

Don't see it with Kornet though. He'll be back on a minimum or he'll be gone. And I would lean towards him being back because I'm skeptical anyone else offers him more than the minimum anyway. But maybe someone "splurges" for him and offers the tax payers MLE of $5.7M or the bi-annual exception of $5.1M. And if he gets that and wants to go, BOS will thank him for his time and let him go.

[redslastlaugh]

I doubt they offer Al $4M. His minimum salary is like $3.6M, but that would only count on BOS's salary/tax calc at $2.3M. Same thing with Kornet. His minimum would be $3.3M which would count $2.3M for BOS. The extra less than $1M for those guys would count many multiples of that for BOS with tax implications. That's why the NBA operates in tiers with FA. Most guys get an exception (minimum, tax payers MLE, room, bi-annual, full minimum). Very rarely do guys get numbers in between because it makes deals tough to mechanically execute. BOS has bird rights, but they're competing with offers from other teams which would all be exceptions. And it's obvious both would have inclination to return, so it's not like BOS needs to offer more than other teams.

If Horford had another offer elsewhere and really held BOS's feet to the fire, I guess he could maybe get them to use bird rights. I'm just skeptical of how many teams there are that would want to offer Horford more than the minimum that he'd also want to play for.

Firstly, Al might just want to stay in Boston he’s a beloved figure and making a case for 4th best Celtic center of all time. But also this is a business, maybe he’d just take the most money?
If the Philly pick lands in the top 6 and doesn’t convey. Would okc deal off Kenrich Williams and Ousmane Dieng into space and offer Al a two year full MLE for a big rotation of Hartenstein, Holmgren, Al and Jaylin Williams. You not only beef up your front court but you weaken the main eastern conference competition…

[Parliament10]

I doubt they offer Al $4M. His minimum salary is like $3.6M, but that would only count on BOS's salary/tax calc at $2.3M. Same thing with Kornet. His minimum would be $3.3M which would count $2.3M for BOS. The extra less than $1M for those guys would count many multiples of that for BOS with tax implications. That's why the NBA operates in tiers with FA. Most guys get an exception (minimum, tax payers MLE, room, bi-annual, full minimum). Very rarely do guys get numbers in between because it makes deals tough to mechanically execute. BOS has bird rights, but they're competing with offers from other teams which would all be exceptions. And it's obvious both would have inclination to return, so it's not like BOS needs to offer more than other teams.

If Horford had another offer elsewhere and really held BOS's feet to the fire, I guess he could maybe get them to use bird rights. I'm just skeptical of how many teams there are that would want to offer Horford more than the minimum that he'd also want to play for.

Firstly, Al might just want to stay in Boston he’s a beloved figure and making a case for 4th best Celtic center of all time. But also this is a business, maybe he’d just take the most money?
If the Philly pick lands in the top 6 and doesn’t convey. Would okc deal off Kenrich Williams and Ousmane Dieng into space and offer Al a two year full MLE for a big rotation of Hartenstein, Holmgren, Al and Jaylin Williams. You not only beef up your front court but you weaken the main eastern conference competition…

Horford has 5 Kids; so I don't think that he's going anywhere. Definitely not for a few million.
Kornet will get more lucrative offers for where he is, in his career. But, he's already shown that he'll turn down more money.

Also, Kornet has 2 Kids, as well. That's gotta play a part.
IMO, it's not about money, for either of them.

[celtxman]

They both should be on the Celtics barring a trade. Kornet is now certainly an asset. With Bird rights they sign and trade Kornet for an asset. Not saying they should, but we will see what the post season results impact roster decisions.

[redslastlaugh]

I was looking for something else and stumbled upon this old realgm old thread (and Bulpett article) from when Al left in free agency for Philly.
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1895679

He are a couple of quotes from Al talking about the decision.

“Well, after last year ended, we were all disappointed with how everything went. I took some steps back, looking at what direction the franchise was heading and what was going,” Horford said. “And we all kind of felt that Kyrie (Irving) was going to leave. It was like, maybe he’ll stay, but then it was, nah, he’s probably going to leave just based on how everything was.

“And then I’m looking at my career and myself and the years that I have left. There were certain things that we wanted to accomplish as a team and things that we needed to make that happen. We got all those pieces last year, but it didn’t happen for us, and moving forward I didn’t know if it was going to be a two-year wait or whatever it was going to be. It was that and the financial reasons. When we started with the team trying to come up with things and we couldn’t agree on certain numbers, that’s when I decided, you know what, I’m going to have to open my free agency. I believe not only that I am worth a certain amount of money, but also I want to be in a position that I have a really good opportunity to win now. You know, my window is now. That’s how I feel.”

“In their eyes, I feel that they did the best that they could and what made sense to them,” he said. “And obviously, you know, I feel like they’ve always made a point of my age — and I understand that, me being 33 years old. But they did what they felt was best for them and what makes sense for them. And it was hard, because I felt like I was really invested and really into Boston and what it meant to be a Celtic. But as hard as it was, I had to really think it through. I couldn’t go with …”

“I had to think about what made sense for me and some of the things that I wanted to accomplish,” Horford said. “They were three really good years for me there, but we just fell short of that goal of raising that banner. I had to make a head-on decision, and it came down to the opportunity for me to compete for a championship, but also to maximize financially.”

https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/10/09/al-horford-finds-hope-in-philly-after-celtics-crash/

I wonder now, Al being well more settled in Boston and having won a ring with a chance for more, I wonder how much Al thinks about the financial side as to if hes being paid what he's worth. Al looks around and sees the dollars Kevin Durant is still making out of the same draft class and he looks at his number and then on our team, he looks at Porzingis's number. Al is making $10 this year and has played more minutes than KP and Kristaps is making $30 million.

Maybe Brad comes to Al asking if he will take a discount and play for $3.5 and Al's like, "I am on a discount playing for $10 right now." Who knows how important the money is at this point, Al has made over $200 million in career earnings. But also, if Horford felt like he is underpaid on his current deal, I wouldnt say he is wrong.

[playa-hater]

Of course, everyone is associated going to the lakers. But the Kornet to lakers rumor made me laugh.. God, I would pray. Kornet does not leave Boston for a better payday and at paydays in l. A

[Parliament10]

I was looking for something else and stumbled upon this old realgm old thread (and Bulpett article) from when Al left in free agency for Philly.
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1895679

He are a couple of quotes from Al talking about the decision.

“Well, after last year ended, we were all disappointed with how everything went. I took some steps back, looking at what direction the franchise was heading and what was going,” Horford said. “And we all kind of felt that Kyrie (Irving) was going to leave. It was like, maybe he’ll stay, but then it was, nah, he’s probably going to leave just based on how everything was.

“And then I’m looking at my career and myself and the years that I have left. There were certain things that we wanted to accomplish as a team and things that we needed to make that happen. We got all those pieces last year, but it didn’t happen for us, and moving forward I didn’t know if it was going to be a two-year wait or whatever it was going to be. It was that and the financial reasons. When we started with the team trying to come up with things and we couldn’t agree on certain numbers, that’s when I decided, you know what, I’m going to have to open my free agency. I believe not only that I am worth a certain amount of money, but also I want to be in a position that I have a really good opportunity to win now. You know, my window is now. That’s how I feel.”

“In their eyes, I feel that they did the best that they could and what made sense to them,” he said. “And obviously, you know, I feel like they’ve always made a point of my age — and I understand that, me being 33 years old. But they did what they felt was best for them and what makes sense for them. And it was hard, because I felt like I was really invested and really into Boston and what it meant to be a Celtic. But as hard as it was, I had to really think it through. I couldn’t go with …”

“I had to think about what made sense for me and some of the things that I wanted to accomplish,” Horford said. “They were three really good years for me there, but we just fell short of that goal of raising that banner. I had to make a head-on decision, and it came down to the opportunity for me to compete for a championship, but also to maximize financially.”

https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/10/09/al-horford-finds-hope-in-philly-after-celtics-crash/

I wonder now, Al being well more settled in Boston and having won a ring with a chance for more, I wonder how much Al thinks about the financial side as to if hes being paid what he's worth. Al looks around and sees the dollars Kevin Durant is still making out of the same draft class and he looks at his number and then on our team, he looks at Porzingis's number. Al is making $10 this year and has played more minutes than KP and Kristaps is making $30 million.

Maybe Brad comes to Al asking if he will take a discount and play for $3.5 and Al's like, "I am on a discount playing for $10 right now." Who knows how important the money is at this point, Al has made over $200 million in career earnings. But also, if Horford felt like he is underpaid on his current deal, I wouldnt say he is wrong.

Horford said later, that he wouldn't have left, if he knew that Kyrie wasn't going to be on the Team.
He tried to say it judiciously, but it was obvious that Kyrie was just a real cancer, back then.

[ConstableGeneva]

For MGRD's sake, I hope we lure Baynes out of retirement on top of signing Kornet to the max.

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I doubt they offer Al $4M. His minimum salary is like $3.6M, but that would only count on BOS's salary/tax calc at $2.3M. Same thing with Kornet. His minimum would be $3.3M which would count $2.3M for BOS. The extra less than $1M for those guys would count many multiples of that for BOS with tax implications. That's why the NBA operates in tiers with FA. Most guys get an exception (minimum, tax payers MLE, room, bi-annual, full minimum). Very rarely do guys get numbers in between because it makes deals tough to mechanically execute. BOS has bird rights, but they're competing with offers from other teams which would all be exceptions. And it's obvious both would have inclination to return, so it's not like BOS needs to offer more than other teams.

If Horford had another offer elsewhere and really held BOS's feet to the fire, I guess he could maybe get them to use bird rights. I'm just skeptical of how many teams there are that would want to offer Horford more than the minimum that he'd also want to play for.

Firstly, Al might just want to stay in Boston he’s a beloved figure and making a case for 4th best Celtic center of all time. But also this is a business, maybe he’d just take the most money?
If the Philly pick lands in the top 6 and doesn’t convey. Would okc deal off Kenrich Williams and Ousmane Dieng into space and offer Al a two year full MLE for a big rotation of Hartenstein, Holmgren, Al and Jaylin Williams. You not only beef up your front court but you weaken the main eastern conference competition…

Horford has 5 Kids; so I don't think that he's going anywhere. Definitely not for a few million.
Kornet will get more lucrative offers for where he is, in his career. But, he's already shown that he'll turn down more money.

Also, Kornet has 2 Kids, as well. That's gotta play a part.
IMO, it's not about money, for either of them.

Kornet's next contract could easily be a huge fraction of his lifetime earnings.

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Is Horford eligible for a no-trade clause?

If he's asked to offer a hometown discount for the good of the rest of the Celtics, and because he likes having roots here, that would be a natural thing for him to ask for in return.

[Parliament10]

Is Horford eligible for a no-trade clause?

If he's asked to offer a hometown discount for the good of the rest of the Celtics, and because he likes having roots here, that would be a natural thing for him to ask for in return.

Doesn't look like it this year. He'd have to sign as a Free Agent.

A no-trade clause is typically negotiated when a player is signing a new free agent contract, not an extension.

If somehow he goes to the end of next Season as a UFA, then he could do it. He'll be 40 then, though.

As an unrestricted free agent in 2026, Horford would be eligible for a no-trade clause if he re-signs with the Celtics, but not if he signs with another team

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Is Horford eligible for a no-trade clause?

If he's asked to offer a hometown discount for the good of the rest of the Celtics, and because he likes having roots here, that would be a natural thing for him to ask for in return.

Doesn't look like it this year. He'd have to sign as a Free Agent.

A no-trade clause is typically negotiated when a player is signing a new free agent contract, not an extension.

If somehow he goes to the end of next Season as a UFA, then he could do it. He'll be 40 then, though.

As an unrestricted free agent in 2026, Horford would be eligible for a no-trade clause if he re-signs with the Celtics, but not if he signs with another team

That link seems to think Horford is under contract for 2025-26, which is not the standard view.

Umm ... what's the link? I hope you didn't use ChatGPT or something without checking its facts.

https://heavy.com/sports/nba/boston-celtics/celtics-face-fight-keep-al-horford-free-agency/

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From that link

Horford is heading into unrestricted free agency. Fischer has reported that multiple teams around the NBA are monitoring his availability and would be willing to make offers starting at $6 million per season.

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I wonder whether the Celtics could re-sign both Horford and Kornet for taxpayer MLE kinds of numbers each. (Using Bird Rights, of course, but matching the bids of MLE-offering teams.)

Maybe they wouldn't want to go to any team that could offer more money than that.

[ConstableGeneva]

Is Horford eligible for a no-trade clause?

If he's asked to offer a hometown discount for the good of the rest of the Celtics, and because he likes having roots here, that would be a natural thing for him to ask for in return.

Doesn't look like it this year. He'd have to sign as a Free Agent.

A no-trade clause is typically negotiated when a player is signing a new free agent contract, not an extension.

If somehow he goes to the end of next Season as a UFA, then he could do it. He'll be 40 then, though.

As an unrestricted free agent in 2026, Horford would be eligible for a no-trade clause if he re-signs with the Celtics, but not if he signs with another team

That link seems to think Horford is under contract for 2025-26, which is not the standard view.

Umm ... what's the link? I hope you didn't use ChatGPT or something without checking its facts.

https://heavy.com/sports/nba/boston-celtics/celtics-face-fight-keep-al-horford-free-agency/

He's UFA at the end of this season: https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_/id/2199/al-horford

And yes, he's eligible for an NTC.

If he signs for a 1-year vet minimum, he'd have the right to veto a trade anyway (like Kornet did this season).

[Parasite]

Just as always has been the case about his play on the court, methinks people are underrating Luke’s value on the market as well.