The disrespect directed towards Joe needs to stop.

[Floody100]

I can say right now that he will never ever be better than Spo.


If your take is that the coach is only as good as his players then obviously coaching isn't all that important to you.

I guess if your metric is wins and loses then he's the best coach of all time.

Which you probably aren't even willing to say but perhaps maybe you are.

I'm a Celtic fan and I'm enjoying this era of Celtics basketball because they're winning way, way more than they're losing.

So yeah, I really don't care who the coach is as long as my team keeps winning.

Ain't the goal is to win and not to have the best coach in the league?

We had one of the best basketball minds in Brad Stevens and he couldn't take the Cs to the Finals even when he had 3 trips to the ECF.

Your metric of Joe being a bad coach is because according to you he's not good at in-game adjustments.

Joe is about the math.
He believes in his system and he's betting that for every loss he wins 2 or 3 or 4.

So what if you lose a game or two but still ending up with 4 wins first.

The 16-3 postseason record last year is one of the best in league history.

Part of that success is the coach and some of you guys refuse to admit that.

You are all over the place. If the Celtics are having a hard time scoring against the magic, if they can't find a way to get their 3 off, if Joe sits there with his hands in his pocket when magic clear out a 12 point deficit in 2 minutes then bro is gonna hear it from me and others.

This non sense that I have to enjoy the Celtics run because they're winning without scrutiny is ridiculous.

You've not once addressed what makes him a good coach. Even you would have a .700 winning percentage with this roster. It's not impressive.

As for your Stevens slander. I'd live to see what Joe would do with Marcus smart for 10 years. What he would do with Kelly olynyk and Isaiah Thomas. Or how he would handle that bum of negativity Irving.

Give me a break dude. Stevens is why the Celtics were competitive all those years. He's been retired for 4 seasons now. He didn't have the Jays in their prime. He had them when they was going, working their way up the NBA ladder while the Celtics waited their turn because that's how the NBA works.

Anyway. We get it. Joe a genius. Ime and Brad couldn't win the ship and were all crazy for not giving Joe any credit.

You’re clutching at straws now if you’re resorting to hypotheticals.

[The Corey's]

I'm a Celtic fan and I'm enjoying this era of Celtics basketball because they're winning way, way more than they're losing.

So yeah, I really don't care who the coach is as long as my team keeps winning.

Ain't the goal is to win and not to have the best coach in the league?

We had one of the best basketball minds in Brad Stevens and he couldn't take the Cs to the Finals even when he had 3 trips to the ECF.

Your metric of Joe being a bad coach is because according to you he's not good at in-game adjustments.

Joe is about the math.
He believes in his system and he's betting that for every loss he wins 2 or 3 or 4.

So what if you lose a game or two but still ending up with 4 wins first.

The 16-3 postseason record last year is one of the best in league history.

Part of that success is the coach and some of you guys refuse to admit that.

You are all over the place. If the Celtics are having a hard time scoring against the magic, if they can't find a way to get their 3 off, if Joe sits there with his hands in his pocket when magic clear out a 12 point deficit in 2 minutes then bro is gonna hear it from me and others.

This non sense that I have to enjoy the Celtics run because they're winning without scrutiny is ridiculous.

You've not once addressed what makes him a good coach. Even you would have a .700 winning percentage with this roster. It's not impressive.

As for your Stevens slander. I'd live to see what Joe would do with Marcus smart for 10 years. What he would do with Kelly olynyk and Isaiah Thomas. Or how he would handle that bum of negativity Irving.

Give me a break dude. Stevens is why the Celtics were competitive all those years. He's been retired for 4 seasons now. He didn't have the Jays in their prime. He had them when they was going, working their way up the NBA ladder while the Celtics waited their turn because that's how the NBA works.

Anyway. We get it. Joe a genius. Ime and Brad couldn't win the ship and were all crazy for not giving Joe any credit.

You’re clutching at straws now if you’re resorting to hypotheticals.

I don't get the argument. If the argument is the Celtics havent lost a playoff series since 2023 then yea, he's doing awesome.

I defy anyone to go over the 2024 playoff game threads and find many, if any at all instances where I came down on Joe at all. The Celtics were rolling. Even he couldn't get in the way of it. I don't just troll Joe to troll him. It's earned.

Sorry that I haven't jumped on the 30 three points a game and trust the numbers coaching. There's more to it than that.

Still waiting on someone to show me which game the Celtics won this series because of Joe's immaculate coaching.

[strokerace]

When Joe keeps winning with a middle of the road roster like CBS did or Spo does, I will be aboard the Joe train. Until then, he is just doing what he better be doing which is winning with what almost every NBA fan considers a stacked roster. There is a reason why Joe has not sniffed a COTY award.I am not disrespecting him. I just don't feel like he is anywhere near a coach like Spo.

[Floody100]

Why are we even comparing Joe to modern day Spo ?

Spo’s first two years with a prime Dwayne Wade got bounced in the first round & then was given the chance to coach Lebron, Wade & Bosh all together & had to wait till the season after that to win a championship.

[Fierce1]

When Joe keeps winning with a middle of the road roster like CBS did or Spo does, I will be aboard the Joe train. Until then, he is just doing what he better be doing which is winning with what almost every NBA fan considers a stacked roster. There is a reason why Joe has not sniffed a COTY award.I am not disrespecting him. I just don't feel like he is anywhere near a coach like Spo.

Like I said, the goal is to win, not have the COTY.

2 coaches, Vogel and Bud, had a stacked roster in KD, Booker, and Beal.
But both coaches went nowhere with those 3 max players.

Steve Nash had 3 future HOFers in KD, Kyrie, and Harden and they couldn't even reach the ECF.

Just because you have a stacked roster, that does not mean it's a guarantee that any coach can make them win a championship.

[Fierce1]

It's about fit and great player-coach relationship.

[ConstableGeneva]

If we melded Brad Stevens' basketball mind, Ime's so-called toughness, and Joe's ability to reach his players, I think we get Pop.

[31to6]

Only won a closeout game by 31, my nephew and his cat could do WAY bettr

[return2glory]

I swore I wouldn't address this thread. I Failed! But just once. I have retired all my debates on Joe for the good or bad. Why? It's pretty simple. No one is or will be changing their opinion on Joe. Everyone is fully entrenched on the battlefield somewhere and no one is coming out.

But this is a message board so feel free to "fire away"

Me, I will be focusing everything on the actual games and the Draft of-course. There is enough Joy and stress in that.

So carry on you beaches!! On that note, I live on the beach and will be getting nicely sun soaked waiting for showtime!!

You're not just a playa-hater, you're also a coach-hater. I remember you not liking Brad as our coach either.

With that being said, I enjoy your posts and like your consistency. If you started liking Joe, we should be concerned, lol.
I get on Joe too but I give me props when he coaches well. I think it's cool we all have different opinions, especially
when it's done with respect. Makes the board interesting.

[Fierce1]

Celts were struggling early in Game 5 against the Magic.

They didn't even make a single 3-pointer until JT made 1 in the 3rd qtr.

Joe made the right adjustments in that Game 5.

So this answers the questions about in-game adjustments by Joe.

Guess a coach putting his hands in his pocket is not a metric for how good or bad a coach is.

[Smart2Nesmith43]

Only won a closeout game by 31, my nephew and his cat could do WAY bettr

.800 winning percentage and +13.7 net rating against a playoff team while multiple starters miss games. FIRE JOE lol.

[playa-hater]

I swore I wouldn't address this thread. I Failed! But just once. I have retired all my debates on Joe for the good or bad. Why? It's pretty simple. No one is or will be changing their opinion on Joe. Everyone is fully entrenched on the battlefield somewhere and no one is coming out.

But this is a message board so feel free to "fire away"

Me, I will be focusing everything on the actual games and the Draft of-course. There is enough Joy and stress in that.

So carry on you beaches!! On that note, I live on the beach and will be getting nicely sun soaked waiting for showtime!!

You're not just a playa-hater, you're also a coach-hater. I remember you not liking Brad as our coach either.

With that being said, I enjoy your posts and like your consistency. If you started liking Joe, we should be concerned, lol.
I get on Joe too but I give me props when he coaches well. I think it's cool we all have different opinions, especially
when it's done with respect. Makes the board interesting.

Everytime I try to get out, someone drags me back in But on that note, I called out Brad 1 year earlier for clearly losing his players. Man did I catch Heat. Brad is the most likeable coach. 99% hated me for that. Yet as it turns out, the 1% was right. looks in Mirror

[ConstableGeneva]

Slightly related since this is one of the main complaints against Joe, but I really hope this playoff run where the "young guys" (Queta, Walsh, Scheierman, Davison, etc.) are not given floor time makes them HUNGRY AS A WOLF and keeps them working on their individual games while also learning team play. Their time will come if they're really good enough (see Pritchard, Kornet, Hauser). C's are top-heavy and star-laden that these dudes just won't have the adequate opportunity to showcase where they are on a veteran team trying to repeat. They should consider themselves lucky to witness first-hand what it takes to win at the highest level. They have GREAT mentors in Horford, White, Jays, and Holiday to learn from. It sucks to be sitting on the bench game after game but their patience and hard work will pay off one day.

[Celts17Pride]

Slightly related since this is one of the main complaints against Joe, but I really hope this playoff run where the "young guys" (Queta, Walsh, Scheierman, Davison, etc.) are not given floor time makes them HUNGRY AS A WOLF and keeps them working on their individual games while also learning team play. Their time will come if they're really good enough (see Pritchard, Kornet, Hauser). C's are top-heavy and star-laden that these dudes just won't have the adequate opportunity to showcase where they are on a veteran team trying to repeat. They should consider themselves lucky to witness first-hand what it takes to win at the highest level. They have GREAT mentors in Horford, White, Jays, and Holiday to learn from. It sucks to be sitting on the bench game after game but their patience and hard work will pay off one day.

I agree, my only issue is with Torrey Craig. I think vet Craig could be a help in certain parts of some games but Mazzulla is too stubborn.

[ConstableGeneva]

Slightly related since this is one of the main complaints against Joe, but I really hope this playoff run where the "young guys" (Queta, Walsh, Scheierman, Davison, etc.) are not given floor time makes them HUNGRY AS A WOLF and keeps them working on their individual games while also learning team play. Their time will come if they're really good enough (see Pritchard, Kornet, Hauser). C's are top-heavy and star-laden that these dudes just won't have the adequate opportunity to showcase where they are on a veteran team trying to repeat. They should consider themselves lucky to witness first-hand what it takes to win at the highest level. They have GREAT mentors in Horford, White, Jays, and Holiday to learn from. It sucks to be sitting on the bench game after game but their patience and hard work will pay off one day.

I agree, my only issue is with Torrey Craig. I think vet Craig could be a help in certain parts of some games but Mazzulla is too stubborn.

Legit gripe. Craig could inject some energy and hustle while not being a total zero on offense. It could just be a familiarity issue. Why I'm always skeptical about midseason additions being impactful in the playoffs. It takes time to learn what we run on both ends.

[31to6]

Slightly related since this is one of the main complaints against Joe, but I really hope this playoff run where the "young guys" (Queta, Walsh, Scheierman, Davison, etc.) are not given floor time makes them HUNGRY AS A WOLF and keeps them working on their individual games while also learning team play. Their time will come if they're really good enough (see Pritchard, Kornet, Hauser). C's are top-heavy and star-laden that these dudes just won't have the adequate opportunity to showcase where they are on a veteran team trying to repeat. They should consider themselves lucky to witness first-hand what it takes to win at the highest level. They have GREAT mentors in Horford, White, Jays, and Holiday to learn from. It sucks to be sitting on the bench game after game but their patience and hard work will pay off one day.

I agree, my only issue is with Torrey Craig. I think vet Craig could be a help in certain parts of some games but Mazzulla is too stubborn.

Legit gripe. Craig could inject some energy and hustle while not being a total zero on offense. It could just be a familiarity issue. Why I'm always skeptical about midseason additions being impactful in the playoffs. It takes time to learn what we run on both ends.

let's also consider that Craig plays the same positions as the Jays so I think he's here more as injury/foul trouble insurance. OR ... Mazzulla is too stubborn

[Smart2Nesmith43]

Slightly related since this is one of the main complaints against Joe, but I really hope this playoff run where the "young guys" (Queta, Walsh, Scheierman, Davison, etc.) are not given floor time makes them HUNGRY AS A WOLF and keeps them working on their individual games while also learning team play. Their time will come if they're really good enough (see Pritchard, Kornet, Hauser). C's are top-heavy and star-laden that these dudes just won't have the adequate opportunity to showcase where they are on a veteran team trying to repeat. They should consider themselves lucky to witness first-hand what it takes to win at the highest level. They have GREAT mentors in Horford, White, Jays, and Holiday to learn from. It sucks to be sitting on the bench game after game but their patience and hard work will pay off one day.

To be fair the Celtics prospects are still getting more playing time than they would on a tanking team this time of year.

[Hal14]

I swore I wouldn't address this thread. I Failed! But just once. I have retired all my debates on Joe for the good or bad. Why? It's pretty simple. No one is or will be changing their opinion on Joe. Everyone is fully entrenched on the battlefield somewhere and no one is coming out.

But this is a message board so feel free to "fire away"

Me, I will be focusing everything on the actual games and the Draft of-course. There is enough Joy and stress in that.

So carry on you beaches!! On that note, I live on the beach and will be getting nicely sun soaked waiting for showtime!!

You're not just a playa-hater, you're also a coach-hater. I remember you not liking Brad as our coach either.

He hated Ime too

[playa-hater]

I swore I wouldn't address this thread. I Failed! But just once. I have retired all my debates on Joe for the good or bad. Why? It's pretty simple. No one is or will be changing their opinion on Joe. Everyone is fully entrenched on the battlefield somewhere and no one is coming out.

But this is a message board so feel free to "fire away"

Me, I will be focusing everything on the actual games and the Draft of-course. There is enough Joy and stress in that.

So carry on you beaches!! On that note, I live on the beach and will be getting nicely sun soaked waiting for showtime!!

You're not just a playa-hater, you're also a coach-hater. I remember you not liking Brad as our coach either.

He hated Ime too

That makes me 2 for 2

[playa-hater]

In about a week this thread aged badly. What I find interesting is that the OP and a few others have yet to be heard from since. It is really so hard to just admit, maybe just maybe Joe really isn't a good coach but rather he inherited a great team full of talent and he rode that talent to one title with the help of some great Luck last year as teams were often without their key or star player. But in a playoffs series were talent is/was closer (though I say Boston still has the top talent) Joe struggles and his coaching Philosophies are indeed the team's biggest weakness??

I would like to conclude with the statement that I do not believe anything I said was or should be determined "disrespectful" These are all far questions, especially under the current Boston circumstances.