Around the NBA (3.0), 2018-19 (Non-Celtics Talk)

[CeltsfaninDC]

Is Ariza for Oubre really that much of an upgrade? Oubre is a solid young player.

Not sure what Washington wanted from this deal.

Oubre needs a new contract next year and the Wiz were NOT paying him (and Wall and Porter and Beal) so they got a guy that literally every single player on this team loves and who also has no strings after this year. Ariza played here before and is a well liked vet who people like Beal and Wall respect. He might be the one person who can get these guys playing together again. They also get rid of 2 locker room disasters in Oubre and Doc’s kid.

[colaroaster]

Is Ariza for Oubre really that much of an upgrade? Oubre is a solid young player.

Not sure what Washington wanted from this deal.

Oubre needs a new contract next year and the Wiz were NOT paying him (and Wall and Porter and Beal) so they got a guy that literally every single player on this team loves and who also has no strings after this year. Ariza played here before and is a well liked vet who people like Beal and Wall respect. He might be the one person who can get these guys playing together again. They also get rid of 2 locker room disasters in Oubre and Doc’s kid.

oubre was traded because he's a punk. wizards realized their toxic clubhouse is problematic and have been handcuffed with untradeable players/contracts. basically it's a desperate move by a gm that has no idea how to build a team with players of quality character - soon he'll be chasing the dream in china.

[thelarrybirdx]

So the Raptors are decimated with injuries and they had Kawhi and they can't win? Pfft, that top 5 player crap is so overrated at times. It's kinda odd but the Raptors have actually looked better this season with Kawhi out at times then in. As much crap as we all give Lowry (who was out tonight) it's actually more of his team. I still feel they are trying to mesh Kawhi in there and their bench has looked pretty bad.

Lakers got blown out of the water by the Wizards today, John Wall plopped 40 points on their asses. Sometimes I still can't believe Lebron went to play with those kids in LA, unless he and Magic really do have plans to move guys later.

What are you trying to say here? Statement was really contradicting. If you aren't taking their injuries seriously, they were missing Lowry, Siakam, JV, and Powell, which is a pretty huge deal lol.

[TruthITD]

wow sixers get destroyed...butler with 6 on 13 shots and embiid with 13 on 17 shots! 3 out of the last 4 have been losses and more to come soon with toronto, boston, portland, LA coming up!

[KevinGamble34]

After they bought out Rivers, Phoenix have used a ton of cap on players who will not play for them. I guess it is only short term for them.

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[Celtics_History_Lesson]

Kyle Lowry is illiterate?

Kyle Lowry: 'No Read' On Whether Kawhi Leonard Re-Signs With Raptors

Kyle Lowry has a calendar on his wall, it goes from July to April.


Injury-depleted Denver defeating Toronto, very impressive. I Thomas, W Barton, G Harris, P Millsap, M Porter. Two great starters, two All-Stars, a player who was thought to be top pick material, Denver was missing all that but still easily defeated the choking Kawhi team.

Toronto like naming teams after numbers. The Toronto 86ers. Injury-depleted Denver 96, and the other team got 86.



Kawhi, so good, OG has watched him and is putting up 43%, 30%, 29%. Without Bruno around, that franchise is falling apart.


Toronto might want Austin Rivers, but they will have a hard time figuring out how to waste a first rounder on him like they do in most transactions.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Embiid is so damn overrated. Everyone calls him an MVP candidate but his impact stats suggest elsewise. He’s a great defender but pretty ‘meh’ on offense—he’s turnover prone and scores at a below league average clip for big men [Embiid has a 57.9 TS%, league average for bigs this year is 59.4%]. Dude just spams his usage and everyone falls for it hook line and sinker.

[ballup]

Is Ariza for Oubre really that much of an upgrade? Oubre is a solid young player.

Not sure what Washington wanted from this deal.

Oubre needs a new contract next year and the Wiz were NOT paying him (and Wall and Porter and Beal) so they got a guy that literally every single player on this team loves and who also has no strings after this year. Ariza played here before and is a well liked vet who people like Beal and Wall respect. He might be the one person who can get these guys playing together again. They also get rid of 2 locker room disasters in Oubre and Doc’s kid.

oubre was traded because he's a punk. wizards realized their toxic clubhouse is problematic and have been handcuffed with untradeable players/contracts. basically it's a desperate move by a gm that has no idea how to build a team with players of quality character - soon he'll be chasing the dream in china.

It was for contract reasons. You thought it was Oubre who was stirring the lockerroom with the whole "everyone eats" slogan? Nah, they realized their mistake with overpaying Porter Jr

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[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Embiid is so damn overrated. Everyone calls him an MVP candidate but his impact stats suggest elsewise. He’s a great defender but pretty ‘meh’ on offense—he’s turnover prone and scores at a below league average clip for big men [Embiid has a 57.9 TS%, league average for bigs this year is 59.4%]. Dude just spams his usage and everyone falls for it hook line and sinker.

To be fair, Embiid is playing great considering the pieces around him don't fit at all. The guy is a beast in the low-post, but spacing is all messed up because he's got a PG who can't shoot beyond 10 feet and a wing who needs the ball in his hands all of the time. If he was on a team like ours, he would be destroying teams because you wouldn't be able to double-team the guy. If you did, then Kyrie, Hayward, Tatum, etc are getting wide-open looks from 3. I'm wondering how long it will take for him to get fed up with Simmons and his reluctance to shoot outside of the key. It's only a matter of time before those guys start blaming each other, IMO.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Where's Doc's kid going? Back home to Orlando? They could use a PG. Or back to his daddy in Clipper Land?

[truth18]

Embiid is so damn overrated. Everyone calls him an MVP candidate but his impact stats suggest elsewise. He’s a great defender but pretty ‘meh’ on offense—he’s turnover prone and scores at a below league average clip for big men [Embiid has a 57.9 TS%, league average for bigs this year is 59.4%]. Dude just spams his usage and everyone falls for it hook line and sinker.

I haven't heard one person call him an MVP candidate ever.

He needs to work on his back to basket game.

Everyone who said Embiid would have a career ending injury this/last year (not you) What's good? How does it feel to be wrong again? Please @ me for your crow delivery.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Embiid is so damn overrated. Everyone calls him an MVP candidate but his impact stats suggest elsewise. He’s a great defender but pretty ‘meh’ on offense—he’s turnover prone and scores at a below league average clip for big men [Embiid has a 57.9 TS%, league average for bigs this year is 59.4%]. Dude just spams his usage and everyone falls for it hook line and sinker.

I haven't heard one person call him an MVP candidate ever.

He needs to work on his back to basket game.

Everyone who said Embiid would have a career ending injury this/last year (not you) What's good? How does it feel to be wrong again? Please @ me for your crow delivery.

Google “Embiid MVP”. Many are calling him an MVP candidate. Hes just objectively not there.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Jabari Parker to the Jazz makes a ton of sense for everyone involved

[ballup]

Embiid is so damn overrated. Everyone calls him an MVP candidate but his impact stats suggest elsewise. He’s a great defender but pretty ‘meh’ on offense—he’s turnover prone and scores at a below league average clip for big men [Embiid has a 57.9 TS%, league average for bigs this year is 59.4%]. Dude just spams his usage and everyone falls for it hook line and sinker.

I haven't heard one person call him an MVP candidate ever.

He needs to work on his back to basket game.

Everyone who said Embiid would have a career ending injury this/last year (not you) What's good? How does it feel to be wrong again? Please @ me for your crow delivery.

His back to the basket game is his best offensive asset?

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[truth18]

Embiid is so damn overrated. Everyone calls him an MVP candidate but his impact stats suggest elsewise. He’s a great defender but pretty ‘meh’ on offense—he’s turnover prone and scores at a below league average clip for big men [Embiid has a 57.9 TS%, league average for bigs this year is 59.4%]. Dude just spams his usage and everyone falls for it hook line and sinker.

I haven't heard one person call him an MVP candidate ever.

He needs to work on his back to basket game.

Everyone who said Embiid would have a career ending injury this/last year (not you) What's good? How does it feel to be wrong again? Please @ me for your crow delivery.

Google “Embiid MVP”. Many are calling him an MVP candidate. Hes just objectively not there.

God damn, you're correct. Multiple media outlets with articles on this.

[djFan71]

Oubre needs a new contract next year and the Wiz were NOT paying him (and Wall and Porter and Beal) so they got a guy that literally every single player on this team loves and who also has no strings after this year. Ariza played here before and is a well liked vet who people like Beal and Wall respect. He might be the one person who can get these guys playing together again. They also get rid of 2 locker room disasters in Oubre and Doc’s kid.

oubre was traded because he's a punk. wizards realized their toxic clubhouse is problematic and have been handcuffed with untradeable players/contracts. basically it's a desperate move by a gm that has no idea how to build a team with players of quality character - soon he'll be chasing the dream in china.

It was for contract reasons. You thought it was Oubre who was stirring the lockerroom with the whole "everyone eats" slogan? Nah, they realized their mistake with overpaying Porter Jr

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Oubre is an RFA. They could have just not tendered the QO and let him walk. No different contractually than Ariza.

[Silky]

Embiid is so damn overrated. Everyone calls him an MVP candidate but his impact stats suggest elsewise. He’s a great defender but pretty ‘meh’ on offense—he’s turnover prone and scores at a below league average clip for big men [Embiid has a 57.9 TS%, league average for bigs this year is 59.4%]. Dude just spams his usage and everyone falls for it hook line and sinker.

Now I am no Embiid fan,

but calling him an 'meh' offensive player when in comparison to Al is pretty much equal.

TOV% is almost Identical, Assist% almost identical, shooting quite similar as well.

I wouldnt call that 'meh' offense... especially when Joel is doing it under double teams etc.

[Roddy]

Where's Doc's kid going? Back home to Orlando? They could use a PG. Or back to his daddy in Clipper Land?

I was thinking about Orlando too.

Or maybe the 76ers, they could add another mediocre shooter

[SmartWentCrazy]

Embiid is so damn overrated. Everyone calls him an MVP candidate but his impact stats suggest elsewise. He’s a great defender but pretty ‘meh’ on offense—he’s turnover prone and scores at a below league average clip for big men [Embiid has a 57.9 TS%, league average for bigs this year is 59.4%]. Dude just spams his usage and everyone falls for it hook line and sinker.

Now I am no Embiid fan,

but calling him an 'meh' offensive player when in comparison to Al is pretty much equal.

TOV% is almost Identical, Assist% almost identical, shooting quite similar as well.

I wouldnt call that 'meh' offense... especially when Joel is doing it under double teams etc.

Look beyond a 20 game sample and compare their last three years. Al has significantly better assist and TO%’s and offenses generally function better when he’s on the court.

[Silky]

Embiid is so damn overrated. Everyone calls him an MVP candidate but his impact stats suggest elsewise. He’s a great defender but pretty ‘meh’ on offense—he’s turnover prone and scores at a below league average clip for big men [Embiid has a 57.9 TS%, league average for bigs this year is 59.4%]. Dude just spams his usage and everyone falls for it hook line and sinker.

Now I am no Embiid fan,

but calling him an 'meh' offensive player when in comparison to Al is pretty much equal.

TOV% is almost Identical, Assist% almost identical, shooting quite similar as well.

I wouldnt call that 'meh' offense... especially when Joel is doing it under double teams etc.

Look beyond a 20 game sample and compare their last three years. Al has significantly better assist and TO%’s and offenses generally function better when he’s on the court.

well last season Joel had an asst% of 18. Horford of 23.6, Turnover were basically identical.
season prior yup, horf was definately a better passer and better at protecting the ball


So in Embiids rookie year, a 10 year vet was better at taking care of the ball and moving it, but the young fella has been making really big strides in closing that gap (along with horfords decline) I still dont see him as a 'meh' offensive player.