2020 NBA Draft Thread

[big-shot-ROB]

Some word Wiseman may be falling. Let’s assume he falls to 12 where the Kings sit... does Boston make an offer to move up to that spot and take Wiseman. If so what do they offer. As a Boston and Kings fan I find this interesting.

I don't think Wiseman falls that far. Despite the glaring flaws he has in his game, and the fact that all his advanced stats show that you have to be a multiposition center in order to impacy winning (which Wiseman right now isn't), in this super weak draft anywhere from past beyond 8 is really great value for someone like Wiseman.

I'd say if he's there at 12 I wouldn't mind the Celtics throwing 17, 30, 46 and Edwards/Waters to move up. Having a legit 7 footer with his ability to rim-run and rebound for 4 years (after which Walker's and Hayward's contracts would be all up) wouldn't be a bad move.

Despite that, I'd say if we are trying to make a run with the current roster, we shouldn't fall for the problems we've had in the past of trying to win but at the same time rebuild through prospects. So I'd like to go out of this offseason with experienced bench presence (either draftees or FAs).

I’m just assuming he does. I think the Kings counter with 17, 26 and Langford.

As they should. But I dont think the Cs would pull the trigger. Romeo was the 14th pick in a much stronger draft, so basically you are asking for a 12 for 14+17+26 swap, which I personally wouldn't do.

I just think Langford represents a role that translates better to winning impact than Wiseman does. He is off the books for me, so if that's who you were targeting I think we would need to negotiate further.

[big-shot-ROB]

Disagree, given the state of the Celtics cap going forward. Prospects is exactly what they need, although I share your feelings towards Precious. Not a fan personally. Team needs young, cost controlled talent to fill out the roster with Tatums mega deal looming on the horizon

I'd say we need cheap, veteran cost controlled assets. If we lose Semi, Kanter, Wannamaker and replace them with 3 langfords or more raw prospects, the season is going to be rough.

Getting cheap veterans won't be easy as we've seen this season, with all choosing to go to the likes of the LA teams, Bucks, etc. So I wouldn't mind using a couple of first rounders on sophomores and juniors ready to contribute despite having a potential lower ceiling than other prospects.

If our title hopes rest on guys like Semi, Kanter and Wanamaker then we aren’t anywhere close to a title. Semi was barely in the rotation as is, Wanamaker is extremely replaceable and they can use the MLE to replace Kanter along with internal growth from Williams x2 and even Fall. I was ready to move on from Wanamaker to Waters last year. Absolutely no problem doing it this year.

I don’t mind the picks and prospects because I view this teams window as still a year or two away when Tatum and Brown reach their primes. Hopefully come that time, Hayward and Kemba still have some left in the tank and the youth that the Celtics have develop into productive players or develop enough trade value to add a missing piece.

I'm not going to talk about Fall because I think I have quite a bad opinion of him in terms of ever contributing anything in a playoff atmosphere.

Water falls in the rookie phenomenon: meaning it was amazing when he did good but its flaws were ignored or at least softened by the fact he was a rookie. It happened the same with Tatum and basically all new players in the league.

I just feel like Wannamaker, Kanter, Semi + two veterans are enough for playoff runs. Specially Semi. This will be his 4th year on the league and he knows the system. There's plenty of worse guys that could take the 10th spot.

You're telling me that something like Wannamaker + Reddick + Semi + Marvin Williams + Baynes/Kanter is not a playoff bench? The Warriors basically won 3 chips with no players better than this ones on their bench. I just don't understand what'd you want out of our bench? Lou Will?

We have plenty of powerhouse in our starting unit, we don't need and can't afford anymore than suggested.

Personally, I just don't think there aren't any prospects worth spending a 1st rounder that are going to be high contributors in 2 years time when our players hit their ceiling as a unit. That's why I am embracing to at least trade 2 out of the 3 to get veteran help.

[Homerclease]

I'd say we need cheap, veteran cost controlled assets. If we lose Semi, Kanter, Wannamaker and replace them with 3 langfords or more raw prospects, the season is going to be rough.

Getting cheap veterans won't be easy as we've seen this season, with all choosing to go to the likes of the LA teams, Bucks, etc. So I wouldn't mind using a couple of first rounders on sophomores and juniors ready to contribute despite having a potential lower ceiling than other prospects.

If our title hopes rest on guys like Semi, Kanter and Wanamaker then we aren’t anywhere close to a title. Semi was barely in the rotation as is, Wanamaker is extremely replaceable and they can use the MLE to replace Kanter along with internal growth from Williams x2 and even Fall. I was ready to move on from Wanamaker to Waters last year. Absolutely no problem doing it this year.

I don’t mind the picks and prospects because I view this teams window as still a year or two away when Tatum and Brown reach their primes. Hopefully come that time, Hayward and Kemba still have some left in the tank and the youth that the Celtics have develop into productive players or develop enough trade value to add a missing piece.

I'm not going to talk about Fall because I think I have quite a bad opinion of him in terms of ever contributing anything in a playoff atmosphere.

Water falls in the rookie phenomenon: meaning it was amazing when he did good but its flaws were ignored or at least softened by the fact he was a rookie. It happened the same with Tatum and basically all new players in the league.

I just feel like Wannamaker, Kanter, Semi + two veterans are enough for playoff runs. Specially Semi. This will be his 4th year on the league and he knows the system. There's plenty of worse guys that could take the 10th spot.

You're telling me that something like Wannamaker + Reddick + Semi + Marvin Williams + Baynes/Kanter is not a playoff bench? The Warriors basically won 3 chips with no players better than this ones on their bench. I just don't understand what'd you want out of our bench? Lou Will?

We have plenty of powerhouse in our starting unit, we don't need and can't afford anymore than suggested.

Personally, I just don't think there aren't any prospects worth spending a 1st rounder that are going to be high contributors in 2 years time when our players hit their ceiling as a unit. That's why I am embracing to at least trade 2 out of the 3 to get veteran help.

That’s fine with your take on Fall, he’s a long shot absolutely but the coaching staff and front office have seemed to deem it worthy to take a flier on him. I think he can handle the Poirier towel waver emergency big role just fine.

Waters should get better in years two, three and four which is why I want him to stick around. Personally I think he’s equal to, if not better than Wanamaker as it stands right now, Nevermind 2-3 years down the line which is what the team should be building toward IMO.

They have enough for playoff runs now, but likely second round or ECF exits. I’m not anywhere near as high on our current vets as you. Kanter showed well for himself in the postseason with Portland, would like to see if that’s a fluke or not. He’s a lesser Greg Monroe to me, who was pretty damn good here in his first stint and totally unplayable in the postseason. Semi is barely worthy of holding a spot on an NBA roster much less being in a playoff rotation. The sooner he’s gone the better. I suppose they have the MLE to sign a vet, any other one is coming at the vet minimum and I’m not sure there’s someone out there that caliber that I’d want over the young guys they currently have.

Reddick and Marvin Williams would be nice, they are short term answers though for a team that’s not quite ready to compete at the highest level. The other guys shouldn’t be in playoff rotation at all IMO. The difference between this team and a team like the Warriors is their top end talent was far superior at this juncture than the Celtics. Tatums Star is on the rise, but to compare him to Curry at this point is a disservice. Throw in Klay, Green, Iggy and at the time Barnes and you see where I’m going. The team needs Tatum and Brown to keep getting better while Kemba and Hayward maintain their current level for at least another 3 years.

Agreed we are fine with the starting 5. I’m looking for role players and raw guys with super high ceilings. A few examples would be a 3 point specialist like a Vassell or an athletic freak like Patrick Williams.

I think trading picks for vets is premature at this point, we aren’t quite in a position to go all in for a short term move like that yet. Keep building the roster as a whole and hope to strike gold with a guy who can either help push you over the top or shows enough promise to trade for someone to push you over the top.

Right now, without signing anyone my bench next year would be Robert Williams, Grant Williams, Romeo Langford, Marcus Smart and Tremont Waters. I’m all for throwing the MLE at Harry Giles and if the team comes out of the draft with Vassell, Patrick Williams and another PG to round out the roster I’d be quite pleased

[bucknersrevenge]

Disagree, given the state of the Celtics cap going forward. Prospects is exactly what they need, although I share your feelings towards Precious. Not a fan personally. Team needs young, cost controlled talent to fill out the roster with Tatums mega deal looming on the horizon

I'd say we need cheap, veteran cost controlled assets. If we lose Semi, Kanter, Wannamaker and replace them with 3 langfords or more raw prospects, the season is going to be rough.

Getting cheap veterans won't be easy as we've seen this season, with all choosing to go to the likes of the LA teams, Bucks, etc. So I wouldn't mind using a couple of first rounders on sophomores and juniors ready to contribute despite having a potential lower ceiling than other prospects.

If our title hopes rest on guys like Semi, Kanter and Wanamaker then we aren’t anywhere close to a title. Semi was barely in the rotation as is, Wanamaker is extremely replaceable and they can use the MLE to replace Kanter along with internal growth from Williams x2 and even Fall. I was ready to move on from Wanamaker to Waters last year. Absolutely no problem doing it this year.

I don’t mind the picks and prospects because I view this teams window as still a year or two away when Tatum and Brown reach their primes. Hopefully come that time, Hayward and Kemba still have some left in the tank and the youth that the Celtics have develop into productive players or develop enough trade value to add a missing piece.

I think our title hopes rest on Tatum, Walker, Brown, Hayward, and Smart. So we're probably good. Otherwise, I agree with Waters being ready next year to take over from Wanamaker.

[Parliament10]

If our title hopes rest on guys like Semi, Kanter and Wanamaker then we aren’t anywhere close to a title. Semi was barely in the rotation as is, Wanamaker is extremely replaceable and they can use the MLE to replace Kanter along with internal growth from Williams x2 and even Fall. I was ready to move on from Wanamaker to Waters last year. Absolutely no problem doing it this year.

I don’t mind the picks and prospects because I view this teams window as still a year or two away when Tatum and Brown reach their primes. Hopefully come that time, Hayward and Kemba still have some left in the tank and the youth that the Celtics have develop into productive players or develop enough trade value to add a missing piece.

I'm not going to talk about Fall because I think I have quite a bad opinion of him in terms of ever contributing anything in a playoff atmosphere.

Water falls in the rookie phenomenon: meaning it was amazing when he did good but its flaws were ignored or at least softened by the fact he was a rookie. It happened the same with Tatum and basically all new players in the league.

I just feel like Wannamaker, Kanter, Semi + two veterans are enough for playoff runs. Specially Semi. This will be his 4th year on the league and he knows the system. There's plenty of worse guys that could take the 10th spot.

You're telling me that something like Wannamaker + Reddick + Semi + Marvin Williams + Baynes/Kanter is not a playoff bench? The Warriors basically won 3 chips with no players better than this ones on their bench. I just don't understand what'd you want out of our bench? Lou Will?

We have plenty of powerhouse in our starting unit, we don't need and can't afford anymore than suggested.

Personally, I just don't think there aren't any prospects worth spending a 1st rounder that are going to be high contributors in 2 years time when our players hit their ceiling as a unit. That's why I am embracing to at least trade 2 out of the 3 to get veteran help.

That’s fine with your take on Fall, he’s a long shot absolutely but the coaching staff and front office have seemed to deem it worthy to take a flier on him. I think he can handle the Poirier towel waver emergency big role just fine.

Waters should get better in years two, three and four which is why I want him to stick around. Personally I think he’s equal to, if not better than Wanamaker as it stands right now, Nevermind 2-3 years down the line which is what the team should be building toward IMO.

They have enough for playoff runs now, but likely second round or ECF exits. I’m not anywhere near as high on our current vets as you. Kanter showed well for himself in the postseason with Portland, would like to see if that’s a fluke or not. He’s a lesser Greg Monroe to me, who was pretty damn good here in his first stint and totally unplayable in the postseason. Semi is barely worthy of holding a spot on an NBA roster much less being in a playoff rotation. The sooner he’s gone the better. I suppose they have the MLE to sign a vet, any other one is coming at the vet minimum and I’m not sure there’s someone out there that caliber that I’d want over the young guys they currently have.

Reddick and Marvin Williams would be nice, they are short term answers though for a team that’s not quite ready to compete at the highest level. The other guys shouldn’t be in playoff rotation at all IMO. The difference between this team and a team like the Warriors is their top end talent was far superior at this juncture than the Celtics. Tatums Star is on the rise, but to compare him to Curry at this point is a disservice. Throw in Klay, Green, Iggy and at the time Barnes and you see where I’m going. The team needs Tatum and Brown to keep getting better while Kemba and Hayward maintain their current level for at least another 3 years.

Agreed we are fine with the starting 5. I’m looking for role players and raw guys with super high ceilings. A few examples would be a 3 point specialist like a Vassell or an athletic freak like Patrick Williams.

I think trading picks for vets is premature at this point, we aren’t quite in a position to go all in for a short term move like that yet. Keep building the roster as a whole and hope to strike gold with a guy who can either help push you over the top or shows enough promise to trade for someone to push you over the top.

Right now, without signing anyone my bench next year would be Robert Williams, Grant Williams, Romeo Langford, Marcus Smart and Tremont Waters. I’m all for throwing the MLE at Harry Giles and if the team comes out of the draft with Vassell, Patrick Williams and another PG to round out the roster I’d be quite pleased

Like you, I'm fine with most of our Current Roster. Having them stepping it up next season.
I'm not that high on keeping Hayward. But if we do, then we do.

I'd actually prefer to see someone else in the PF/(Small C) role, and have Tatum be a SF/PF.
The Bench going forward, we seem to be in exact agreement.

I think that these young guys have some more growning pains to go through.
With Smart Anchoring the 2nd Unit, we should be fine.

The 3rd Unit (players 11-15) is where things start to get tricky. Those are the projects, or experimental options.
I've been saying this in other posts, but Poirier has impressed me with his 3pt shooting in the G-League.


Proposed Rotation, 2020-21:
Kemba - Brown - Tatum - (XXXX) - Theis
Waters - Smart - Langford - G.Williams - R.Williams/(Kanter)
(Rookie) - Edwards - Poirier - Fall

Maine Red Claws = (Rookie), (Rookie)

[Homerclease]

I'd say we need cheap, veteran cost controlled assets. If we lose Semi, Kanter, Wannamaker and replace them with 3 langfords or more raw prospects, the season is going to be rough.

Getting cheap veterans won't be easy as we've seen this season, with all choosing to go to the likes of the LA teams, Bucks, etc. So I wouldn't mind using a couple of first rounders on sophomores and juniors ready to contribute despite having a potential lower ceiling than other prospects.

If our title hopes rest on guys like Semi, Kanter and Wanamaker then we aren’t anywhere close to a title. Semi was barely in the rotation as is, Wanamaker is extremely replaceable and they can use the MLE to replace Kanter along with internal growth from Williams x2 and even Fall. I was ready to move on from Wanamaker to Waters last year. Absolutely no problem doing it this year.

I don’t mind the picks and prospects because I view this teams window as still a year or two away when Tatum and Brown reach their primes. Hopefully come that time, Hayward and Kemba still have some left in the tank and the youth that the Celtics have develop into productive players or develop enough trade value to add a missing piece.

I think our title hopes rest on Tatum, Walker, Brown, Hayward, and Smart. So we're probably good. Otherwise, I agree with Waters being ready next year to take over from Wanamaker.

Id even narrow down that top 5 to just Tatum. The team is ready for title contention when Tatum is ready. That could be as soon as next year but more likely 2-3 years from now. The larger point was, none of the guys bolded should be seeing minutes on a playoff contender period.

[Homerclease]

I'm not going to talk about Fall because I think I have quite a bad opinion of him in terms of ever contributing anything in a playoff atmosphere.

Water falls in the rookie phenomenon: meaning it was amazing when he did good but its flaws were ignored or at least softened by the fact he was a rookie. It happened the same with Tatum and basically all new players in the league.

I just feel like Wannamaker, Kanter, Semi + two veterans are enough for playoff runs. Specially Semi. This will be his 4th year on the league and he knows the system. There's plenty of worse guys that could take the 10th spot.

You're telling me that something like Wannamaker + Reddick + Semi + Marvin Williams + Baynes/Kanter is not a playoff bench? The Warriors basically won 3 chips with no players better than this ones on their bench. I just don't understand what'd you want out of our bench? Lou Will?

We have plenty of powerhouse in our starting unit, we don't need and can't afford anymore than suggested.

Personally, I just don't think there aren't any prospects worth spending a 1st rounder that are going to be high contributors in 2 years time when our players hit their ceiling as a unit. That's why I am embracing to at least trade 2 out of the 3 to get veteran help.

That’s fine with your take on Fall, he’s a long shot absolutely but the coaching staff and front office have seemed to deem it worthy to take a flier on him. I think he can handle the Poirier towel waver emergency big role just fine.

Waters should get better in years two, three and four which is why I want him to stick around. Personally I think he’s equal to, if not better than Wanamaker as it stands right now, Nevermind 2-3 years down the line which is what the team should be building toward IMO.

They have enough for playoff runs now, but likely second round or ECF exits. I’m not anywhere near as high on our current vets as you. Kanter showed well for himself in the postseason with Portland, would like to see if that’s a fluke or not. He’s a lesser Greg Monroe to me, who was pretty damn good here in his first stint and totally unplayable in the postseason. Semi is barely worthy of holding a spot on an NBA roster much less being in a playoff rotation. The sooner he’s gone the better. I suppose they have the MLE to sign a vet, any other one is coming at the vet minimum and I’m not sure there’s someone out there that caliber that I’d want over the young guys they currently have.

Reddick and Marvin Williams would be nice, they are short term answers though for a team that’s not quite ready to compete at the highest level. The other guys shouldn’t be in playoff rotation at all IMO. The difference between this team and a team like the Warriors is their top end talent was far superior at this juncture than the Celtics. Tatums Star is on the rise, but to compare him to Curry at this point is a disservice. Throw in Klay, Green, Iggy and at the time Barnes and you see where I’m going. The team needs Tatum and Brown to keep getting better while Kemba and Hayward maintain their current level for at least another 3 years.

Agreed we are fine with the starting 5. I’m looking for role players and raw guys with super high ceilings. A few examples would be a 3 point specialist like a Vassell or an athletic freak like Patrick Williams.

I think trading picks for vets is premature at this point, we aren’t quite in a position to go all in for a short term move like that yet. Keep building the roster as a whole and hope to strike gold with a guy who can either help push you over the top or shows enough promise to trade for someone to push you over the top.

Right now, without signing anyone my bench next year would be Robert Williams, Grant Williams, Romeo Langford, Marcus Smart and Tremont Waters. I’m all for throwing the MLE at Harry Giles and if the team comes out of the draft with Vassell, Patrick Williams and another PG to round out the roster I’d be quite pleased

Like you, I'm fine with most of our Current Roster. Having them stepping it up next season.
I'm not that high on keeping Hayward. But if we do, then we do.

I'd actually prefer to see someone else in the PF/(Small C) role, and have Tatum be a SF/PF.
The Bench going forward, we seem to be in exact agreement.

I think that these young guys have some more growning pains to go through.
With Smart Anchoring the 2nd Unit, we should be fine.

The 3rd Unit (players 11-15) is where things start to get tricky. Those are the projects, or experimental options.
I've been saying this in other posts, but Poirier has impressed me with his 3pt shooting in the G-League.


Proposed Rotation, 2020-21:
Kemba - Brown - Tatum - (XXXX) - Theis
Waters - Smart - Langford - G.Williams - R.Williams/(Kanter)
(Rookie) - Edwards - Poirier - Fall

Maine Red Claws = (Rookie), (Rookie)

Giles is the guy I’d like to see as the PF/ small ball 5 that you speak of. I’m also fine with Tatum staying in his current role as his body fills out and he adds more strength.

Agreed that the young guys need time, and minutes too. Play them and let them experience the growing pains.

Poirier is just too slow and unskilled for me. Even if he can hit the odd 3 here and there, the guy has nothing on a guy like Theis that can actually move at an NBA level. I’d prefer Poiriers roster spot go to someone else and Vinny go back to France

[Parliament10]

That’s fine with your take on Fall, he’s a long shot absolutely but the coaching staff and front office have seemed to deem it worthy to take a flier on him. I think he can handle the Poirier towel waver emergency big role just fine.

Waters should get better in years two, three and four which is why I want him to stick around. Personally I think he’s equal to, if not better than Wanamaker as it stands right now, Nevermind 2-3 years down the line which is what the team should be building toward IMO.

They have enough for playoff runs now, but likely second round or ECF exits. I’m not anywhere near as high on our current vets as you. Kanter showed well for himself in the postseason with Portland, would like to see if that’s a fluke or not. He’s a lesser Greg Monroe to me, who was pretty damn good here in his first stint and totally unplayable in the postseason. Semi is barely worthy of holding a spot on an NBA roster much less being in a playoff rotation. The sooner he’s gone the better. I suppose they have the MLE to sign a vet, any other one is coming at the vet minimum and I’m not sure there’s someone out there that caliber that I’d want over the young guys they currently have.

Reddick and Marvin Williams would be nice, they are short term answers though for a team that’s not quite ready to compete at the highest level. The other guys shouldn’t be in playoff rotation at all IMO. The difference between this team and a team like the Warriors is their top end talent was far superior at this juncture than the Celtics. Tatums Star is on the rise, but to compare him to Curry at this point is a disservice. Throw in Klay, Green, Iggy and at the time Barnes and you see where I’m going. The team needs Tatum and Brown to keep getting better while Kemba and Hayward maintain their current level for at least another 3 years.

Agreed we are fine with the starting 5. I’m looking for role players and raw guys with super high ceilings. A few examples would be a 3 point specialist like a Vassell or an athletic freak like Patrick Williams.

I think trading picks for vets is premature at this point, we aren’t quite in a position to go all in for a short term move like that yet. Keep building the roster as a whole and hope to strike gold with a guy who can either help push you over the top or shows enough promise to trade for someone to push you over the top.

Right now, without signing anyone my bench next year would be Robert Williams, Grant Williams, Romeo Langford, Marcus Smart and Tremont Waters. I’m all for throwing the MLE at Harry Giles and if the team comes out of the draft with Vassell, Patrick Williams and another PG to round out the roster I’d be quite pleased

Like you, I'm fine with most of our Current Roster. Having them stepping it up next season.
I'm not that high on keeping Hayward. But if we do, then we do.

I'd actually prefer to see someone else in the PF/(Small C) role, and have Tatum be a SF/PF.
The Bench going forward, we seem to be in exact agreement.

I think that these young guys have some more growning pains to go through.
With Smart Anchoring the 2nd Unit, we should be fine.

The 3rd Unit (players 11-15) is where things start to get tricky. Those are the projects, or experimental options.
I've been saying this in other posts, but Poirier has impressed me with his 3pt shooting in the G-League.


Proposed Rotation, 2020-21:
Kemba - Brown - Tatum - (XXXX) - Theis
Waters - Smart - Langford - G.Williams - R.Williams/(Kanter)
(Rookie) - Edwards - Poirier - Fall

Maine Red Claws = (Rookie), (Rookie)

Giles is the guy I’d like to see as the PF/ small ball 5 that you speak of. I’m also fine with Tatum staying in his current role as his body fills out and he adds more strength.

Agreed that the young guys need time, and minutes too. Play them and let them experience the growing pains.

Poirier is just too slow and unskilled for me. Even if he can hit the odd 3 here and there, the guy has nothing on a guy like Theis that can actually move at an NBA level. I’d prefer Poiriers roster spot go to someone else and Vinny go back to France

That actually does look interesting. And Giles is young (22), he could grow with the team.
This could be a capable Squad.


Proposed Rotation, 2020-21:
Kemba - Brown - Tatum - (Giles) - Theis
Waters - Smart - Langford - G.Williams - R.Williams/(Kanter)
(Rookie) - Edwards - (Rookie) - Fall

Maine Red Claws = (Rookie), (Rookie)

[100proof]

If hayward is gone there are alot better options at pf than giles.

Team would have full mle and the picks.

[Parliament10]

If hayward is gone there are alot better options at pf than giles.

Team would have full mle and the picks.

I don't think that we'll have the non-taxpayer MLE. But, who do you suggest?

[Sactowndog]

That’s fine with your take on Fall, he’s a long shot absolutely but the coaching staff and front office have seemed to deem it worthy to take a flier on him. I think he can handle the Poirier towel waver emergency big role just fine.

Waters should get better in years two, three and four which is why I want him to stick around. Personally I think he’s equal to, if not better than Wanamaker as it stands right now, Nevermind 2-3 years down the line which is what the team should be building toward IMO.

They have enough for playoff runs now, but likely second round or ECF exits. I’m not anywhere near as high on our current vets as you. Kanter showed well for himself in the postseason with Portland, would like to see if that’s a fluke or not. He’s a lesser Greg Monroe to me, who was pretty damn good here in his first stint and totally unplayable in the postseason. Semi is barely worthy of holding a spot on an NBA roster much less being in a playoff rotation. The sooner he’s gone the better. I suppose they have the MLE to sign a vet, any other one is coming at the vet minimum and I’m not sure there’s someone out there that caliber that I’d want over the young guys they currently have.

Reddick and Marvin Williams would be nice, they are short term answers though for a team that’s not quite ready to compete at the highest level. The other guys shouldn’t be in playoff rotation at all IMO. The difference between this team and a team like the Warriors is their top end talent was far superior at this juncture than the Celtics. Tatums Star is on the rise, but to compare him to Curry at this point is a disservice. Throw in Klay, Green, Iggy and at the time Barnes and you see where I’m going. The team needs Tatum and Brown to keep getting better while Kemba and Hayward maintain their current level for at least another 3 years.

Agreed we are fine with the starting 5. I’m looking for role players and raw guys with super high ceilings. A few examples would be a 3 point specialist like a Vassell or an athletic freak like Patrick Williams.

I think trading picks for vets is premature at this point, we aren’t quite in a position to go all in for a short term move like that yet. Keep building the roster as a whole and hope to strike gold with a guy who can either help push you over the top or shows enough promise to trade for someone to push you over the top.

Right now, without signing anyone my bench next year would be Robert Williams, Grant Williams, Romeo Langford, Marcus Smart and Tremont Waters. I’m all for throwing the MLE at Harry Giles and if the team comes out of the draft with Vassell, Patrick Williams and another PG to round out the roster I’d be quite pleased

Like you, I'm fine with most of our Current Roster. Having them stepping it up next season.
I'm not that high on keeping Hayward. But if we do, then we do.

I'd actually prefer to see someone else in the PF/(Small C) role, and have Tatum be a SF/PF.
The Bench going forward, we seem to be in exact agreement.

I think that these young guys have some more growning pains to go through.
With Smart Anchoring the 2nd Unit, we should be fine.

The 3rd Unit (players 11-15) is where things start to get tricky. Those are the projects, or experimental options.
I've been saying this in other posts, but Poirier has impressed me with his 3pt shooting in the G-League.


Proposed Rotation, 2020-21:
Kemba - Brown - Tatum - (XXXX) - Theis
Waters - Smart - Langford - G.Williams - R.Williams/(Kanter)
(Rookie) - Edwards - Poirier - Fall

Maine Red Claws = (Rookie), (Rookie)

Giles is the guy I’d like to see as the PF/ small ball 5 that you speak of. I’m also fine with Tatum staying in his current role as his body fills out and he adds more strength.

Agreed that the young guys need time, and minutes too. Play them and let them experience the growing pains.

Poirier is just too slow and unskilled for me. Even if he can hit the odd 3 here and there, the guy has nothing on a guy like Theis that can actually move at an NBA level. I’d prefer Poiriers roster spot go to someone else and Vinny go back to France

What is Boston willing to pay? The Kings will match or beat anything under the $4M that are capped at. Most Kings fans are pissed Giles option wasn’t picked up. Giles and Sac fans have a mutual love affair but if he goes anywhere I hope it’s Boston.

[100proof]

If hayward is gone there are alot better options at pf than giles.

Team would have full mle and the picks.

I don't think that we'll have the non-taxpayer MLE. But, who do you suggest?

We could have more.

And i would limit my search for just a pf.

I think center and bench is what needs a clear upgrade

Depending on the draft, i think a solid bench scorer can be had there, (nesmith, maledon, hampton at memphis pick) if Romeo can be anything at all resembling a top 8 player on a team next season i would look at upgrading the starting center position.


Baynes is someone I would contact at 1201am if I can get a scorer ar pg/sf in the draft. I think full mle can get you baynes and a depth sf or pg, again depending on draft.

Smart is the 5th starter and theis goes to bench with grant williams.

Kemba/smart/brown/baynes

Brad?/romeo/nesmith/grant/theis

[31to6]

If our title hopes rest on guys like Semi, Kanter and Wanamaker then we aren’t anywhere close to a title. Semi was barely in the rotation as is, Wanamaker is extremely replaceable and they can use the MLE to replace Kanter along with internal growth from Williams x2 and even Fall. I was ready to move on from Wanamaker to Waters last year. Absolutely no problem doing it this year.

I don’t mind the picks and prospects because I view this teams window as still a year or two away when Tatum and Brown reach their primes. Hopefully come that time, Hayward and Kemba still have some left in the tank and the youth that the Celtics have develop into productive players or develop enough trade value to add a missing piece.

I think our title hopes rest on Tatum, Walker, Brown, Hayward, and Smart. So we're probably good. Otherwise, I agree with Waters being ready next year to take over from Wanamaker.

Id even narrow down that top 5 to just Tatum. The team is ready for title contention when Tatum is ready. That could be as soon as next year but more likely 2-3 years from now. The larger point was, none of the guys bolded should be seeing minutes on a playoff contender period.

****, I’d forgotten that Tatum was blossoming into a superstar. I was really enjoying that. Can we get back to that please? DAMN YOU MURDER HORNETS

[Homerclease]

Like you, I'm fine with most of our Current Roster. Having them stepping it up next season.
I'm not that high on keeping Hayward. But if we do, then we do.

I'd actually prefer to see someone else in the PF/(Small C) role, and have Tatum be a SF/PF.
The Bench going forward, we seem to be in exact agreement.

I think that these young guys have some more growning pains to go through.
With Smart Anchoring the 2nd Unit, we should be fine.

The 3rd Unit (players 11-15) is where things start to get tricky. Those are the projects, or experimental options.
I've been saying this in other posts, but Poirier has impressed me with his 3pt shooting in the G-League.


Proposed Rotation, 2020-21:
Kemba - Brown - Tatum - (XXXX) - Theis
Waters - Smart - Langford - G.Williams - R.Williams/(Kanter)
(Rookie) - Edwards - Poirier - Fall

Maine Red Claws = (Rookie), (Rookie)

Giles is the guy I’d like to see as the PF/ small ball 5 that you speak of. I’m also fine with Tatum staying in his current role as his body fills out and he adds more strength.

Agreed that the young guys need time, and minutes too. Play them and let them experience the growing pains.

Poirier is just too slow and unskilled for me. Even if he can hit the odd 3 here and there, the guy has nothing on a guy like Theis that can actually move at an NBA level. I’d prefer Poiriers roster spot go to someone else and Vinny go back to France

What is Boston willing to pay? The Kings will match or beat anything under the $4M that are capped at. Most Kings fans are pissed Giles option wasn’t picked up. Giles and Sac fans have a mutual love affair but if he goes anywhere I hope it’s Boston.

I think the most Boston could offer is the taxpayer MLE assuming Hayward either opts in or resigns. If Hayward walks, they have the full MLE at their disposal and personally I’d offer all of it at 4 years. I’ve been stanning for Giles since 2017 though so I’ll admit being totally biased on this one. Kid is only 22, is best friends with our superstar player, has a pathway to a future starting role here on a winning team, can pass out of the high post like Horford did for us and has range out to the 3 point line. Tbh I’m fully expecting Tatum to deliver him to us in free agency

[Sactowndog]

Giles is the guy I’d like to see as the PF/ small ball 5 that you speak of. I’m also fine with Tatum staying in his current role as his body fills out and he adds more strength.

Agreed that the young guys need time, and minutes too. Play them and let them experience the growing pains.

Poirier is just too slow and unskilled for me. Even if he can hit the odd 3 here and there, the guy has nothing on a guy like Theis that can actually move at an NBA level. I’d prefer Poiriers roster spot go to someone else and Vinny go back to France

What is Boston willing to pay? The Kings will match or beat anything under the $4M that are capped at. Most Kings fans are pissed Giles option wasn’t picked up. Giles and Sac fans have a mutual love affair but if he goes anywhere I hope it’s Boston.

I think the most Boston could offer is the taxpayer MLE assuming Hayward either opts in or resigns. If Hayward walks, they have the full MLE at their disposal and personally I’d offer all of it at 4 years. I’ve been stanning for Giles since 2017 though so I’ll admit being totally biased on this one. Kid is only 22, is best friends with our superstar player, has a pathway to a future starting role here on a winning team, can pass out of the high post like Horford did for us and has range out to the 3 point line. Tbh I’m fully expecting Tatum to deliver him to us in free agency

Well if Boston offers the MLE it’s more than the Kings can offer. To be fair his range at best today is the elbow. In fact, teams were so worried about his passing on back cuts they gave him 4 ft of space and dared him to hit the 12-15 footer. If he starts doing that consistently it will open up the passing lanes for Brown and Tatum.

[Sactowndog]

I don't think Wiseman falls that far. Despite the glaring flaws he has in his game, and the fact that all his advanced stats show that you have to be a multiposition center in order to impacy winning (which Wiseman right now isn't), in this super weak draft anywhere from past beyond 8 is really great value for someone like Wiseman.

I'd say if he's there at 12 I wouldn't mind the Celtics throwing 17, 30, 46 and Edwards/Waters to move up. Having a legit 7 footer with his ability to rim-run and rebound for 4 years (after which Walker's and Hayward's contracts would be all up) wouldn't be a bad move.

Despite that, I'd say if we are trying to make a run with the current roster, we shouldn't fall for the problems we've had in the past of trying to win but at the same time rebuild through prospects. So I'd like to go out of this offseason with experienced bench presence (either draftees or FAs).

I’m just assuming he does. I think the Kings counter with 17, 26 and Langford.

As they should. But I dont think the Cs would pull the trigger. Romeo was the 14th pick in a much stronger draft, so basically you are asking for a 12 for 14+17+26 swap, which I personally wouldn't do.

I just think Langford represents a role that translates better to winning impact than Wiseman does. He is off the books for me, so if that's who you were targeting I think we would need to negotiate further.

I would guess the Kings consider to trade out if Vassell and Nesmith are gone and a big is there. But the conversation will start with Langford. At best they may go Langford, 17, 30 for 12, 35. Honestly, I think it’s not a bad deal for Boston. They don’t have much room for Langford and 30-35 might be okay as they don’t have first round guaranteed money to worry about.

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I’m just assuming he does. I think the Kings counter with 17, 26 and Langford.

As they should. But I dont think the Cs would pull the trigger. Romeo was the 14th pick in a much stronger draft, so basically you are asking for a 12 for 14+17+26 swap, which I personally wouldn't do.

I just think Langford represents a role that translates better to winning impact than Wiseman does. He is off the books for me, so if that's who you were targeting I think we would need to negotiate further.

I would guess the Kings consider to trade out if Vassell and Nesmith are gone and a big is there. But the conversation will start with Langford. At best they may go Langford, 17, 30 for 12, 35. Honestly, I think it’s not a bad deal for Boston. They don’t have much room for Langford and 30-35 might be okay as they don’t have first round guaranteed money to worry about.

Still feels like a huge overpay given the current state of the draft this year.

[bucknersrevenge]

Giles is the guy I’d like to see as the PF/ small ball 5 that you speak of. I’m also fine with Tatum staying in his current role as his body fills out and he adds more strength.

Agreed that the young guys need time, and minutes too. Play them and let them experience the growing pains.

Poirier is just too slow and unskilled for me. Even if he can hit the odd 3 here and there, the guy has nothing on a guy like Theis that can actually move at an NBA level. I’d prefer Poiriers roster spot go to someone else and Vinny go back to France

What is Boston willing to pay? The Kings will match or beat anything under the $4M that are capped at. Most Kings fans are pissed Giles option wasn’t picked up. Giles and Sac fans have a mutual love affair but if he goes anywhere I hope it’s Boston.

I think the most Boston could offer is the taxpayer MLE assuming Hayward either opts in or resigns. If Hayward walks, they have the full MLE at their disposal and personally I’d offer all of it at 4 years. I’ve been stanning for Giles since 2017 though so I’ll admit being totally biased on this one. Kid is only 22, is best friends with our superstar player, has a pathway to a future starting role here on a winning team, can pass out of the high post like Horford did for us and has range out to the 3 point line. Tbh I’m fully expecting Tatum to deliver him to us in free agency

I'm a fan of Giles as well for all the reasons you stated here. That said, he was atrocious defensively this year. Like REALLY bad. It would be interesting to see if Danny and Brad liked him that much.

https://aroyalpain.com/2020/05/02/sacramento-kings-report-card-harry-giles/3/

Atrocious Defense
Of 350 eligible players per Synergy, Harry Giles allows the 342nd highest opponent field goal percentage around the basket (65.8 percent). He also commits the 8th most fouls per 36 (6.2) in the association, of those with a minimum of ten minutes per outing.

Aside from Kyle Guy and Marvin Bagley, who both saw extremely limited playing time, Sacramento’s defensive rating is worst with Harry Giles on the floor, at 114.3. Opposition’s effective field goal percentage raises 1.7 percent overall and an absurd 13.7 percent better at the rim with Harry Giles on the floor compared to off.

Sensing a trend here? Just how terrifyingly bad Harry Giles is on the defensive end is hard to overlook, even with his stellar offensive contributions.

He is regularly found in insufficient positions to protect the rim and his seemingly endless energy causes more harm than good in the form of fouls that frustrate Walton, the fans, Giles, and his teammates alike.

That said, he's a classic "buy low" kind of asset who could appreciate tremendously in the right place.

[big-shot-ROB]

Yeah, I don't really get the love for Giles.

He is basically in the Josh Jackson, Marqueese Chris territory (minus the attitude issues).

I'd throw the MLE to Kennard over Giles to be honest. At least you know you are getting some reliable impact areas and not a completly wildcard.

[big-shot-ROB]

Yeah, I don't really get the love for Giles.

He is basically in the Josh Jackson, Marqueese Chris territory (minus the attitude issues).

I'd throw the MLE to Kennard over Giles to be honest. At least you know you are getting some reliable impact areas and not a completly wildcard.

Ignore it, I thought Kennard had the QO this year.