2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 -- (8PM, Wed, Nov. 18, ESPN)

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[SmartWentCrazy]

Toppin is similar to John Collins or Amare to me; if he gets in the right environment, he’ll be great. But if he goes to Cleveland or Detroit or DC, he’s a bust waiting to happen. He needs a system that will hold him accountable defensively to get him as close to league average as possible.

If you're comparing Toppin to these two then the extent to which we disagree on Toppin is much larger that I would've imagined, and I guess in 2 years it'll be apparent if he can eventually become a borderline all-star (he will become an all-star one day) or all-star like Collins or Amare.

I have no doubt he'll make highlight reels. In his rookie year he'll fill up the stat sheet more than most other rookies, and be talked about as a future hall of famer. He'll hit some big shots and no one will talk about his defense until some important playoff series down the road where he'll get targeted and be labelled a liability.

I could be wrong. I hope I am. I wish the best for him.

FWIW I think Collins and Amare would both have eventually succeeded in the NBA regardless of which team they ended up on.

He's not going to bust anywhere near as badly as Cole Anthony who might not even be in the league in 5 years

We agree on Cole, FWIW.

I’m talking ceiling as those two relative to Obi. And I disagree on the team element— I think Collins going to Atlanta is a huge reason he became who he is today— they empowered him to expand his range and fostered his growth. MDA, too, was instrumental in Amare becoming the offensive force he became. Both guys were poor defenders that couldve been buried for their d. They were empowered while also being held accountable. Not every situation will do that. Cleveland, Detroit, NY or Washington will destroy Obi. I hope he doesnt go there. SA would be amazing for him. So much is situationally dependent IMO.

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This seem restrictive if you have three first round picks.

[CelticsPride18]

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This seem restrictive if you have three first round picks.

We won’t heard many leaks because of this. This draft will be crazy

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cool. bit of a FVV vibe to him,

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[captain green]

There are shooters at 5 through 47 that you can get why not get one that also plays d. That leaves us with Nesmith, s bey, halliburton, bane, and I guess vassell. That means the tiny shooters can go piss up a rope we grabbed one last year. Swear I'll be livid if we draft under 6'4 this year we don't need it it doesn't tilt the game we need mobile big that can move laterally and wing that can hit 3's.

[snowman]

There are shooters at 5 through 47 that you can get why not get one that also plays d. That leaves us with Nesmith, s bey, halliburton, bane, and I guess vassell. That means the tiny shooters can go piss up a rope we grabbed one last year. Swear I'll be livid if we draft under 6'4 this year we don't need it it doesn't tilt the game we need mobile big that can move laterally and wing that can hit 3's.

+1000 from me dude. S. Bey, Nesmith or Vassell. I just hope one of them is available at 14. I prefer S. Bey due to size, but we need a knock down 3 pt. shooter more than anything. Then get the big and back up point with the 26 and 30.

[Celts17Pride]

Celtics are rumored to have met or interviewed with Grant Riller, Payton Pritchard and Tyrell Terry so far.

Sure looks like they are targeting a point guard with the #26 pick to me. Goodbye Brad Wanamaker!

[Darth Celtic]

Celtics are rumored to have met or interviewed with Grant Riller, Payton Pritchard and Tyrell Terry so far.

Sure looks like they are targeting a point guard with the #26 pick to me. Goodbye Brad Wanamaker!

Yeah. Brad did what he did well but would never be more than journey man.

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[playa-hater]

I would be happy with Aaron Nesmith or Saddiq Bey, but I don't think Nesmith will be there at 14. He's 2 inches shorter than Saddiq Bey but I would think Nesmith would play shooting guard for us, and Bey would play small forward. I was just thinking that with Langford backing up Brown at SG, Saddiq Bey would be better for us as a back up to Hayward or Tatum than Nesmith would simply due to size. But I really hope we get one of these 2 for some shooting off the bench which we desperately need. How many of you thought that during the Miami series " Why great it would be to have a Robinson or Herro on this team" ?

I'm afraid Saddiq Bey might not be there at 14 as well. He just screams "Spurs guy" to me.

Regarding Robinson and Herro and in past years for other teams like Belinelli, Reddick, Korver etc., I wonder why DA never tried to get a pure 3 point specialist when every other elite team is always hunting for one. These type of guys may be streaky as heck and could give you just 5 points in one game, but in those games when they're feeling it, they'd go off for something like 26 points, and they could win you that important playoff game. Think Olynyk in a game 7 a few years back. The Celtics need someone like that off the bench. Maybe if Hayward embraces a role like that next year?

He did. Carsen Edwards was the best scorer in the draft last year. Brad just really struggled to utilize him. Brad has a lot of work to do to learn how to incorporate players that don't fit his "system" to a tee. He has his box, and he never really goes outside it. Miami is an innovative franchise that identifies, develops, and utilizes all sorts of talents at a high level. His resume isn't strong enough to allow his "system" to override all talent concerns IMHO.

sadly I agree with this..

[playa-hater]

Toppin is similar to John Collins or Amare to me; if he gets in the right environment, he’ll be great. But if he goes to Cleveland or Detroit or DC, he’s a bust waiting to happen. He needs a system that will hold him accountable defensively to get him as close to league average as possible.

If you're comparing Toppin to these two then the extent to which we disagree on Toppin is much larger that I would've imagined, and I guess in 2 years it'll be apparent if he can eventually become a borderline all-star (he will become an all-star one day) or all-star like Collins or Amare.

I have no doubt he'll make highlight reels. In his rookie year he'll fill up the stat sheet more than most other rookies, and be talked about as a future hall of famer. He'll hit some big shots and no one will talk about his defense until some important playoff series down the road where he'll get targeted and be labelled a liability.

I could be wrong. I hope I am. I wish the best for him.

FWIW I think Collins and Amare would both have eventually succeeded in the NBA regardless of which team they ended up on.

He's not going to bust anywhere near as badly as Cole Anthony who might not even be in the league in 5 years

is it possible that the real value of Topin is somewhere in the middle?? You guys seem to be extreme on both ends..

[playa-hater]

There are shooters at 5 through 47 that you can get why not get one that also plays d. That leaves us with Nesmith, s bey, halliburton, bane, and I guess vassell. That means the tiny shooters can go piss up a rope we grabbed one last year. Swear I'll be livid if we draft under 6'4 this year we don't need it it doesn't tilt the game we need mobile big that can move laterally and wing that can hit 3's.

you are another member to my thoughts exactly club!!

[playa-hater]

There are shooters at 5 through 47 that you can get why not get one that also plays d. That leaves us with Nesmith, s bey, halliburton, bane, and I guess vassell. That means the tiny shooters can go piss up a rope we grabbed one last year. Swear I'll be livid if we draft under 6'4 this year we don't need it it doesn't tilt the game we need mobile big that can move laterally and wing that can hit 3's.

+1000 from me dude. S. Bey, Nesmith or Vassell. I just hope one of them is available at 14. I prefer S. Bey due to size, but we need a knock down 3 pt. shooter more than anything. Then get the big and back up point with the 26 and 30.

we agree with those 3, but we need a backup plan if all 3 are gone.. which is definitely possible.

Pat Williams or J smith as my 3th and 5th option.

[JHTruth]

Celtics are rumored to have met or interviewed with Grant Riller, Payton Pritchard and Tyrell Terry so far.

Sure looks like they are targeting a point guard with the #26 pick to me. Goodbye Brad Wanamaker!

They've also talked to Desmond Bane, Tillie etc. There is no way to know who they are targeting. But my informed opinion is thet will move up to grab an elite PG prospect...

[Shak_Celts]

Just thinking about DA saying we're essentially going to baby Kemba during the season lets me know we are going hard for a good backup/part-time starter level PG. Not only is kemba getting up in years for smaller PGs, he has a wobbly knee, I think he's about to do a lot for a PG (not a short one)!

[Celts17Pride]

Celtics are rumored to have met or interviewed with Grant Riller, Payton Pritchard and Tyrell Terry so far.

Sure looks like they are targeting a point guard with the #26 pick to me. Goodbye Brad Wanamaker!

They've also talked to Desmond Bane, Tillie etc. There is no way to know who they are targeting. But my informed opinion is thet will move up to grab an elite PG prospect...

Informed opinion? Do share

[captain green]

There are shooters at 5 through 47 that you can get why not get one that also plays d. That leaves us with Nesmith, s bey, halliburton, bane, and I guess vassell. That means the tiny shooters can go piss up a rope we grabbed one last year. Swear I'll be livid if we draft under 6'4 this year we don't need it it doesn't tilt the game we need mobile big that can move laterally and wing that can hit 3's.

+1000 from me dude. S. Bey, Nesmith or Vassell. I just hope one of them is available at 14. I prefer S. Bey due to size, but we need a knock down 3 pt. shooter more than anything. Then get the big and back up point with the 26 and 30.

we agree with those 3, but we need a backup plan if all 3 are gone.. which is definitely possible.

Pat Williams or J smith as my 3th and 5th option.

I go precious than Williams over Smith. Precious just screams to me regardless will be special.

[BostonCouchGM]

Celtics are rumored to have met or interviewed with Grant Riller, Payton Pritchard and Tyrell Terry so far.

Sure looks like they are targeting a point guard with the #26 pick to me. Goodbye Brad Wanamaker!

Pritchard could be Trae Young 2.0. No kidding. White privilege will have him dropping to the 2nd if these mocks have it right. If Danny drafts Pritchard late, and hits on the early picks, I will stop pointing out what a terrible drafter he's been. I know he's reading this so expect Pritchard to be a Celtic!