Trade Ideas Thread, 2020-21

[BRUNiNHO91]

Prediction:

Westbrook to the Knicks.

And.... drum roll...

Harden to Boston.

I dont want it. I may genuinely hate it. But I thought it was super interesting that both Tatum and Kemba heaped praise on Harden last year when every other player trashes him.

What’s your harden package just for fun.....

I dont want to offer this; its why I said the bolded.

I could see Ainge doing Smart, Brown, RWIII, Romeo, Semi, 14, two more FRP for Harden and Tucker. Then dumping Kanter, Poirier to end dropping 3-5M from our cap overall.

Feels like too much, but just what I could see him doing.

If we were to make such a blockbuster trade, I'd rather go after Bradley Beal. Good friends with JT, not as ball dominant, wayyyy easier of a personality to deal with for Stevens.. And ofc younger.

[MagicBagley18]

What’s your harden package just for fun.....

I dont want to offer this; its why I said the bolded.

I could see Ainge doing Smart, Brown, RWIII, Romeo, Semi, 14, two more FRP for Harden and Tucker. Then dumping Kanter, Poirier to end dropping 3-5M from our cap overall.

Feels like too much, but just what I could see him doing.

If we were to make such a blockbuster trade, I'd rather go after Bradley Beal. Good friends with JT, not as ball dominant, wayyyy easier of a personality to deal with for Stevens.. And ofc younger.

I’m a beal supporter but that’s too much for beal even tho his style of game I do like more than hardens. We often talk about rolling the dice here, this team is very close but still lacking that mvp talent. Harden is a former mvp.

I think if we’re gonna go in I’d rather deal that package for a guy who has an mvp resume. It may not work- beal may be the safer bet but I think if harden does work here the teams ceiling if much much higher.

[BRUNiNHO91]

I dont want to offer this; its why I said the bolded.

I could see Ainge doing Smart, Brown, RWIII, Romeo, Semi, 14, two more FRP for Harden and Tucker. Then dumping Kanter, Poirier to end dropping 3-5M from our cap overall.

Feels like too much, but just what I could see him doing.

If we were to make such a blockbuster trade, I'd rather go after Bradley Beal. Good friends with JT, not as ball dominant, wayyyy easier of a personality to deal with for Stevens.. And ofc younger.

I’m a beal supporter but that’s too much for beal even tho his style of game I do like more than hardens. We often talk about rolling the dice here, this team is very close but still lacking that mvp talent. Harden is a former mvp.

I think if we’re gonna go in I’d rather deal that package for a guy who has an mvp resume. It may not work- beal may be the safer bet but I think if harden does work here the teams ceiling if much much higher.

Sorry I should have made it clear that I'd modify that trade package and take a few pieces away. Just saying if we are ok with trading Smart and/or JB, I'd rather do it in package for Beal. Don't like the Tatum and Harden fit very much.

[MagicBagley18]

If we were to make such a blockbuster trade, I'd rather go after Bradley Beal. Good friends with JT, not as ball dominant, wayyyy easier of a personality to deal with for Stevens.. And ofc younger.

I’m a beal supporter but that’s too much for beal even tho his style of game I do like more than hardens. We often talk about rolling the dice here, this team is very close but still lacking that mvp talent. Harden is a former mvp.

I think if we’re gonna go in I’d rather deal that package for a guy who has an mvp resume. It may not work- beal may be the safer bet but I think if harden does work here the teams ceiling if much much higher.

Sorry I should have made it clear that I'd modify that trade package and take a few pieces away. Just saying if we are ok with trading Smart and/or JB, I'd rather do it in package for Beal. Don't like the Tatum and Harden fit very much.

Yes I’m worried about that fit as well. Def not the “everything should be about empowering Tatum” move I’ve been selling. I also see the temptation tho for Danny, if you look at the nba landscape if giannis isn’t available who else is gonna shake loose that can really change the balance?

KAT,Booker, beal......those guys are the next guys in 24 months. Be hard for teams to trade for harden and still have a championship team available- we have that luxury

[BRUNiNHO91]

I’m a beal supporter but that’s too much for beal even tho his style of game I do like more than hardens. We often talk about rolling the dice here, this team is very close but still lacking that mvp talent. Harden is a former mvp.

I think if we’re gonna go in I’d rather deal that package for a guy who has an mvp resume. It may not work- beal may be the safer bet but I think if harden does work here the teams ceiling if much much higher.

Sorry I should have made it clear that I'd modify that trade package and take a few pieces away. Just saying if we are ok with trading Smart and/or JB, I'd rather do it in package for Beal. Don't like the Tatum and Harden fit very much.

Yes I’m worried about that fit as well. Def not the “everything should be about empowering Tatum” move I’ve been selling. I also see the temptation tho for Danny, if you look at the nba landscape if giannis isn’t available who else is gonna shake loose that can really change the balance?

KAT,Booker, beal......those guys are the next guys in 24 months. Be hard for teams to trade for harden and still have a championship team available- we have that luxury

Danny would kill to get Harden. Lol You just know it. To me it would depend on what we did next.. Kemba is prettty much useless if you have Harden and JT holding the ball all game long . Would probably have to trade him also.

Harden, Hayward, Tatum, Tucker and Theis is a powerful line up though.

[MagicBagley18]

Sorry I should have made it clear that I'd modify that trade package and take a few pieces away. Just saying if we are ok with trading Smart and/or JB, I'd rather do it in package for Beal. Don't like the Tatum and Harden fit very much.

Yes I’m worried about that fit as well. Def not the “everything should be about empowering Tatum” move I’ve been selling. I also see the temptation tho for Danny, if you look at the nba landscape if giannis isn’t available who else is gonna shake loose that can really change the balance?

KAT,Booker, beal......those guys are the next guys in 24 months. Be hard for teams to trade for harden and still have a championship team available- we have that luxury

Danny would kill to get Harden. Lol You just know it. To me it would depend on what we did next.. Kemba is prettty much useless if you have Harden and JT holding the ball all game long . Would probably have to trade him also.

Harden, Hayward, Tatum, Tucker and Theis is a powerful line up though.

Yea. I’m not too worried about it....Houston is gonna do the opposite of what they should and hold onto harden. In regards to kemba tho- I actually think if he could just worry about scoring in bunches as the 3 rd option he’d be even more deadly just being able to pick his spots.

[Shak_Celts]

Swear if we trade brown or smart I'm going to hate everyone! You're all dead to me! I now remember why I hate this period of basketball! Why me?!! I already had to suffer losing when I thought we should have won AND LBJ and Lakers won!!! No more!! 2020 is for the damn birds!!!!! Lord if you're coming back just say that!!

[Triple7]

My Hou- Bos trade scenerio

BOS out: Kemba, Hayward, our 3 first rounders, maybe 2 of our own future firsts doesn't matter they're all crap end of the first round picks

HOU out: Westbrook and Harden

Why does Hou do it : they traded 2 first round picks and two pick swaps to get Westbrook. They're empty in the first-rounders situation. With Gordon they get out of Westbrook's contract and try to lure a big name free agent or get back into the game in 2021

Why does BOS do it: To win a championship next season. The 14th pick in an extremely weak draft is our best pick "asset" traded. We'll be a 60+ win team every year for the foreseeable Smart,Harden,Brown,Tatum future guaranteed.

Boston post trade:

Smart/Westbrook
Harden/Westbrook
Brown
Tatum
Theis

I hesistate to name any of our bench beyond this top 6 because in a 2020 free agency with no money, that's a team that all the best of vet free agents will clamor to sign on to for a one year Finals run.

Like this is the EXACT type of team Serge Ibaka would look at and say him MLE and starting Center on a championship team while waiting to get to 2021 when everyone has money? Okay sounds too good to pass up and suddenly he's our starting Center. Once you get to this level of talent the surrounding pieces come for free due to ring hungry vets (like Shaq, Sheed, Jermaine O'Neal, Posey of the olden days, ect.)

Westbrook because our super 6th man off the bench to run rampant. Smart/Brown/Tatum are the best 3 and D players in the league around an MVP level Harden.

Iso ball 3pt chuckfest season 3 here we go!

[flintsky21]

As long as we keep Tatum and Brown, I dunno why anyone would be opposed to adding a top 5-ish player like James Harden. The Lakers sure didn't hesitate to add an Anthony Davis, nor did the Warriors when they added Durant. 8 of the last 10 teams that won the championship had a top 5 player. I'd even be willing to give Smart up for him. One huge thing that Harden brings is his incredible ability to get to the line. The guy attempted 200 more free throws than the next guy on the list. Not even worried about his fit with Tatum. There will be enough shots to go around for them. It's much easier task to try to make a duo like that work than to actually add a guy like Harden, who can shoot, can drive, can pass, can get to the line, and even play defense when he wants to.

I'd do Harden + Tucker for Kemba + Smart + Grant Williams + a combination of picks

This second package might be more enticing for Houston. Not so much for us but I'd still do it in a heartbeat.

Harden + Tucker for Brown + Smart + Grant + a combination of picks

A backcourt of Kemba and Harden is scary (in a bad way) defensively but we could probably alleviate that by staggering their minutes. Still, the duo of Tatum and Harden is too good to pass up.

[Floody100]

As long as we keep Tatum and Brown, I dunno why anyone would be opposed to adding a top 5-ish player like James Harden. The Lakers sure didn't hesitate to add an Anthony Davis, nor did the Warriors when they added Durant. 8 of the last 10 teams that won the championship had a top 5 player. I'd even be willing to give Smart up for him. One huge thing that Harden brings is his incredible ability to get to the line. The guy attempted 200 more free throws than the next guy on the list. Not even worried about his fit with Tatum. There will be enough shots to go around for them. It's much easier task to try to make a duo like that work than to actually add a guy like Harden, who can shoot, can drive, can pass, can get to the line, and even play defense when he wants to.

I'd do Harden + Tucker for Kemba + Smart + Grant Williams + a combination of picks

This second package might be more enticing for Houston. Not so much for us but I'd still do it in a heartbeat.

Harden + Tucker for Brown + Smart + Grant + a combination of picks

A backcourt of Kemba and Harden is scary (in a bad way) defensively but we could probably alleviate that by staggering their minutes. Still, the duo of Tatum and Harden is too good to pass up.

Both Davis & Durant were great fits for their respective teams because they both don’t need their ball in the hand all the time to be effective.
Davis is the perfect partner for Lebron, Steph & Klay are both great off-ball players which means KD didn’t have to change his game much.

We’re trying to build a team that lets Tatum thrive as our #1 option. Just like Kyrie, Harden will just stall that progress.

[flintsky21]

As long as we keep Tatum and Brown, I dunno why anyone would be opposed to adding a top 5-ish player like James Harden. The Lakers sure didn't hesitate to add an Anthony Davis, nor did the Warriors when they added Durant. 8 of the last 10 teams that won the championship had a top 5 player. I'd even be willing to give Smart up for him. One huge thing that Harden brings is his incredible ability to get to the line. The guy attempted 200 more free throws than the next guy on the list. Not even worried about his fit with Tatum. There will be enough shots to go around for them. It's much easier task to try to make a duo like that work than to actually add a guy like Harden, who can shoot, can drive, can pass, can get to the line, and even play defense when he wants to.

I'd do Harden + Tucker for Kemba + Smart + Grant Williams + a combination of picks

This second package might be more enticing for Houston. Not so much for us but I'd still do it in a heartbeat.

Harden + Tucker for Brown + Smart + Grant + a combination of picks

A backcourt of Kemba and Harden is scary (in a bad way) defensively but we could probably alleviate that by staggering their minutes. Still, the duo of Tatum and Harden is too good to pass up.

Both Davis & Durant were great fits for their respective teams because they both don’t need their ball in the hand all the time to be effective.
Davis is the perfect partner for Lebron, Steph & Klay are both great off-ball players which means KD didn’t have to change his game much.

We’re trying to build a team that lets Tatum thrive as our #1 option. Just like Kyrie, Harden will just stall that progress.

But how sure are we that Tatum as #1 is the best path towards a championship? We still see some of that inconsistency, and he still lacks the ability to get to the line consistently (although he's been improving) which is probably what separates him from the true superstars in the league. Harden can go 6-18 and still give you 25 points just because he got to the line 15 times. Maybe Tatum will get there eventually, but for now, there's absolutely nothing wrong about Tatum playing 1B to Harden's 1A. And I believe Tatum would be perfectly fine with that.

Kyrie and Harden are sort of similar type players, only Harden is much better. Better passer, much better at getting to the line, and can score more easily with lesser effort.

[Floody100]

As long as we keep Tatum and Brown, I dunno why anyone would be opposed to adding a top 5-ish player like James Harden. The Lakers sure didn't hesitate to add an Anthony Davis, nor did the Warriors when they added Durant. 8 of the last 10 teams that won the championship had a top 5 player. I'd even be willing to give Smart up for him. One huge thing that Harden brings is his incredible ability to get to the line. The guy attempted 200 more free throws than the next guy on the list. Not even worried about his fit with Tatum. There will be enough shots to go around for them. It's much easier task to try to make a duo like that work than to actually add a guy like Harden, who can shoot, can drive, can pass, can get to the line, and even play defense when he wants to.

I'd do Harden + Tucker for Kemba + Smart + Grant Williams + a combination of picks

This second package might be more enticing for Houston. Not so much for us but I'd still do it in a heartbeat.

Harden + Tucker for Brown + Smart + Grant + a combination of picks

A backcourt of Kemba and Harden is scary (in a bad way) defensively but we could probably alleviate that by staggering their minutes. Still, the duo of Tatum and Harden is too good to pass up.

Both Davis & Durant were great fits for their respective teams because they both don’t need their ball in the hand all the time to be effective.
Davis is the perfect partner for Lebron, Steph & Klay are both great off-ball players which means KD didn’t have to change his game much.

We’re trying to build a team that lets Tatum thrive as our #1 option. Just like Kyrie, Harden will just stall that progress.

But how sure are we that Tatum as #1 is the best path towards a championship? We still see some of that inconsistency, and he still lacks the ability to get to the line consistently (although he's been improving) which is probably what separates him from the true superstars in the league. Harden can go 6-18 and still give you 25 points just because he got to the line 15 times. Maybe Tatum will get there eventually, but for now, there's absolutely nothing wrong about Tatum playing 1B to Harden's 1A. And I believe Tatum would be perfectly fine with that.

Kyrie and Harden are sort of similar type players, only Harden is much better. Better passer, much better at getting to the line, and can score more easily with lesser effort.

How are we sure Harden is the best path towards a championship when he’s never actually gone further in the post season than Tatum has ?
I don’t know if you’ve realised but the reason we see inconsistency in Tatum’s game is because not only is he 22 but this was his first playoffs as our #1 option. He wasn’t great in crunch time in the playoffs because of inexperience but there were a lot of games in the regular season were he showed he can be clutch at the end of games.

He was the youngest ever player to average 25/10/5 in the playoffs .... that stat line should be enough to get us Celtic fans really excited about this kids future.

[Shak_Celts]

As long as we keep Tatum and Brown, I dunno why anyone would be opposed to adding a top 5-ish player like James Harden. The Lakers sure didn't hesitate to add an Anthony Davis, nor did the Warriors when they added Durant. 8 of the last 10 teams that won the championship had a top 5 player. I'd even be willing to give Smart up for him. One huge thing that Harden brings is his incredible ability to get to the line. The guy attempted 200 more free throws than the next guy on the list. Not even worried about his fit with Tatum. There will be enough shots to go around for them. It's much easier task to try to make a duo like that work than to actually add a guy like Harden, who can shoot, can drive, can pass, can get to the line, and even play defense when he wants to.

I'd do Harden + Tucker for Kemba + Smart + Grant Williams + a combination of picks

This second package might be more enticing for Houston. Not so much for us but I'd still do it in a heartbeat.

Harden + Tucker for Brown + Smart + Grant + a combination of picks

A backcourt of Kemba and Harden is scary (in a bad way) defensively but we could probably alleviate that by staggering their minutes. Still, the duo of Tatum and Harden is too good to pass up.

Both Davis & Durant were great fits for their respective teams because they both don’t need their ball in the hand all the time to be effective.
Davis is the perfect partner for Lebron, Steph & Klay are both great off-ball players which means KD didn’t have to change his game much.

We’re trying to build a team that lets Tatum thrive as our #1 option. Just like Kyrie, Harden will just stall that progress.

But how sure are we that Tatum as #1 is the best path towards a championship? We still see some of that inconsistency, and he still lacks the ability to get to the line consistently (although he's been improving) which is probably what separates him from the true superstars in the league. Harden can go 6-18 and still give you 25 points just because he got to the line 15 times. Maybe Tatum will get there eventually, but for now, there's absolutely nothing wrong about Tatum playing 1B to Harden's 1A. And I believe Tatum would be perfectly fine with that.

Kyrie and Harden are sort of similar type players, only Harden is much better. Better passer, much better at getting to the line, and can score more easily with lesser effort.

Harden has had more seasons/playoffs than Tatum but has he really been more consistent in the playoffs than Tatum's short stint? Yeah, he'll score but is he actually consistently good? That is just as important as scoring. Harden has been bad many times and I don't recall much of anything clutch in the playoffs, I guess the close vs the Thunder this season but Tatum has had clutch moments in the playoffs too.

[Darthlukey]

Prediction:

Westbrook to the Knicks.

And.... drum roll...

Harden to Boston.

I dont want it. I may genuinely hate it. But I thought it was super interesting that both Tatum and Kemba heaped praise on Harden last year when every other player trashes him.

What’s your harden package just for fun.....

I dont want to offer this; its why I said the bolded.

I could see Ainge doing Smart, Brown, RWIII, Romeo, Semi, 14, two more FRP for Harden and Tucker. Then dumping Kanter, Poirier to end dropping 3-5M from our cap overall.

Feels like too much, but just what I could see him doing.

Any deal that involves Brown or tatum to Houston for Harden is too much. And honestly, if that's a non starter for Houston, I don't even care. I respect hardens star power even if I dont respect his game. But you want him to play alongside Brown and tatum, not alongside kemba

[Darthlukey]

Both Davis & Durant were great fits for their respective teams because they both don’t need their ball in the hand all the time to be effective.
Davis is the perfect partner for Lebron, Steph & Klay are both great off-ball players which means KD didn’t have to change his game much.

We’re trying to build a team that lets Tatum thrive as our #1 option. Just like Kyrie, Harden will just stall that progress.

But how sure are we that Tatum as #1 is the best path towards a championship? We still see some of that inconsistency, and he still lacks the ability to get to the line consistently (although he's been improving) which is probably what separates him from the true superstars in the league. Harden can go 6-18 and still give you 25 points just because he got to the line 15 times. Maybe Tatum will get there eventually, but for now, there's absolutely nothing wrong about Tatum playing 1B to Harden's 1A. And I believe Tatum would be perfectly fine with that.

Kyrie and Harden are sort of similar type players, only Harden is much better. Better passer, much better at getting to the line, and can score more easily with lesser effort.

Harden has had more seasons/playoffs than Tatum but has he really been more consistent in the playoffs than Tatum's short stint? Yeah, he'll score but is he actually consistently good? That is just as important as scoring. Harden has been bad many times and I don't recall much of anything clutch in the playoffs, I guess the close vs the Thunder this season but Tatum has had clutch moments in the playoffs too.

Harden is a product of and limited by the rockets system. You get him into a system that actually makes use of his skillset without telling him to dominate the ball 95% of every possession and maybe you get more out of him in the playoffs cos teams actually have to gameplan for the team rather than just one player

[flintsky21]

Both Davis & Durant were great fits for their respective teams because they both don’t need their ball in the hand all the time to be effective.
Davis is the perfect partner for Lebron, Steph & Klay are both great off-ball players which means KD didn’t have to change his game much.

We’re trying to build a team that lets Tatum thrive as our #1 option. Just like Kyrie, Harden will just stall that progress.

But how sure are we that Tatum as #1 is the best path towards a championship? We still see some of that inconsistency, and he still lacks the ability to get to the line consistently (although he's been improving) which is probably what separates him from the true superstars in the league. Harden can go 6-18 and still give you 25 points just because he got to the line 15 times. Maybe Tatum will get there eventually, but for now, there's absolutely nothing wrong about Tatum playing 1B to Harden's 1A. And I believe Tatum would be perfectly fine with that.

Kyrie and Harden are sort of similar type players, only Harden is much better. Better passer, much better at getting to the line, and can score more easily with lesser effort.

How are we sure Harden is the best path towards a championship when he’s never actually gone further in the post season than Tatum has ?
I don’t know if you’ve realised but the reason we see inconsistency in Tatum’s game is because not only is he 22 but this was his first playoffs as our #1 option. He wasn’t great in crunch time in the playoffs because of inexperience but there were a lot of games in the regular season were he showed he can be clutch at the end of games.

He was the youngest ever player to average 25/10/5 in the playoffs .... that stat line should be enough to get us Celtic fans really excited about this kids future.

Alright, so Tatum's 22 and might not be ready yet to be the 1st option on a championship team. Maybe he'll be ready when he's 25, or maybe when he's 27. But you're banking on that possibility, even if there's an opportunity to improve your team and actually win now. The Lakers emptied the vault for Davis. The Raptors did the same for a year of Kawhi. If we win a championship, who cares if Tatum was the 2nd option or that he missed being an all-star. You don't pass up on opportunity to add a top 5 player and improve your chances to win NOW just because it might stunt your young, budding star's growth. Winning always takes precedence, especially for a team with title aspirations.

And if you want to bring up Harden's playoff history, then you might as well try to explain how Anthony Davis just won the title when he's been a "loser" all the previous years.

[100proof]

Hayward to GSW for Wiggins and #2

#2, #14, #26, 2021 boston 1st, 2023 boston 1st, Kemba and Langford to Milwaukee for Giannis and salary up to 15 million (Bledsoe?).

Bledsoe
Smart/
Brown/Wiggins
Tatum
Giannis

[SmartWentCrazy]

Sorry I should have made it clear that I'd modify that trade package and take a few pieces away. Just saying if we are ok with trading Smart and/or JB, I'd rather do it in package for Beal. Don't like the Tatum and Harden fit very much.

Yes I’m worried about that fit as well. Def not the “everything should be about empowering Tatum” move I’ve been selling. I also see the temptation tho for Danny, if you look at the nba landscape if giannis isn’t available who else is gonna shake loose that can really change the balance?

KAT,Booker, beal......those guys are the next guys in 24 months. Be hard for teams to trade for harden and still have a championship team available- we have that luxury

Danny would kill to get Harden. Lol You just know it. To me it would depend on what we did next.. Kemba is prettty much useless if you have Harden and JT holding the ball all game long . Would probably have to trade him also.

Harden, Hayward, Tatum, Tucker and Theis is a powerful line up though.

This is exactly why I thought Ainge would offer that package.

With respect to Kemba, he’d be limited to playing the old Ray Allen roll; shooting off hand-offs, catch and shoots off screens. He has the personality where he could be okay with that.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Swear if we trade brown or smart I'm going to hate everyone! You're all dead to me! I now remember why I hate this period of basketball! Why me?!! I already had to suffer losing when I thought we should have won AND LBJ and Lakers won!!! No more!! 2020 is for the damn birds!!!!! Lord if you're coming back just say that!!

Im with you, for the record. Would rather win with our guys. Watching people grow is what makes sports fun. Ringz culture is lame.

[SmartWentCrazy]

What’s your harden package just for fun.....

I dont want to offer this; its why I said the bolded.

I could see Ainge doing Smart, Brown, RWIII, Romeo, Semi, 14, two more FRP for Harden and Tucker. Then dumping Kanter, Poirier to end dropping 3-5M from our cap overall.

Feels like too much, but just what I could see him doing.

Any deal that involves Brown or tatum to Houston for Harden is too much. And honestly, if that's a non starter for Houston, I don't even care. I respect hardens star power even if I dont respect his game. But you want him to play alongside Brown and tatum, not alongside kemba

Houston isnt trading a guy who has finished top 3 in the MVP race 5 of the last 6 years and not receiving Brown. Its more than okay to balk at the price. But its beyond foolish to act like its possible to pair him with Brown and Tatum— might as well speculate on how we can add Giannis to that trio as well at that point.