Fire Ainge: Thanks Danny, but it's time to go

[BigTrade92]

Where was Danny supposed to unearth this info that Kyrie would clash with our young players and flake out? Trading for Kyrie wasn't a mistake at the time. I don't remember any analysts saying that the Celtics have no idea what they are in for with Kyrie. The only info out there was that he was sick of being second fiddle to Lebron who tended to 'son' him.

Danny did make a mistake in not trading him at the deadline or at least seriously looking into it. But I guess he thought losing him for nothing was worth going for a title with him. I'm not sure many predicted Kyrie would just quit on the team in the playoffs.

I hate how Danny handled the team last year at the deadline though. If he thought we could go for the title then holding on to Hayward made sense but not trading to improve the roster did not. If he thought getting the title was a low percentage then he should have traded Hayward who clearly wasn't happy being third or fourth fiddle.

At this point we are much further from a title than we were a year ago and have fewer assets to improve with.

Are you saying that getting info on a player in the NBA is an impossible task? Kyrie literally told the media the earth was flat before this trade occurred. His oddities were well known and the red flags were in abundance. Heck, Kyrie played with Perk of all people, one of the biggest talkers in the league. I’m sure Danny still had Perk’s number.

If this fanbase is going to praise Ainge for good moves, he needs to equally be held accountable for his poor ones. Slapping the tag “no brainer at the time” to a disaster move is the ultimate cop out.

[Taget]

How do you guys not find it infuriating that the team Ainge fleeced 8 years ago and acquired a haul that would guarantee the formation of a dynasty ~90% of the time is most probably going to win a ring or two before your team? The Nets are easily winning the east for the foreseeable future and have a real good shot at winning it all.

Fans of bad teams have no expectations because they never believe in success coming their way, when the ownership and management is clueless there is nothing to be done. Is that what the Celitcs have become? I dont see any strong "fire Ainge" movement from the fans, quite the opposite. I come here to see most going out their way to defend him?? Even if you are a big fan of his and think the team just was unlucky the past couple of years, Ainge still has a bad reputation within the players and the GM community. That alone is reason enough to move him into an advisory role and bring another face to the management side of things.

The Turner trade fail alone would drive me nuts if I were a fan of the team. Then you add to it the consistently atrocious bench, the reluctance to gamble on star players, the iso-centric horrific offense, the Kemba contract, the Jeff Teague, etc.

Not trolling btw, just really dont want to see the Nets win a ring and the only team that can stop them in the East is the Celtics with a good GM.

What happened with the Nets represented something completely beyond the control of a franchise. Kyrie was born in New Jersey and wanted to sign with Jersey's old team. And convinced a friend to come along. Yes they did so because there was cap space. Harden got there in part by playing hard ball to demand a trade to where he wanted. Which does not mean Harden was no obtainable but it is an open question whether it would've been a short term rental for someone close to hitting 32.

Danny has made all types of gambles and tried all types of moves both clever and foolish. Sometimes moved too fast and somtimes moved too slow. And sometimes nails it. But the one thing he can't do is make superstars conspire together to move heaven and earth for the rights to enjoy a Boston winter. Or disrupt their current team to demand a trade to Boston. This scenario can happen to the benefit of LA, Miami, it can even happen to the Knicks if Dolan is ever separated from the team.

There are certain teams it's not going to happen to. We're one of them.

As for Brooklyn they are in a high risk, high reward rolller coaster right now. If it all works out good for them. If not it'll be the Garnett/Pierce trade all over again. Our initial plan was to make a team of Horford, Hayward, Kyrie, and AD. That fell through and we're trying to figure out how to make plan B (centered around Brown and Tatum) work.

[FrodoFraggins]

Where was Danny supposed to unearth this info that Kyrie would clash with our young players and flake out? Trading for Kyrie wasn't a mistake at the time. I don't remember any analysts saying that the Celtics have no idea what they are in for with Kyrie. The only info out there was that he was sick of being second fiddle to Lebron who tended to 'son' him.

Danny did make a mistake in not trading him at the deadline or at least seriously looking into it. But I guess he thought losing him for nothing was worth going for a title with him. I'm not sure many predicted Kyrie would just quit on the team in the playoffs.

I hate how Danny handled the team last year at the deadline though. If he thought we could go for the title then holding on to Hayward made sense but not trading to improve the roster did not. If he thought getting the title was a low percentage then he should have traded Hayward who clearly wasn't happy being third or fourth fiddle.

At this point we are much further from a title than we were a year ago and have fewer assets to improve with.

Are you saying that getting info on a player in the NBA is an impossible task? Kyrie literally told the media the earth was flat before this trade occurred. His oddities were well known and the red flags were in abundance. Heck, Kyrie played with Perk of all people, one of the biggest talkers in the league. I’m sure Danny still had Perk’s number.

If this fanbase is going to praise Ainge for good moves, he needs to equally be held accountable for his poor ones. Slapping the tag “no brainer at the time” to a disaster move is the ultimate cop out.

Anyone can analyze a trade years later - the fair thing to do is judge it at the time it was made. You haven't shown any evidence that Danny should have magically unearthed beyond the fact that he was odd. The pick, that became Sexton, for Kyrie was worth the risk at the time. Not many people will argue that.

[GoCeltics123]

Where was Danny supposed to unearth this info that Kyrie would clash with our young players and flake out? Trading for Kyrie wasn't a mistake at the time. I don't remember any analysts saying that the Celtics have no idea what they are in for with Kyrie. The only info out there was that he was sick of being second fiddle to Lebron who tended to 'son' him.

Danny did make a mistake in not trading him at the deadline or at least seriously looking into it. But I guess he thought losing him for nothing was worth going for a title with him. I'm not sure many predicted Kyrie would just quit on the team in the playoffs.

I hate how Danny handled the team last year at the deadline though. If he thought we could go for the title then holding on to Hayward made sense but not trading to improve the roster did not. If he thought getting the title was a low percentage then he should have traded Hayward who clearly wasn't happy being third or fourth fiddle.

At this point we are much further from a title than we were a year ago and have fewer assets to improve with.

Yeah, I think it was tougher to improve at the deadline since we had basically zero tradable contracts last year but would've been nice to make at least one move to improve the bench.

Losing Hayward for nothing besides the TPE sucked and if Danny knew that, then he should've at least considered moving him.

[GoCeltics123]

The pick he traded was the team’s single best pick asset and the player you got was a looney toon, who destroyed the culture and caused a reset of talent and personality.

You don’t seriously need me to explain this further, do you?

I'm not fully defending Ainge or anything but that trade was an absolute no-brainer. If you don't think that you're nuts.

IT's hip was done. We had to move on or we'd be left with nothing at point guard. We upgraded at PG and got off IT's upcoming free agency.

It clearly wasn’t a no brainer considering the person that was acquired.

Ainge and his minions went to great lengths a month ago to tell the world how the team “looked into” Harden and ultimately passed and felt he wasn’t a good fit.

Where was that with Kyrie? So what you’re telling me is, Ainge didn’t do his due diligence and made a move any arm chair NBA 2K My Career player would’ve made?

Sounds like your making an excuse for bad GMing.

Ok, tell you what, you be a GM for a second. Would you rather bet on:

An All-NBA, champion point guard who was considered top 3 in the NBA or...

A Terry Rozier that sucked the entire season until the playoffs in 16-17, an Isaiah Thomas with a busted hip, or a rookie that may or may not be good.

Again, even with his character concerns, you're absolutely delusional if you take the second option.

[BigTrade92]

I'm not fully defending Ainge or anything but that trade was an absolute no-brainer. If you don't think that you're nuts.

IT's hip was done. We had to move on or we'd be left with nothing at point guard. We upgraded at PG and got off IT's upcoming free agency.

It clearly wasn’t a no brainer considering the person that was acquired.

Ainge and his minions went to great lengths a month ago to tell the world how the team “looked into” Harden and ultimately passed and felt he wasn’t a good fit.

Where was that with Kyrie? So what you’re telling me is, Ainge didn’t do his due diligence and made a move any arm chair NBA 2K My Career player would’ve made?

Sounds like your making an excuse for bad GMing.

Ok, tell you what, you be a GM for a second. Would you rather bet on:

An All-NBA, champion point guard who was considered top 3 in the NBA or...

A Terry Rozier that sucked the entire season until the playoffs in 16-17, an Isaiah Thomas with a busted hip, or a rookie that may or may not be good.

Again, even with his character concerns, you're absolutely delusional if you take the second option.

Not the guy who thinks the world is flat and threatened surgery if he wasn’t traded.

I didn’t really like the trade at the time, as I knew a little bit about who Kyrie was due to a few mutual acquaintances, along with the extremely poor optics of dumping a player who had just given his all to this team and played through the tragic death of a sibling and major dental surgery (which came back to haunt us during the AD hunt), so it’s not like you’re catching me in some catch-22.

I never really liked the guy, but I did try to give the trade a chance and accept him as a Celtic since I assumed he’d be here for the longrun. Well, it backfired as I expected.

[BostonCouchGM]

I'm not fully defending Ainge or anything but that trade was an absolute no-brainer. If you don't think that you're nuts.

IT's hip was done. We had to move on or we'd be left with nothing at point guard. We upgraded at PG and got off IT's upcoming free agency.

It clearly wasn’t a no brainer considering the person that was acquired.

Ainge and his minions went to great lengths a month ago to tell the world how the team “looked into” Harden and ultimately passed and felt he wasn’t a good fit.

Where was that with Kyrie? So what you’re telling me is, Ainge didn’t do his due diligence and made a move any arm chair NBA 2K My Career player would’ve made?

Sounds like your making an excuse for bad GMing.

Ok, tell you what, you be a GM for a second. Would you rather bet on:

An All-NBA, champion point guard who was considered top 3 in the NBA or...

A Terry Rozier that sucked the entire season until the playoffs in 16-17, an Isaiah Thomas with a busted hip, or a rookie that may or may not be good.

Again, even with his character concerns, you're absolutely delusional if you take the second option.

I like how everyone acts like it was thought of as a great trade by the consensus on here when a few like me hated it. He was a malcontent who threatened to get surgery unless he was traded. He didn't play defense, had injury concerns and is a moron. These were major glaring red flags. We also had two young wings and should have been adding to that very young core to form a Big Three of young players with Hayward as the veteran presence for leadership. We were armed with a likely lottery pick in a filthy loaded upcoming draft to do just that. SGA or MPJ could have been ours. This was pointed out by me and a couple others and met with scorn. Seems like the same people loving the trade also thought Fultz was generational and are the same people that think Jaylen is a top 10 player. We have some truly clueless fans but that's what makes this forum so fun.

[OldCeltics]

It's time for Danny to retire with honors.

[Ernest]

We traded IT for Kyrie. If we wanted IT back we could have him right now. The trade while not super popular (because IT was so darn likable) was clearly the right move at the time and a bit of a gutzy move. Some people just want to hate. Go look into any other team and use the same Ainge hate logic against their GM. You could think everyone in the league should be fired.

[Spin Move]

It clearly wasn’t a no brainer considering the person that was acquired.

Ainge and his minions went to great lengths a month ago to tell the world how the team “looked into” Harden and ultimately passed and felt he wasn’t a good fit.

Where was that with Kyrie? So what you’re telling me is, Ainge didn’t do his due diligence and made a move any arm chair NBA 2K My Career player would’ve made?

Sounds like your making an excuse for bad GMing.

Ok, tell you what, you be a GM for a second. Would you rather bet on:

An All-NBA, champion point guard who was considered top 3 in the NBA or...

A Terry Rozier that sucked the entire season until the playoffs in 16-17, an Isaiah Thomas with a busted hip, or a rookie that may or may not be good.

Again, even with his character concerns, you're absolutely delusional if you take the second option.

I like how everyone acts like it was thought of as a great trade by the consensus on here when a few like me hated it. He was a malcontent who threatened to get surgery unless he was traded. He didn't play defense, had injury concerns and is a moron. These were major glaring red flags. We also had two young wings and should have been adding to that very young core to form a Big Three of young players with Hayward as the veteran presence for leadership. We were armed with a likely lottery pick in a filthy loaded upcoming draft to do just that. SGA or MPJ could have been ours. This was pointed out by me and a couple others and met with scorn. Seems like the same people loving the trade also thought Fultz was generational and are the same people that think Jaylen is a top 10 player. We have some truly clueless fans but that's what makes this forum so fun.

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The vast majority of the board (and real gm as a whole) thought it was a great trade for us, just becuase 2 or 3 people out of hundreds disagree does not mean there was not a consensus. The board was overwhelmingly in favor of the trade at the time. It was a bold move and Kyrie had far less negative history at the time. Danny made the right move you make that trade 10 times out of 10. Sexton is not some amazing player, he puts up 20 on a bad team, he is still a negative on Box plus minus and while he may eventually be good we would not have been as good kyries 2 years here with sexton instead.

[FrodoFraggins]

Brad took a team with Avery Bradley as the 2nd option to the ECF. Then he did it with a team that had rookie Tatum and Terry Rozier as the best two players. He's not the problem.

Those teams didn't test him in terms of egos and players that all want their shots. All that shows is he's great at getting more out of teams that listen to him and buy in. Ever since Kyrie arrived he's lost the locker room several times. It was also in the weak East, if the team was in the West he wouldn't have made those conference finals.

It's not clear to me what his ceiling is, but it does seem clear what his personal deficiencies as a player coach are. But until he's given a complete roster that can actually compete, I've stepped back my thoughts on letting him go. That is unless it reaches a point where he's completely ignored by the stars on the team.

[FrodoFraggins]

How do you guys not find it infuriating that the team Ainge fleeced 8 years ago and acquired a haul that would guarantee the formation of a dynasty ~90% of the time

His haul was far from a guarantee of a dynasty. But yeah he hoarded far too many picks rather than use them to improve the roster immediately and long term. He also suck at recognizing when his FA signings were not going to resign. We don't exist in a vacuum where every team has the same chance. The league is massively unfair.

Yeah he messed up, but you can't ignore the fact that the LAL, LAC and BKN teams all turned into top teams through actually being attractive to major free agents. And GSW became even stronger thanks to Durant.

The IT team overachieved and messed up his plans for better picks as well. I think he sucks a as a long term planner and as a GM that ism always looking to improve the team

[GoCeltics123]

If he doesn't make changes this season, meaningful changes, I'll fully call for Danny's job. Enough is enough.

[OldCeltics]

See you later Danny. This team is garbage.

[GoCeltics123]

It's funny, after Game 6 against Miami, I turned to my brother and said "Now is the time. It's time to go for it."

Just 6 months later, thinking about this garbage ass team makes me sick.

[playa-hater]

It's funny, after Game 6 against Miami, I turned to my brother and said "Now is the time. It's time to go for it."

Just 6 months later, thinking about this garbage ass team makes me sick.

Not even the most pessimistic fan would/could envision Boston being a 500% team after last season. (other than some horrific season ending injuries etc..)

I can't remember a bigger offseason fail than this.

[Fencer reregistered]

I think Ainge has assembled a hell of a young core:

Rob Williams
Tatum
Brown
Nesmith
Smart

Theis
Pritchard

Perhaps Romeo or Grant or Tacko as well


I agree the results have been disappointing so far this season, but the apocalyptically negative views some people have seem very lightly supported by actual facts.

[gocelts]

Eh....if someone said we lost Hayward for nothing, Tatum got Covid, Smart tore his calf, and Kemba was still having issues with his knee...500 sounds about right.

I’d say Stevens seat is “warm”. I’ve totally turned on him after they way we’ve been losing...but Danny also hasn’t been drafting and trading the way he was 4-5 years ago. It’s like he’s been waiting for another “perfect” deal...meanwhile we’re fielding a team that is the definition of mediocrity...

The funny part is Danny doing nothing is still literally better than half the league.

He really does have dig in now though and either improve this “core” or make some bigger changes...can’t waste Tatum and Brown.

[playa-hater]

I think Ainge has assembled a hell of a young core:

Rob Williams
Tatum
Brown
Nesmith
Smart

Theis
Pritchard

Perhaps Romeo or Grant or Tacko as well


I agree the results have been disappointing so far this season, but the apocalyptically negative views some people have seem very lightly supported by actual facts.

I do like the young core. never heard me complain about them. But the only fact that most consider of value is Win/loss record. As I already posted in the other thread, NO ONE was anticipating a 500% record. I think people's "negative views" at this time are somewhat appropriate considering the pre-season expectations almost everyone had.

[GoGreen]

Danny Ainge gave us this hot garbage. I don't expect him to get us out of it.