Fire Brad Stevens.

[greenroom31]

Does anyone here remember early in Tom Brady's career, I think it was the offseason either before or after his 2nd season, when Bill Belichick sent him home with a stack of books on leadership? IIRC they may have included bios on great leaders, but Tom said he read them and he talked about what an impact they had on him.

That's what I think Brad should have done, but neglected to do, with Jayson Tatum. Truth be told, getting a Gen Z pro athlete to read a single book, let alone a stack of books, would probably have been a challenge. But whatever could have reached JT on that front IMO would have helped this team.

Paul Pierce read books on leadership. Even so, he never acquired the knack, except for what he had before reading them. (Leading by the example of hard work and toughness.)

Right. Pierce only got the knack of being a supportive #2 behind KG, who straightened out the pathetic culture that Pierce had inspired for years before 2008.

I don't see a bit of natural leadership in JT. Just look at his postgame interview last night. Flat out doesn't answer the question as to how they can improve their D. Has an extended period of rolling his tongue around his teeth in his mouth. Offers his usual, low-energy mumbles. Even picks his nose at one point.

The two players I see with legit leadership potential on this team are Rob, if he can stay healthy, and Nesmith, perhaps as Rob's less vocal #2.

Rob? Not Jaylen? Are you kidding?

Say what you will about Jaylen's game, but he's a born leader as evidenced by the fact that he's already the VP of the NBPA: https://www.nba.com/celtics/news/sidebar/prac-022019-jaylen-brown-elated-elected-nbpa-youngest-vice-president

[cloverleaf]

Paul Pierce read books on leadership. Even so, he never acquired the knack, except for what he had before reading them. (Leading by the example of hard work and toughness.)

Right. Pierce only got the knack of being a supportive #2 behind KG, who straightened out the pathetic culture that Pierce had inspired for years before 2008.

I don't see a bit of natural leadership in JT. Just look at his postgame interview last night. Flat out doesn't answer the question as to how they can improve their D. Has an extended period of rolling his tongue around his teeth in his mouth. Offers his usual, low-energy mumbles. Even picks his nose at one point.

The two players I see with legit leadership potential on this team are Rob, if he can stay healthy, and Nesmith, perhaps as Rob's less vocal #2.

Rob? Not Jaylen? Are you kidding?

Say what you will about Jaylen's game, but he's a born leader as evidenced by the fact that he's already the VP of the NBPA: https://www.nba.com/celtics/news/sidebar/prac-022019-jaylen-brown-elated-elected-nbpa-youngest-vice-president

You and I apparently have different thoughts on leadership.

[JHTruth]

Paul Pierce read books on leadership. Even so, he never acquired the knack, except for what he had before reading them. (Leading by the example of hard work and toughness.)

Right. Pierce only got the knack of being a supportive #2 behind KG, who straightened out the pathetic culture that Pierce had inspired for years before 2008.

I don't see a bit of natural leadership in JT. Just look at his postgame interview last night. Flat out doesn't answer the question as to how they can improve their D. Has an extended period of rolling his tongue around his teeth in his mouth. Offers his usual, low-energy mumbles. Even picks his nose at one point.

The two players I see with legit leadership potential on this team are Rob, if he can stay healthy, and Nesmith, perhaps as Rob's less vocal #2.

Rob? Not Jaylen? Are you kidding?

Say what you will about Jaylen's game, but he's a born leader as evidenced by the fact that he's already the VP of the NBPA: https://www.nba.com/celtics/news/sidebar/prac-022019-jaylen-brown-elated-elected-nbpa-youngest-vice-president

Jaylen seems too moody to be a real leader. Guy takes himself waaaaay too seriously. Rob seems like a guy with really positive energy, always seems excited out there while Jaylen is thinking about his next social justice initiative.

I don't think the players hate Brad or its a full-on mutiny I just think they're sitting around like "Brad, are you going to like do the coaching thing anytime soon?" Guy looks completely out of answers

[JHTruth]

Danny constructed a championship roster top to bottom in 2008 but after that he has been a bad to average GM. I don’t see the short and long term goals from Danny to Wyc etc. Once Kyrie, Hayward, Horford left it was rock bottom, and it is going to remain that way if drastic changes are not made soon

Really? You don't see the plan of drafting probably the two best players under 25 at the most important position in the NBA? Drafting elite shooting and C prospects?

Just because fans can't see past the next game doesn't mean there's no plan. Maybe Brad is not the guy to bring it to fruition

[JHTruth]

The Celtics are not bad because of injuries/not having the full team on the court , Covid, lack of practice, but rather they are a bad team due to lack of talent. They are an average team at best. 2018 should have told everyone that if we paid attention. Danny Ainge will not win another championship again. He had his luck when his friend Mchale gifted him KG, after that he has proven he can’t construct a championship team, Wyc and co included. Until they are gone, I am going to focus on other thing than the Celtics.

I couldn’t careless whether they win or not. A lot of us have checked out. Good luck to them.

Danny was doing ok until he traded for Kyrie. He had a chance to rectify that by trading Kyrie at the deadline before he walked, and he didn't do it. He was delusional enough to think Kyrie was still the future and wanted to stay. It was clear as day that Kyrie was poison and was not going to resign. Losing him for nothing hurt, and it hurt even more when Horford left for nothing because he thought there was a chance Kyrie was coming back and he did not want to play with him.

Losing two stars for nothing. And then being greedy with Hayward and getting a garbage trade exception instead of Turner was just inexcusable.

Basically all the years of amassing draft picks and clearing cap space to get those stars, and then losing them for nothing is why the Celtics are what they are now.

Nah. The Kyrie/Horford/Hayward window ended when Hayward broke his ankle in half on opening night. At that point the team was a dead team walking.

Since then Danny has been slowly transitioning to the Tatum/Brown era.

[JHTruth]

Interesting to hear the Felger and Mazz podcasts now re: the Celts. Talking about persistent rumors that Danny might be ready to step down, whether completely or into a consulting role, after this season. Then they also explore for example Gary W's reference to Stevens maybe having more say in the personnel this summer. And, again, Stevens has been yapping about his team being too small for the last two losses.

They are also talking about Jeff Goodman having said on EEI this weekend that Ainge's two choices are to move beyond Stevens or to trade Brown.

But I wonder if Stevens is angling to move up to Danny's role if Danny vacates the GM role. I don't see Stevens doing both roles next year, so perhaps he moves up and they bring in a new coach.

They are also chatting about Stevens maybe being tradable to Indy, since they reportedly want a new coach.

Brad would the worst GM in the league. Guy has no feel for legit NBA talent. He'd trade Rob Williams away for Baynes. Book it.

[moonie_mcgee]

Neither JT nor JB make other players better. They're great individual players but as scorers. Sure we can keep both but that's what it is. Personally I'd rather keep one in JT and trade JB while his stock is high. I'd also trade TL while his stock is high. IMO both will be injury prone, JB bc the way he plays and TL bc he's got a bad hand as in cards.

[Fencer reregistered]

Interesting to hear the Felger and Mazz podcasts now re: the Celts. Talking about persistent rumors that Danny might be ready to step down, whether completely or into a consulting role, after this season. Then they also explore for example Gary W's reference to Stevens maybe having more say in the personnel this summer. And, again, Stevens has been yapping about his team being too small for the last two losses.

They are also talking about Jeff Goodman having said on EEI this weekend that Ainge's two choices are to move beyond Stevens or to trade Brown.

But I wonder if Stevens is angling to move up to Danny's role if Danny vacates the GM role. I don't see Stevens doing both roles next year, so perhaps he moves up and they bring in a new coach.

They are also chatting about Stevens maybe being tradable to Indy, since they reportedly want a new coach.

Brad would the worst GM in the league. Guy has no feel for legit NBA talent. He'd trade Rob Williams away for Baynes. Book it.

I don't subscribe to most extreme anti-Brad (or anti-anybody in sports) views.

But we've tried college-coach-doubling-as-GM, and it wasn't pretty. Let's not go near that again.

[Fencer reregistered]

Right. Pierce only got the knack of being a supportive #2 behind KG, who straightened out the pathetic culture that Pierce had inspired for years before 2008.

I don't see a bit of natural leadership in JT. Just look at his postgame interview last night. Flat out doesn't answer the question as to how they can improve their D. Has an extended period of rolling his tongue around his teeth in his mouth. Offers his usual, low-energy mumbles. Even picks his nose at one point.

The two players I see with legit leadership potential on this team are Rob, if he can stay healthy, and Nesmith, perhaps as Rob's less vocal #2.

Rob? Not Jaylen? Are you kidding?

Say what you will about Jaylen's game, but he's a born leader as evidenced by the fact that he's already the VP of the NBPA: https://www.nba.com/celtics/news/sidebar/prac-022019-jaylen-brown-elated-elected-nbpa-youngest-vice-president

Jaylen seems too moody to be a real leader. Guy takes himself waaaaay too seriously. Rob seems like a guy with really positive energy, always seems excited out there while Jaylen is thinking about his next social justice initiative.

I don't think the players hate Brad or its a full-on mutiny I just think they're sitting around like "Brad, are you going to like do the coaching thing anytime soon?" Guy looks completely out of answers

Bill Russell was personally a lot moodier than Jaylen, and publicly a more significant racial-justice advocate.

[jumblin]

The Celtics are not bad because of injuries/not having the full team on the court , Covid, lack of practice, but rather they are a bad team due to lack of talent. They are an average team at best. 2018 should have told everyone that if we paid attention. Danny Ainge will not win another championship again. He had his luck when his friend Mchale gifted him KG, after that he has proven he can’t construct a championship team, Wyc and co included. Until they are gone, I am going to focus on other thing than the Celtics.

I couldn’t careless whether they win or not. A lot of us have checked out. Good luck to them.

Danny was doing ok until he traded for Kyrie. He had a chance to rectify that by trading Kyrie at the deadline before he walked, and he didn't do it. He was delusional enough to think Kyrie was still the future and wanted to stay. It was clear as day that Kyrie was poison and was not going to resign. Losing him for nothing hurt, and it hurt even more when Horford left for nothing because he thought there was a chance Kyrie was coming back and he did not want to play with him.

Losing two stars for nothing. And then being greedy with Hayward and getting a garbage trade exception instead of Turner was just inexcusable.

Basically all the years of amassing draft picks and clearing cap space to get those stars, and then losing them for nothing is why the Celtics are what they are now.

Nah. The Kyrie/Horford/Hayward window ended when Hayward broke his ankle in half on opening night. At that point the team was a dead team walking.

Since then Danny has been slowly transitioning to the Tatum/Brown era.

If they want the Tatum/Brown era, than they should have traded their coveted vets for some useful assets to put around the new duo rather than let them walk for nothing.

[BostonCouchGM]

as much as I've been vocal about Brad being a system coach of a tired system, it's really Danny's disastrous 2016 and 2019 drafts plus the Kemba signing that have us where we're at. I will fault Brad for refusing to face reality and start Pritchard and Nesmith, sending Kemba to the bench where he belongs. He doesn't have the guts to do it. And that's why he deserves a lot of blame as well.

[scottyno]

as much as I've been vocal about Brad being a system coach of a tired system, it's really Danny's disastrous 2016 and 2019 drafts plus the Kemba signing that have us where we're at. I will fault Brad for refusing to face reality and start Pritchard and Nesmith, sending Kemba to the bench where he belongs. He doesn't have the guts to do it. And that's why he deserves a lot of blame as well.

The 2016 draft where he drafted a borderine all nba player at #3 instead of 2 busts and a mediocre player? Quite the disaster. Sure he missed on 2 forced stashes, but most of the back half of that round didn't turn into much, must have been a whole lot of diasters then.

2019 they didn't really miss on much of anything at all, you can't be expected to hit on a pick when no one turned into anything good yet. So again, no not at all a disaster.

Though the fact that you think 2021 Pritchard deserves to be starting over Kemba tells me you aren't much of a judge of talent.

[scottyno]

Danny was doing ok until he traded for Kyrie. He had a chance to rectify that by trading Kyrie at the deadline before he walked, and he didn't do it. He was delusional enough to think Kyrie was still the future and wanted to stay. It was clear as day that Kyrie was poison and was not going to resign. Losing him for nothing hurt, and it hurt even more when Horford left for nothing because he thought there was a chance Kyrie was coming back and he did not want to play with him.

Losing two stars for nothing. And then being greedy with Hayward and getting a garbage trade exception instead of Turner was just inexcusable.

Basically all the years of amassing draft picks and clearing cap space to get those stars, and then losing them for nothing is why the Celtics are what they are now.

Nah. The Kyrie/Horford/Hayward window ended when Hayward broke his ankle in half on opening night. At that point the team was a dead team walking.

Since then Danny has been slowly transitioning to the Tatum/Brown era.

If they want the Tatum/Brown era, than they should have traded their coveted vets for some useful assets to put around the new duo rather than let them walk for nothing.

When were they ever supposed to trade those guys that it made any sense at all?

[Taget]

Conspiracy theory. In 2019 Brad Stevens and Pete Buttigieg who look nearly alike went as each other for Halloween. What if they were not pretending? Buttigieg actually did start coaching the Celtics and Stevens ran for President of the United States. Both being talented individuals actually had some initial success but then started crashing and burning at running for President and coaching the Celtics respectively. However they both still had way too much fun to switch back.

[truth18]

Conspiracy theory. In 2019 Brad Stevens and Pete Buttigieg who look nearly alike went as each other for Halloween. What if they were not pretending? Buttigieg actually did start coaching the Celtics and Stevens ran for President of the United States. Both being talented individuals actually had some initial success but then started crashing and burning at running for President and coaching the Celtics respectively. However they both still had way too much fun to switch back.

STICK 2 BAD SPORTZ

[Parliament10]

Conspiracy theory. In 2019 Brad Stevens and Pete Buttigieg who look nearly alike went as each other for Halloween. What if they were not pretending? Buttigieg actually did start coaching the Celtics and Stevens ran for President of the United States. Both being talented individuals actually had some initial success but then started crashing and burning at running for President and coaching the Celtics respectively. However they both still had way too much fun to switch back.

Stick to Basketball.

~ Parl

[jumblin]

Nah. The Kyrie/Horford/Hayward window ended when Hayward broke his ankle in half on opening night. At that point the team was a dead team walking.

Since then Danny has been slowly transitioning to the Tatum/Brown era.

If they want the Tatum/Brown era, than they should have traded their coveted vets for some useful assets to put around the new duo rather than let them walk for nothing.

When were they ever supposed to trade those guys that it made any sense at all?

Kyrie at the deadline his last year when it was clear he was going to leave. Hayward last offseason for Turner. If you had traded Kyrie, Horford likely would have resigned for cheap.

[Bleeding Green]

You are bat **** insane if you trade your best player and starting point guard 20 games before the end of the season when you're a 3 seed @35-19. Also you have zero realistic suitors.

[moonie_mcgee]

Rob? Not Jaylen? Are you kidding?

Say what you will about Jaylen's game, but he's a born leader as evidenced by the fact that he's already the VP of the NBPA: https://www.nba.com/celtics/news/sidebar/prac-022019-jaylen-brown-elated-elected-nbpa-youngest-vice-president

Jaylen seems too moody to be a real leader. Guy takes himself waaaaay too seriously. Rob seems like a guy with really positive energy, always seems excited out there while Jaylen is thinking about his next social justice initiative.

I don't think the players hate Brad or its a full-on mutiny I just think they're sitting around like "Brad, are you going to like do the coaching thing anytime soon?" Guy looks completely out of answers

Bill Russell was personally a lot moodier than Jaylen, and publicly a more significant racial-justice advocate.

Russell won 11 championships

[scottyno]

If they want the Tatum/Brown era, than they should have traded their coveted vets for some useful assets to put around the new duo rather than let them walk for nothing.

When were they ever supposed to trade those guys that it made any sense at all?

Kyrie at the deadline his last year when it was clear he was going to leave. Hayward last offseason for Turner. If you had traded Kyrie, Horford likely would have resigned for cheap.

Ok, so you trade Hayward for Turner, which means no Fournier and TL is stuck playing 15-20 minutes off the bench all year and never emerges as a force. Their ceiling was much higher with the team that Ainge actually assembled instead.

Also no idea why you think Horford would have resigned for cheap when his leaving had nothing at all to do with Kyrie and everything to do with being offered a crazy contract by the Sixers.