Robert Williams, aka "Timelord"

[Tyakack]

Yeah, I won't argue with anyone that feels different. I know people tend to wanna be positive when things like this happen... But I'm always a realist. We have no chance of winning it all if he doesn't come back. None. We can still make noise. That's it. Sucks...

[fallguy]

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If the Celtics do weather this pretty well thanks to Theis, Brad seriously will be in the Executive of the Year discussion.

Yeah really glad it's not Enes or Bruno being the next man up.

We don't talk about Bruno ...

... nor should we.

[GoCeltics123]

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[Feed Your Head]

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Don’t hold your breath.

[ajones9219]

4-6 weeks. Rob went into the future to see.

[Jaqua92]

We will see

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[Triple7]

Yeah, I won't argue with anyone that feels different. I know people tend to wanna be positive when things like this happen... But I'm always a realist. We have no chance of winning it all if he doesn't come back. None. We can still make noise. That's it. Sucks...

I agree with this. It’s not like we have a legit back up big that can compensate for the loss of Rob. Theis and Kornet won’t cut it. Siakam just punished Theis on consecutive plays. Literally taking it to him everytime. More like what Bam used to do in the bubble. We need to get some additional big for the playoffs. I doubt Rob will ever return this season. Team needs to accept and work something out, and prepare for that reality.

[Scoonie]

I like this guy.

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Arguably the best pro basketball center in the world right now who's not on an NBA roster. Putting up 17 pts, 9 rebs, 2 blocks and shooting 35% from 3 this season for the team that's in 1st place in the NBL, which is one of the best international pro leagues in the world. 6'11" with a 7'3" wingspan. 27 yrs old, right in the prime of his career.

Plus since he has very minimal NBA experience, we could sign him for cheap..

Sign him! He is on a one-year contract for Melbourne United and would be available to come over for next season. Looks like he'd be a perfect backup for TimeLord. Tall, athletic, active. I assume he is a good defender?

He leads the NBL in blocked shots (2.3 BPG), 3rd in rebounds (9.3 RPG), and is 7th in scoring (16.9 PPG) on the top team in the league.

https://nbl.com.au/stats/leaderboard

[hugepatsfan]

Yeah, I won't argue with anyone that feels different. I know people tend to wanna be positive when things like this happen... But I'm always a realist. We have no chance of winning it all if he doesn't come back. None. We can still make noise. That's it. Sucks...

I agree with this. It’s not like we have a legit back up big that can compensate for the loss of Rob. Theis and Kornet won’t cut it. Siakam just punished Theis on consecutive plays. Literally taking it to him everytime. More like what Bam used to do in the bubble. We need to get some additional big for the playoffs. I doubt Rob will ever return this season. Team needs to accept and work something out, and prepare for that reality.

Just want to be fair, Siakam and Bam are all star caliber players. Wanting your second string center to not be outmatched vs those guys is probably an unfair ask. Wanting a third string center who isn't outmatched vs those guys is definitely unfair. Theis is definitely a "legit" backup 5. I think your scale of what makes a legit backup 5 seems out of whack.

Ultimately, I think you see Horford have to be the starting 5, that way Theis can remain as the backup because he isn't good enough to start. That means Grant needs to start at the 4, which while he's solid is a huge drop off from what Rob brings to the starting lineup. I don't think we need another big because getting one isn't realistic. I think it needs to be Nesmith or Pritchard who really step up so we can play more minutes with Tatum as a 4 because that's just the best way to get NBA caliber talent out there and not over-rely on Theis.

[Jaqua92]

I wouldn't write off Rob just yet. Ime said a second or third round return might be possible.

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[ddb]

has it been shared yet if this was a grade 1, 2, or 3 MCL tear? Major difference between 1 (mild) and 3 (full tear). Mild tear is a couple of weeks. mid grade is more like 3-5 weeks. Also depends on how quickly ones body heals. I've known a handful of athletes with this injury that were all able to return rather quickly. One was a college soccer player....grade 2 tear....he did nothing for 2 weeks, then started running lightly for about a week or so... then started practicing and playing with a brace on....said it felt weird for another couple weeks but that he was able to play....then after about 5-6 weeks he was back to normal

They haven't but I assume it would have come out if it was a full grade 3 and needed surgery. I could be wrong

not necessarily. if he gets surgery it's repaired and the timeline is more straight forward/"guaranteed". if he opted not to get surgery there's a chance it may not heal properly and he may end up needing to get surgery in a few weeks anyway. most likely it would heal fine and he'd be back, but there's a little more risk with letting it heal on it's own. without knowing the situation, I pretty confident it's a grade 2 and he just decided to get surgery and have a set return date.

[Curmudgeon]

A scope to clean up some torn meniscus is no big deal unless it's a major tear, Been there, done that. You are walking on it the next day. The key is the rehab.

[Larry_Russell]

A scope to clean up some torn meniscus is no big deal unless it's a major tear, Been there, done that. You are walking on it the next day. The key is the rehab.

That is good to hear.

[sam_I_am]

has it been shared yet if this was a grade 1, 2, or 3 MCL tear? Major difference between 1 (mild) and 3 (full tear). Mild tear is a couple of weeks. mid grade is more like 3-5 weeks. Also depends on how quickly ones body heals. I've known a handful of athletes with this injury that were all able to return rather quickly. One was a college soccer player....grade 2 tear....he did nothing for 2 weeks, then started running lightly for about a week or so... then started practicing and playing with a brace on....said it felt weird for another couple weeks but that he was able to play....then after about 5-6 weeks he was back to normal

They haven't but I assume it would have come out if it was a full grade 3 and needed surgery. I could be wrong

not necessarily. if he gets surgery it's repaired and the timeline is more straight forward/"guaranteed". if he opted not to get surgery there's a chance it may not heal properly and he may end up needing to get surgery in a few weeks anyway. most likely it would heal fine and he'd be back, but there's a little more risk with letting it heal on it's own. without knowing the situation, I pretty confident it's a grade 2 and he just decided to get surgery and have a set return date.

He has an acute tear so he will get surgery. Wear and tear types don’t always do better with surgery. If they have to do full repair he is likely out for season. If they excise repair he could be back in 4-6 weeks but that is worse for longevity. I thinks it’s best to assume he is done for season.

[fallguy]

They haven't but I assume it would have come out if it was a full grade 3 and needed surgery. I could be wrong

not necessarily. if he gets surgery it's repaired and the timeline is more straight forward/"guaranteed". if he opted not to get surgery there's a chance it may not heal properly and he may end up needing to get surgery in a few weeks anyway. most likely it would heal fine and he'd be back, but there's a little more risk with letting it heal on it's own. without knowing the situation, I pretty confident it's a grade 2 and he just decided to get surgery and have a set return date.

He has an acute tear so he will get surgery. Wear and tear types don’t always do better with surgery. If they have to do full repair he is likely out for season. If they excise repair he could be back in 4-6 weeks but that is worse for longevity. I thinks it’s best to assume he is done for season.

This is where I am too. I expect he's done because they'll optimize for the long term.

This should be a lesson to the C's about managing his minutes/games though.

[zoyathedestroya]

People were on Stevens for not playing Rob enough minutes since medical staff were managing his health. Now people are on Ime for playing him "too much". So what's the sweet spot in terms of minutes/load? The answer might very well be there's none. They drafted him late 1st then extended him knowing full well leg injuries will be a concern. His style of play also isn't kind to those legs.

[fallguy]

People were on Stevens for not playing Rob enough minutes since medical staff were managing his health. Now people are on Ime for playing him "too much". So what's the sweet spot in terms of minutes/load? The answer might very well be there's none. They drafted him late 1st then extended him knowing full well leg injuries will be a concern. His style of play also isn't kind to those legs.

60-ish games a year.

[sam_I_am]

People were on Stevens for not playing Rob enough minutes since medical staff were managing his health. Now people are on Ime for playing him "too much". So what's the sweet spot in terms of minutes/load? The answer might very well be there's none. They drafted him late 1st then extended him knowing full well leg injuries will be a concern. His style of play also isn't kind to those legs.

High flyers get knee problems a lot. Tony Allen was a reserve as a rookie and still injured knee - a minor injury but was never as explosive again ( that was before the ACL tear on a dunk a few years later). These players log tons of minutes working out, practicing etc. Its silly to think 2 or 3 minutes per game would make that big of a difference this early in his career. Limiting back to backs? For sure, but 60 games at 24 minutes isn’t exactly a heavy load. Sometimes, **** happens.

[GoCeltics123]

Assuming Rob is on the roster next year, the team needs to add a high-level backup behind him in case this happens again.

That, or Theis needs to find his 19-20 form or something close to it