Official Celtics 2022 Off-Season Thread

[Bohemian]

Wait for them to get more mature??? Lol. Those guys ain’t that young anymore. They have been to 3 conf finals already. In 2 years time, Jaylen would want to get out if nothing changes. Jayson would want out as well. You are probably a few guys who are contented with being mediocre, and have the patience to wait.

First of all, I am not a few guys, just one

Secondly, I have followed this team for 35 years. You think you know me, good luck with that.

So tell us your big bright plan. Enlighten us, fans of the mediocre dreams lol.

Well i’m not contented with being a treadmill team. No fan would actually be fine with that. I want the team/front office to act now, and not wait for the Jays to mature, like what you want. Don’t really know if they are immature as players lol. Having two young studs are good, but you can’t wait for them to carry this team. That may never happen. This team doesn’t fit properly. Major changes needs to happen. I don’t think Ime is the right coach for this team. This team lacks leadership and identity. If you are fine with the team just because we have two young studs, then i’m happy for you. I personally would rather have one true star, with a bunch of good shooting players that fit and play hard every night. For the record, i have been a fan since 86. So that’s 35 yrs as well

Cool, but you didn´t tell me what your plan was. You know how tight the finances are, and the structure of the CBA. We have not many options, can´t sign big FA´s...so asking for changes is good, I agree. But you need to ask for something that can be done.

[Triple7]

First of all, I am not a few guys, just one

Secondly, I have followed this team for 35 years. You think you know me, good luck with that.

So tell us your big bright plan. Enlighten us, fans of the mediocre dreams lol.

Well i’m not contented with being a treadmill team. No fan would actually be fine with that. I want the team/front office to act now, and not wait for the Jays to mature, like what you want. Don’t really know if they are immature as players lol. Having two young studs are good, but you can’t wait for them to carry this team. That may never happen. This team doesn’t fit properly. Major changes needs to happen. I don’t think Ime is the right coach for this team. This team lacks leadership and identity. If you are fine with the team just because we have two young studs, then i’m happy for you. I personally would rather have one true star, with a bunch of good shooting players that fit and play hard every night. For the record, i have been a fan since 86. So that’s 35 yrs as well

Cool, but you didn´t tell me what your plan was. You know how tight the finances are, and the structure of the CBA. We have not many options, can´t sign big FA´s...so asking for changes is good, I agree. But you need to ask for something that can be done.

Trade. That’s the only solution. If brown, Smart or Timelord needs to go, so be it.

[zoyathedestroya]

W-L record in clutch games:

Jays era*: 50-57 (46.729%)
Kyrie era: 47-33 (58.75%)
IT era: 67-48 (58.261%)

*includes games after Kyrie got surgery in 2018

Cs are 5-9 this season.

[Fierce1]

W-L record in clutch games:

Jays era*: 50-57 (46.729%)
Kyrie era: 47-33 (58.75%)
IT era: 67-48 (58.261%)

*includes games after Kyrie got surgery in 2018

Cs are 5-9 this season.

How many of the 9 is Smart responsible for?

[Bohemian]

Well i’m not contented with being a treadmill team. No fan would actually be fine with that. I want the team/front office to act now, and not wait for the Jays to mature, like what you want. Don’t really know if they are immature as players lol. Having two young studs are good, but you can’t wait for them to carry this team. That may never happen. This team doesn’t fit properly. Major changes needs to happen. I don’t think Ime is the right coach for this team. This team lacks leadership and identity. If you are fine with the team just because we have two young studs, then i’m happy for you. I personally would rather have one true star, with a bunch of good shooting players that fit and play hard every night. For the record, i have been a fan since 86. So that’s 35 yrs as well

Cool, but you didn´t tell me what your plan was. You know how tight the finances are, and the structure of the CBA. We have not many options, can´t sign big FA´s...so asking for changes is good, I agree. But you need to ask for something that can be done.

Trade. That’s the only solution. If brown, Smart or Timelord needs to go, so be it.

Alright, but then propose a trade target using those three players (and picks, I guess) that makes us a better team than we are now. And for a player who is a realistic target, someone that may be in the market and not some foolish dream. The names out there are Lillard, Simmons, Sabonis... even if we got someone like Lillard here (not easy at all to convince Portland) is a team with Tatum and Lillard (minus Brown, Smart and Rob) better than our squad? That´s not clear at all. So, come on.

So, who do you have in mind? Cause right now the options out there are to have a similar squad after a trade.

The most LOGICAL and very SENSIBLE option is to keep both Tatum and Brown (Jaylen has missed half of the games so far), see if any of Romeo/Nesmith/Grant/Langford can become a reliable rotation player, keep the leadership of Al and Schröder and wait to see if we can get a vet shooter or a PF in some months.

While 29 teams envy our tandem of Jays, some people here prefer to focus on the green on the other side. Let´s be real.

[zoyathedestroya]

W-L record in clutch games:

Jays era*: 50-57 (46.729%)
Kyrie era: 47-33 (58.75%)
IT era: 67-48 (58.261%)

*includes games after Kyrie got surgery in 2018

Cs are 5-9 this season.

How many of the 9 is Smart responsible for?

I know you wanna pin this on Smart, but Tatum is the star of the team, now the face of the franchise. He takes a large portion of the blame pie when it comes to winning time. But you do you.

[zoyathedestroya]

This is gonna get ignored but whatever...

In Celtics clutch losses:
Smart is 3/3 from 3-pt area. Tatum is 1/11. Schroder is 0/6.
Smart has 3 assists to 1 turnover. Tatum has 1 assist and 5 turnovers.
Smart has taken 6 shots (made 4). Tatum is 13/33.
Smart has 9.6% usage and 94.5% TS%. Tatum has 39.6% usage and 51.7% TS%.

Smart makes one mistake or misses a shot on the court, he's the reason why we have a global pandemic.

[Feed Your Head]

This is gonna get ignored but whatever...

In Celtics clutch losses:
Smart is 3/3 from 3-pt area. Tatum is 1/11. Schroder is 0/6.
Smart has 3 assists to 1 turnover. Tatum has 1 assist and 5 turnovers.
Smart has taken 6 shots (made 4). Tatum is 13/33.
Smart has 9.6% usage and 94.5% TS%. Tatum has 39.6% usage and 51.7% TS%.

Smart makes one mistake or misses a shot on the court, he's the reason why we have a global pandemic.

You’re just a hater!

[Curmudgeon]

Smart made 3-4 great plays at the end of the Clippers game to actually give the Celtics a chance to tie at the end. Without Smart the game would not have been close.

[Fierce1]

Here we go with the stats again.

As if Celtic fans watching the games are blind.

How about the Dallas game?

Didn't everybody agree that Smart fouling Luka, when the Celts were about to get the ball back with 6 seconds left, was a dumb move?

The first game of the season, against the Knicks, Celts were just down 5, after trailing by 10 early in the 4th.
Celts called timeout with 6:51 left in the 4th.
After the timeout, Smart took an ill-advised 3 then made a bad pass and the Knicks were suddenly up 10 points, 105-95.

Or how about the Spurs game where the Celts had a 1-point lead, with 1:41 remaining in the 4th, then Smart forced a bounce pass that was going to hit Horford's knee.
Spurs end up with the ball, take the lead, and the rest is history.

Your stats will never tell whole story.

If Smart is so good, why is the Celts just a .500 team this season and just a play-in team last season?

When Hayward was a Celtic, the Celts were very good.

So what changed?

After Hayward left, Smart was given the starting job and doing a lot more of the playmaking chores that Hayward did in 2019-20.

You guys want to blame Tatum?

If Smart is a better shooter and not making stupid plays, the Celts will not fall behind a lot.
But what's happening is because Smart is not a good shooter, opposing teams are letting him shoot.

Will your stats tell you how opposing teams, like what Vogel did against the Celts at Staples, are defending the Celts?
After RWill was dominating the Lakers early in the 1st, the Lakers made an adjustment that shut down RWill.
What the Lakers did was going under the screen and letting Smart and Schroder shoot 3s.

If Smart and the other role players on the Celts were better 3-point shooters, RWill will get a lot of points inside the paint.
But what opposing teams are doing to the Celts right now is daring Celtic players like Smart to shoot 3s and focusing on not letting the Celts get inside the paint.

Some of you guys are treating real basketball like it's NBA 2K or NBA Live.

[Fierce1]

Smart made 3-4 great plays at the end of the Clippers game to actually give the Celtics a chance to tie at the end. Without Smart the game would not have been close.

Celts would not have to come from behind all the time if Smart is making shots early in the game.

Reason why Celts are always behind this season is because they miss a lot of shots early.

You really think the Celts would just be a .500 team if the starting PG is Brogdon or SGA instead of Smart?

[Fierce1]

Celtics with IT as the starting PG ended up with 48 wins and 53 wins.

Celts with Kyrie as the starting PG had 55 wins and 49 wins.

Even with a healthy Kemba the Celts got 48 wins during Covid-19.

What all 3 of those starting PGs have in common is you can't leave them open because they will make you pay.

That also means opposing teams can't go under the screen because IT, Kyrie, and Kemba would make 3-pointers on a regular basis.

Right now what's happening with the Celts is they're having a hard time attacking the paint because the defenders are focusing on defending the paint and letting the Celts shoot 3s.

When a 2-3 Zone is giving the Celts problems, that means you're not a good 3-point shooting team.

Try using a 2-3 Zone against a team like GSW.

[zoyathedestroya]

Lol so you tend to remember all of Smart's mistakes and not everyone else's. Talk about the "whole picture". So hard to take seriously. I'm done (for the day). The bias is real.

[Fierce1]

Lol so you tend to remember all of Smart's mistakes and not everyone else's. Talk about the "whole picture". So hard to take seriously. I'm done (for the day). The bias is real.

Bias?

Tatum is averaging 25.7 ppg and 8.8 rpg.
He's productive, one of the best players in the league.

Can you honestly tell everybody here that the Celts will still be a .500 team if they have Brogdon or SGA as the starting PG?

[Fierce1]

Celtic record without Tatum is 7-12.
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/what-is-the-celtics-record-without-tatum

Celtic record without Smart is 58-48.
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/what-is-the-celtics-record-without-marcus-smart

[DarkAzcura]

[Zeroforwinger]

Lol so you tend to remember all of Smart's mistakes and not everyone else's. Talk about the "whole picture". So hard to take seriously. I'm done (for the day). The bias is real.

Bias?

Tatum is averaging 25.7 ppg and 8.8 rpg.
He's productive, one of the best players in the league.

Can you honestly tell everybody here that the Celts will still be a .500 team if they have Brogdon or SGA as the starting PG?

You left out assists for some reason…..

[Fierce1]

Lol so you tend to remember all of Smart's mistakes and not everyone else's. Talk about the "whole picture". So hard to take seriously. I'm done (for the day). The bias is real.

Bias?

Tatum is averaging 25.7 ppg and 8.8 rpg.
He's productive, one of the best players in the league.

Can you honestly tell everybody here that the Celts will still be a .500 team if they have Brogdon or SGA as the starting PG?

You left out assists for some reason…..

He's a PF/SF, so assists are really just a bonus.

Just like a PG's 2 main stats are points and assists.

[playa-hater]

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[playa-hater]

This is gonna get ignored but whatever...

In Celtics clutch losses:
Smart is 3/3 from 3-pt area. Tatum is 1/11. Schroder is 0/6.
Smart has 3 assists to 1 turnover. Tatum has 1 assist and 5 turnovers.
Smart has taken 6 shots (made 4). Tatum is 13/33.
Smart has 9.6% usage and 94.5% TS%. Tatum has 39.6% usage and 51.7% TS%.

Smart makes one mistake or misses a shot on the court, he's the reason why we have a global pandemic.

You’re just a hater!

please, not even close..