Welcome to Boston, MALCOLM BROGDON – (6MOY - 2023)

[Curmudgeon]

Has Brogdon himself said anything about this? I see lots of media speculation, but zero quotes. Sounds to me like the Clippers-- who caused the Celtics to trade Smart when they didn't really want to and who are currently in the process of rerunning the Russell Westbrick experiment--are covering their asses.

[steefP2]

Has Brogdon himself said anything about this? I see lots of media speculation, but zero quotes. Sounds to me like the Clippers-- who caused the Celtics to trade Smart when they didn't really want to and who are currently in the process of rerunning the Russell Westbrick experiment--are covering their asses.

Nah radio silence from brogdon himself, I believe he spends the majority of his off season in Africa doing charity work

[chrisab123]

Injury Management and the Celtics: Where have we heard that before?

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Ugggh. I miss Marcus Smart.

Don't cry for Marcus just remember somewhere out there Marcus is sitting around shooting 3s from half court

[Curmudgeon]

Don't cry for Marcus just remember somewhere out there Marcus is sitting around shooting 3s from half court

And shooting a better percentage from beyond the arc than Jaylen Brown, and a massively better percentage in the playoffs. And getting steals, charges, rebounds and dimes. And providing leadership.

Marcus was dealt because Stevens felt that Smart was undermining his protege, Mazzulla, and perhaps Smart was. But he wasn't dealt for basketball reasons.

[BK_2020]

Don't cry for Marcus just remember somewhere out there Marcus is sitting around shooting 3s from half court

And shooting a better percentage from beyond the arc than Jaylen Brown, and a massively better percentage in the playoffs. And getting steals, charges, rebounds and dimes. And providing leadership.

Marcus was dealt because Stevens felt that Smart was undermining his protege, Mazzulla, and perhaps Smart was. But he wasn't dealt for basketball reasons.

Marcus was dealt because the Clippers didn't want Brogdon.

[Hal14]

I just remembered something.

Didn't Brogdon actively want to be traded to the Celtics? (Presumably on a short list of teams, but not just one team long.)

If so, he might indeed be a little annoyed that the Cs tried to send him out as quality trade filler because they liked two other guards better (or three counting Jaylen), all of whom were already on the roster when they made the deal to get him.

Boston and Toronto were both interested in trading for Brogdon. Brogdon chose Boston, because he'd have a better shot at winning a title here - and also I think partly because we're a more well run organization with better people. Plus, he's been buddies with Jaylen for awhile since they're both from ATL and got drafted the same year.

If so, he might indeed be a little annoyed that the Cs tried to send him out as quality trade filler because they liked two other guards better (or three counting Jaylen), all of whom were already on the roster when they made the deal to get him.

a) it shouldn't have surprised Malcolm if he was the guard out of the 3 that the C's wanted to trade, considering he played the least amount last season out of the 3 - despite the fact that he was being paid the most (which tells you that out of the 3, he was on the worst contract since he was being paid the most but playing the least which tells you that is the contract the team would want to trade). The other 2 guys (Smart, White) have been with the C's longer which means they would likely be more embedded into the team's future plans. Brogdon is also the oldest of the 3 and the the only 1 of the 3 who was currently injured (and has more of an injury history than Smart and White).

Brogdon is a smart (no pun intended) guy - he's got a master's degree. I'm sure he knows all of this so wouldn't be surprised if the team traded him.

b) with all that being said, the fact that Brogdon was in the initial trade, doesn't necessarily mean the Celtics value him the least of the 3 guards. It could simply mean that the Clippers valued him the most, so the clippers really wanted to trade for Brogdon.

c) Reports over the past couple of days have actually indicated that Brogdon is not upset about the near-trade to the clippers - but rather the way the team handled his elbow injury.

Even that however, is merely speculation - since we still have not heard anything from Brogdon himself..

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I just remembered something.

Didn't Brogdon actively want to be traded to the Celtics? (Presumably on a short list of teams, but not just one team long.)

If so, he might indeed be a little annoyed that the Cs tried to send him out as quality trade filler because they liked two other guards better (or three counting Jaylen), all of whom were already on the roster when they made the deal to get him.

Boston and Toronto were both interested in trading for Brogdon. Brogdon chose Boston, because he'd have a better shot at winning a title here - and also I think partly because we're a more well run organization with better people. Plus, he's been buddies with Jaylen for awhile since they're both from ATL and got drafted the same year.

If so, he might indeed be a little annoyed that the Cs tried to send him out as quality trade filler because they liked two other guards better (or three counting Jaylen), all of whom were already on the roster when they made the deal to get him.

a) it shouldn't have surprised Malcolm if he was the guard out of the 3 that the C's wanted to trade, considering he played the least amount last season out of the 3 - despite the fact that he was being paid the most (which tells you that out of the 3, he was on the worst contract since he was being paid the most but playing the least which tells you that is the contract the team would want to trade). The other 2 guys (Smart, White) have been with the C's longer which means they would likely be more embedded into the team's future plans. Brogdon is also the oldest of the 3 and the the only 1 of the 3 who was currently injured (and has more of an injury history than Smart and White).

Brogdon is a smart (no pun intended) guy - he's got a master's degree. I'm sure he knows all of this so wouldn't be surprised if the team traded him.

b) with all that being said, the fact that Brogdon was in the initial trade, doesn't necessarily mean the Celtics value him the least of the 3 guards. It could simply mean that the Clippers valued him the most, so the clippers really wanted to trade for Brogdon.

c) Reports over the past couple of days have actually indicated that Brogdon is not upset about the near-trade to the clippers - but rather the way the team handled his elbow injury.

Even that however, is merely speculation - since we still have not heard anything from Brogdon himself..

Most of that makes sense, but you had a brain cramp when you wrote B. The sequence of events shows that the Cs preferred dealing Brogdon for less pick value than dealing Smart for more.

[Hal14]

I just remembered something.

Didn't Brogdon actively want to be traded to the Celtics? (Presumably on a short list of teams, but not just one team long.)

If so, he might indeed be a little annoyed that the Cs tried to send him out as quality trade filler because they liked two other guards better (or three counting Jaylen), all of whom were already on the roster when they made the deal to get him.

Boston and Toronto were both interested in trading for Brogdon. Brogdon chose Boston, because he'd have a better shot at winning a title here - and also I think partly because we're a more well run organization with better people. Plus, he's been buddies with Jaylen for awhile since they're both from ATL and got drafted the same year.

If so, he might indeed be a little annoyed that the Cs tried to send him out as quality trade filler because they liked two other guards better (or three counting Jaylen), all of whom were already on the roster when they made the deal to get him.

a) it shouldn't have surprised Malcolm if he was the guard out of the 3 that the C's wanted to trade, considering he played the least amount last season out of the 3 - despite the fact that he was being paid the most (which tells you that out of the 3, he was on the worst contract since he was being paid the most but playing the least which tells you that is the contract the team would want to trade). The other 2 guys (Smart, White) have been with the C's longer which means they would likely be more embedded into the team's future plans. Brogdon is also the oldest of the 3 and the the only 1 of the 3 who was currently injured (and has more of an injury history than Smart and White).

Brogdon is a smart (no pun intended) guy - he's got a master's degree. I'm sure he knows all of this so wouldn't be surprised if the team traded him.

b) with all that being said, the fact that Brogdon was in the initial trade, doesn't necessarily mean the Celtics value him the least of the 3 guards. It could simply mean that the Clippers valued him the most, so the clippers really wanted to trade for Brogdon.

c) Reports over the past couple of days have actually indicated that Brogdon is not upset about the near-trade to the clippers - but rather the way the team handled his elbow injury.

Even that however, is merely speculation - since we still have not heard anything from Brogdon himself..

Most of that makes sense, but you had a brain cramp when you wrote B. The sequence of events shows that the Cs preferred dealing Brogdon for less pick value than dealing Smart for more.

That's possible, but it's also making assumptions about what actually took place with closed door conversations between NBA GM's - conversations that we do not know the full details of so we're both merely speculating.

It's entirely possible that Brad (at the time he was agreeing to the Brogdon to Clippers trade) had no idea he'd be able to get Porzingis AND 2 first round picks for Smart. If he had known he could pull that off, who knows - he may have just done that trade from the get-go.

Maybe you're right. Or, maybe the initial deal was Brogdon to Clippers, because the Clippers wanted Brogdon instead of Smart. We might never know for sure.

I'm simply saying, that Brogdon shouldn't necessarily feel disrespected because the Celtics wanted to trade him instead of Smart and White, when it's at least somewhat possible that the Clippers simply wanted Brogdon instead of Smart and White. In which case, that should make Brogdon feel good about himself.

Either way, my main point was that Brogdon is a smart guy, he's been around for awhile, should know it's a business and it's certainly no disrespect to get traded for an all-star caliber player like Porzingis, and it's no disrespect if the C's did prefer to keep Smart and White over Brogdon..

[chrisab123]

Don't cry for Marcus just remember somewhere out there Marcus is sitting around shooting 3s from half court

And shooting a better percentage from beyond the arc than Jaylen Brown, and a massively better percentage in the playoffs. And getting steals, charges, rebounds and dimes. And providing leadership.

Marcus was dealt because Stevens felt that Smart was undermining his protege, Mazzulla, and perhaps Smart was. But he wasn't dealt for basketball reasons.

How many titles resulted from "Winning Plays and Leadership"

[Curmudgeon]

Don't cry for Marcus just remember somewhere out there Marcus is sitting around shooting 3s from half court

And shooting a better percentage from beyond the arc than Jaylen Brown, and a massively better percentage in the playoffs. And getting steals, charges, rebounds and dimes. And providing leadership.

Marcus was dealt because Stevens felt that Smart was undermining his protege, Mazzulla, and perhaps Smart was. But he wasn't dealt for basketball reasons.

How many titles resulted from "Winning Plays and Leadership"

All of them.

[chrisab123]

And shooting a better percentage from beyond the arc than Jaylen Brown, and a massively better percentage in the playoffs. And getting steals, charges, rebounds and dimes. And providing leadership.

Marcus was dealt because Stevens felt that Smart was undermining his protege, Mazzulla, and perhaps Smart was. But he wasn't dealt for basketball reasons.

How many titles resulted from "Winning Plays and Leadership"

All of them.

This core was not winning a title. They needed to trade 1 of the 3. Who was the only non all star out of the group? Sooner or later you're going to have to move on.