Trade/Free Agency Thread, whose NINE is it anyways?? 2023-24

[ddb]

The fact that people are comparing OG to Jaylen is downright embarrassing. I don't care if OG was on a minimum and Jaylen is supermaxed. Jaylen is the much better player, and the player you'd rather have on your team. Period. There's no debate. No stats. Nothing to draw comparisons of the two. Simply put, if you replaced JB with OG, you're a worse basketball team.

Why are you surprised? Just curious. 75% of this board has wanted Brown/Brogdon gone since Smart got traded. You even had a thread posted on this board asking people who would they rather keep, Brown or Marcus Smart and Smart got quite a few votes. There's three types of fans that want to trade Brown on this board.

Fans that are obsessed about Wyc's bank account and check book
Marcus Smart Stans that for some reason blame Brown for him being gone even though Marcus said they had no beef and thus will give Brown away for spare parts just because...
People who think that Brown will demand a trade.

I'm more of the third option where he's probably going to demand a trade. But say they max him out and he has a career year and then asks out next year. Wouldn't you get a package better than what you would this offseason? He'd have term on his contract and would be All NBA again and would still be young. This is why trading him now for 70 cents on the dollar doesn't make any sense.

He won’t have a career year next year. Not with Tatum and Porzingis on board. I think he’s peaked already. He won’t get better stats next year if he stays a celtic. Nobody would want that 295M. We would end up getting half of his value, or end up getting an awful one as well. He’s not a number 1 player. He won’t suddenly learn how to dribble left, and learn to pass the ball.

I think he will have a great year. 25ppg 6rpg 4apg but on really efficient shooting splits and less turnovers

[165bows]

Is Jaylen number one in the league in lost ball turnovers? Ie, turnovers not on the pass.

Spoiler:

Can't find the full list but a sampling: Embiid at 91, A. Edwards is at 88, Tatum at 78, Randle at 75, JB at 68, Jokic at 68, Luka at 64. Draymond G. turns it over at about the same rate but only 19 lost ball turnovers, guy has hands of steel

[Triple7]

I pointed out the stats I have an issue with and how you use them. If I didn’t name them, you can assume I don’t have an issue with them. What I’m arguing about is how you’re using stats as a blunt instrument without providing context. I’m not even sure you know how these stats are calculated and what they hold into account.

But again; it’s not secret jaylen rates poorly in these. But that shouldn’t be the end of the conversation. I probably land with Jaylen somewhere in the 23-30 rank among the league but I think discussing players in that range as better or worse in a strict sense is reductive. With the 2nd and 3rd tier of star, team construction and such jace to be a major element of the conversation for it to mean anything.

Lastly I would say I’m arguing that you seem to not want to give Jaylen a max or supermax contract. I would infer from that you would want to trade him right now ? But I haven’t seen a proposal from you that would actually make our team better so it’s just a lot of complaining without offering an alternative; in a super condescending tone no less.

I offered an alternative. JB for OG + Boucher + picks. I've also posted various other JB trade ideas on here.

Which is why I specified “make the team better”

I would trade Trae for JB plus fillers straight up if atlanta is willing. That would give us a more balanced roster that fits well. We have a pg that can shoot and penetrate inside off the dribble. Unlike Dame, Trae can actually pass the ball well. Imagine throwing lobs on both sides for Rob or Zinger. Plus JT would still be the number 1 guy. Trae’s defensive deficiency can be hidden with White at the 2, Tatum at the 3, zinger at the 4, and rob or Al at the 5. Also, i think Jaylen resigns in atlanta.

[Celtics_Champs]

Can’t wait to give this guy a 300 million contract ..

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Caleb Martin talking trash now? The one hit wonder who disappeared in the finals?

**** this league is so toxic.

[steefP2]

I offered an alternative. JB for OG + Boucher + picks. I've also posted various other JB trade ideas on here.

Which is why I specified “make the team better”

I would trade Trae for JB plus fillers straight up if atlanta is willing. That would give us a more balanced roster that fits well. We have a pg that can shoot and penetrate inside off the dribble. Unlike Dame, Trae can actually pass the ball well. Imagine throwing lobs on both sides for Rob or Zinger. Plus JT would still be the number 1 guy. Trae’s defensive deficiency can be hidden with White at the 2, Tatum at the 3, zinger at the 4, and rob or Al at the 5. Also, i think Jaylen resigns in atlanta.

Atlanta isn’t trading trae. They’re super high on him with quinn and they’re not trading the best hawks since Dominique. He’s not the same level of player but this is like asking the Celtics to trade Tatum for a lesser player and picks. It doesn’t happen. Trae is a hawk until he asks out

[Andrew McCeltic]

So if you’re keeping the point guards you have the vet minimum options.

If you deal Pritchard or Brogdon you have to fill a spot in the backcourt. But you have to deal one or both if you want to use the TPE or taxMLE and stay under apron 2.

Tax MLE is off the table- the only guy I’d want is Dosunmu.

TPE options for a wing, combo forward or backup point guard?

Pritchard or Brogdon trades for a wing, combo forward or point guard?

OR: Jaylen trades for a wing and combo forward..

[Ben-N1ce]

Supermax should be incentive based. If he scoffs I'd say if you don't believe in yourself long term why should we. He's not even a top 20 player getting paid number 1. That is literally Kirk Cousins at one point..which is a pretty good comparison...actually.

[sam_I_am]

Can’t wait to give this guy a 300 million contract ..

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In a few days, try to keep your excitement down.

I wonder if Cleveland fans were happy when 26 yo Lebron left for Miami after scoring 15 pts in game 5 loss at home and then having 9 turnovers in game 6 loss to Celtics. Brown had a terrible game 7 when called upon to be better than Butler/Bam and came up woefully short. It happens and has happened to much better players than Brown.

He is still exactly the guy we think he is - a top 30 player playing on the team that drafted him. He has been outperforming his contract for 4 years. This year he will be 41st highest paid player.

If he gets the full supermax, he will be the 7-9th highest paid player the next year. That isn’t insane if he is still a top 25 player. Definitely better than seeing him walk for nothing after this season or being forced to trade him as an expiring who can’t be extended.

[Celts17Pride]

Supermax should be incentive based. If he scoffs I'd say if you don't believe in yourself long term why should we. He's not even a top 20 player getting paid number 1. That is literally Kirk Cousins at one point..which is a pretty good comparison...actually.

maybe you should have sat in the new CBA negotiations. That's not how the league works.

Edit: It is incentive based. You have to stay with the team that drafted you for 7 years and make the All-NBA teams. Done and done.

[Triple7]

Can’t wait to give this guy a 300 million contract ..

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Wtf! This **** is just too funny! Imagine paying the guy 300M. We would be the laughing stock of the league. How can you justify paying a guy that can’t dribble left that money??? Yuck!

[Ben-N1ce]

Supermax should be incentive based. If he scoffs I'd say if you don't believe in yourself long term why should we. He's not even a top 20 player getting paid number 1. That is literally Kirk Cousins at one point..which is a pretty good comparison...actually.

maybe you should have sat in the new CBA negotiations. That's not how the league works.

So you can't offer a player less with excentives...isn't that what Brooks just got....a can make up to x amount contract?

[Hal14]

Which is why I specified “make the team better”

I would trade Trae for JB plus fillers straight up if atlanta is willing. That would give us a more balanced roster that fits well. We have a pg that can shoot and penetrate inside off the dribble. Unlike Dame, Trae can actually pass the ball well. Imagine throwing lobs on both sides for Rob or Zinger. Plus JT would still be the number 1 guy. Trae’s defensive deficiency can be hidden with White at the 2, Tatum at the 3, zinger at the 4, and rob or Al at the 5. Also, i think Jaylen resigns in atlanta.

Atlanta isn’t trading trae. They’re super high on him with quinn and they’re not trading the best hawks since Dominique. He’s not the same level of player but this is like asking the Celtics to trade Tatum for a lesser player and picks. It doesn’t happen. Trae is a hawk until he asks out

That wouldn't be like the Celtics trading Tatum. Tatum is a top 5 player in the league. Trae is maybe top 20. They're not on the same level.

It would be like if the Jazz traded Donovan Mitchell, which just happened last summer.

Also, doing this move would give the Hawks better balance. Right now, their 2 best players are both point guards, which is not good. Trae and Murray both made all-star team the year *before* they teamed up, but last season as teammates, neither of them made all-star. And the numbers went down last season for both of them. Doing this trade would give them 1 star PG and 1 star wing, which is better balance. It would also give the celtics 1 star PG and 1 star wing, rather than the status quo in Boston which is 2 star wings and 0 star PG's..

With that being said, I did hear a rumor that the Hawks are open to trading anyone on the team except for Trae..so admittedly, this one is a little farfetched..

[Celts17Pride]

Supermax should be incentive based. If he scoffs I'd say if you don't believe in yourself long term why should we. He's not even a top 20 player getting paid number 1. That is literally Kirk Cousins at one point..which is a pretty good comparison...actually.

maybe you should have sat in the new CBA negotiations. That's not how the league works.

So you can't offer a player less with excentives...isn't that what Brooks just got....a can make up to x amount contract?

If Brown is with his original team for 7 years and makes the All-NBA team then he is eligible for a supermax deal. Brown and the Celtics are negotiating the terms. I've been on record (and ignored) for the last 2 months that Brown won't get the full super max but the Celtics and Brown will come to terms on an extension. When it is done we all will see.

[ParticleMan]

I offered an alternative. JB for OG + Boucher + picks. I've also posted various other JB trade ideas on here.

Which is why I specified “make the team better”

I would trade Trae for JB plus fillers straight up if atlanta is willing. That would give us a more balanced roster that fits well. We have a pg that can shoot and penetrate inside off the dribble. Unlike Dame, Trae can actually pass the ball well. Imagine throwing lobs on both sides for Rob or Zinger. Plus JT would still be the number 1 guy. Trae’s defensive deficiency can be hidden with White at the 2, Tatum at the 3, zinger at the 4, and rob or Al at the 5. Also, i think Jaylen resigns in atlanta.

I've also argued that trade would make a lot of sense, but if ATL were willing to do that I bet it'd be done already.

[Andrew McCeltic]

We’re the only team who can pay him more than the max. Anything less than the full supermax is still in his interest.

His only leverage is to refuse to extend if we shop him instead. I think that’s posturing - he doesn’t want to leave and he wants above max money, but he wouldn’t turn down guaranteed money somewhere else. Even if he did, there are teams who would take their chances anyway.

[Curmudgeon]

I'll gladly take Bogdanovic and Okongwu. They can keep Young.

[Celts17Pride]

Some of the posters in here want to replace "turnover prone" Jaylen Brown (who averaged the same amount of turnovers as Tatum) with the guy who has lead the league in turnovers for 2 years running in Trae Young.

Classic!

[steefP2]

I would trade Trae for JB plus fillers straight up if atlanta is willing. That would give us a more balanced roster that fits well. We have a pg that can shoot and penetrate inside off the dribble. Unlike Dame, Trae can actually pass the ball well. Imagine throwing lobs on both sides for Rob or Zinger. Plus JT would still be the number 1 guy. Trae’s defensive deficiency can be hidden with White at the 2, Tatum at the 3, zinger at the 4, and rob or Al at the 5. Also, i think Jaylen resigns in atlanta.

Atlanta isn’t trading trae. They’re super high on him with quinn and they’re not trading the best hawks since Dominique. He’s not the same level of player but this is like asking the Celtics to trade Tatum for a lesser player and picks. It doesn’t happen. Trae is a hawk until he asks out

That wouldn't be like the Celtics trading Tatum. Tatum is a top 5 player in the league. Trae is maybe top 20. They're not on the same level.

It would be like if the Jazz traded Donovan Mitchell, which just happened last summer.

Also, doing this move would give the Hawks better balance. Right now, their 2 best players are both point guards, which is not good. Trae and Murray both made all-star team the year *before* they teamed up, but last season as teammates, neither of them made all-star. And the numbers went down last season for both of them. Doing this trade would give them 1 star PG and 1 star wing, which is better balance. It would also give the celtics 1 star PG and 1 star wing, rather than the status quo in Boston which is 2 star wings and 0 star PG's..

With that being said, I did hear a rumor that the Hawks are open to trading anyone on the team except for Trae..so admittedly, this one is a little farfetched..

I literally said in my post that they’re not on the same level. Score 0 for reading comprehension I guess. I only meant the comparison as in he’s their franchise guy. Maybe read the post before “refuting”. Oh and if you think dejounte Murray is a star pg I’d suggest looking him up on those metric you like so much.

[Triple7]

Some of the posters in here want to replace "turnover prone" Jaylen Brown (who averaged the same amount of turnovers as Tatum) with the guy who has lead the league in turnovers for 2 years running in Trae Young.

Classic!

At least Trae can dribble left.

[Triple7]

Atlanta isn’t trading trae. They’re super high on him with quinn and they’re not trading the best hawks since Dominique. He’s not the same level of player but this is like asking the Celtics to trade Tatum for a lesser player and picks. It doesn’t happen. Trae is a hawk until he asks out

That wouldn't be like the Celtics trading Tatum. Tatum is a top 5 player in the league. Trae is maybe top 20. They're not on the same level.

It would be like if the Jazz traded Donovan Mitchell, which just happened last summer.

Also, doing this move would give the Hawks better balance. Right now, their 2 best players are both point guards, which is not good. Trae and Murray both made all-star team the year *before* they teamed up, but last season as teammates, neither of them made all-star. And the numbers went down last season for both of them. Doing this trade would give them 1 star PG and 1 star wing, which is better balance. It would also give the celtics 1 star PG and 1 star wing, rather than the status quo in Boston which is 2 star wings and 0 star PG's..

With that being said, I did hear a rumor that the Hawks are open to trading anyone on the team except for Trae..so admittedly, this one is a little farfetched..

I literally said in my post that they’re not on the same level. Score 0 for reading comprehension I guess. I only meant the comparison as in he’s their franchise guy. Maybe read the post before “refuting”. Oh and if you think dejounte Murray is a star pg I’d suggest looking him up on those metric you like so much.

Dejounte is a much better fit with JT than Jaylen. Dejounte, okongwu plus bogdanovic for Jaylen and Rob.