Jayson Tatum Thread

[ConstableGeneva]

Players in NBA history who've played the most games per season:

1 Dennis Johnson: 91.43 games per season
2 John Havlicek: 90.13
3 Bobby Jones: 89.90
4 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: 89.85
5 AC Green: 89.44

6 Jayson Tatum: 89.43
Best mark: 100 games in 2021-22
Worst mark: 69 games in 2020-21
Seasons played: 7

A modern player finishing this high up on this ranking is quite impressive considering what teams do to rest their stars during the regular season these days, especially when it comes to star-level players. So Boston Celtics forward Jayson Tatum deserves much credit for ranking so high in this exercise. At the same time, that moreso has to do with the number of deep playoff runs Tatum and Boston have made in their time together, and the lower sample size on his career, because Tatum has yet to suit up in all 82 regular-season games in a single campaign. On the other hand, he already has five playoff runs in which he has played in at least 17 games, which really helps lift him up this ranking.

There are no other current players on the list, which goes all the way to Tommy Heinsohn at #39.

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-iron-men/?itm_source=parsely-api

Did they adjust for shortened COVID seasons? If they didn't, JT should be higher on the list.

[ConstableGeneva]

BREAKING NEWS!: He's now shooting sub-60% TS% for the season. In last 15 games, JB (57.4) has had a better TS% than JT (57.0). League average for the season is 57.4%

[Fierce1]

BREAKING NEWS!: He's now shooting sub-60% TS% for the season. In last 15 games, JB (57.4) has had a better TS% than JT (57.0). League average for the season is 57.4%

That's more like old news than breaking news.

[shackles10]

One of JT's strengths is he does not care about stuff like that.

He's really just focused on basketball.

If he wins MVP the "knock" will go away.

He cares and he has said as much in interviews about wanting to be MVP and be the face of the league. I don’t think he was tricking us or has changed that much since. It’s not gone as planned, but we won a title partly bc of his sacrifice Joe had him and everyone else buy into so obviously being team oriented worked too. I don’t think there’s a high level player in the history of the league for say the last 20-30 years who doesn’t care about being recognized.

Here's the thing, if he truly wants to be MVP, why is he jacking up so many 3s?

He's saying all the right things, but what he does on the court is not wanting to be MVP.

And with all the commercials and endorsements he has, he's definitely recognized.

Because he believes he can make them, believes it’s a good shot, and Joe encourages him to take them. For the first 2 he’d hardly be the first player to make poor basketball decisions because of extreme confidence including most MVP’s. The results are just different for them, but most MVP’s take and make difficult shots. Personally I think we need more than his shot selection to be proof he doesn’t want to win MVP and doesn’t care.

[Fierce1]

He cares and he has said as much in interviews about wanting to be MVP and be the face of the league. I don’t think he was tricking us or has changed that much since. It’s not gone as planned, but we won a title partly bc of his sacrifice Joe had him and everyone else buy into so obviously being team oriented worked too. I don’t think there’s a high level player in the history of the league for say the last 20-30 years who doesn’t care about being recognized.

Here's the thing, if he truly wants to be MVP, why is he jacking up so many 3s?

He's saying all the right things, but what he does on the court is not wanting to be MVP.

And with all the commercials and endorsements he has, he's definitely recognized.

Because he believes he can make them, believes it’s a good shot, and Joe encourages him to take them. For the first 2 he’d hardly be the first player to make poor basketball decisions because of extreme confidence including most MVP’s. The results are just different for them, but most MVP’s take and make difficult shots. Personally I think we need more than his shot selection to be proof he doesn’t want to win MVP and doesn’t care.

Basically what I'm saying is he wants to be MVP but he's not doing a good job of trying to achieve that goal.

[Bar Fight]

Luka started the season on the worst slump of his career. And he’s already surpassed JT in FG%

[165bows]

Luka started the season on the worst slump of his career. And he’s already surpassed JT in FG%

Wait but who’s Player Efficiency Rating (PER) is better?

[Bar Fight]

Luka started the season on the worst slump of his career. And he’s already surpassed JT in FG%

Wait but who’s Player Efficiency Rating (PER) is better?

Point is, Luka is trending up while JT has steadily declined. He needs to play more efficient basketball if he wants to stay in MVP talks

[zoyathedestroya]

Cut down his stepback three attempts. Needs a faceup midrange shot instead of turnaround fadeaway. But these two shots have been ingrained in him since he was a teenager, thank you Drew. So dunno if he will ever replace them as his go-to iso shots. Like always, make more or take less.

Rim and catch-and-shoot threes are really good for him.

Anyway, he is who he is even if it’s not good enough for MVP. It would still be good enough to win another title considering the talent around him.

[Shak_Celts]

Cut down his stepback three attempts. Needs a faceup midrange shot instead of turnaround fadeaway. But these two shots have been ingrained in him since he was a teenager, thank you Drew. So dunno if he will ever replace them as his go-to iso shots. Like always, make more or take less.

Rim and catch-and-shoot threes are really good for him.

Anyway, he is who he is even if it’s not good enough for MVP. It would still be good enough to win another title considering the talent around him.

IF LUKA IS GOOD ENOUGH, TATUM DANG SURE IS!!



Not yelling at you, I’m annoyed with Tatum having to do everything and still get overlooked. I’m also just tired of Luka being put ahead of Tatum. I don’t know if you’ve made that argument one way or the other anyway.

[zoyathedestroya]

Cut down his stepback three attempts. Needs a faceup midrange shot instead of turnaround fadeaway. But these two shots have been ingrained in him since he was a teenager, thank you Drew. So dunno if he will ever replace them as his go-to iso shots. Like always, make more or take less.

Rim and catch-and-shoot threes are really good for him.

Anyway, he is who he is even if it’s not good enough for MVP. It would still be good enough to win another title considering the talent around him.

IF LUKA IS GOOD ENOUGH, TATUM DANG SURE IS!!



Not yelling at you, I’m annoyed with Tatum having to do everything and still get overlooked. I’m also just tired of Luka being put ahead of Tatum. I don’t know if you’ve made that argument one way or the other anyway.

I have Tatum top 4. Jokic is clear favorite for me despite their team record. MVP should be an individual award, but not to the point that the team has a losing record. Not his fault their owner is a cheapskate or that their coach for years couldn’t come up with combinations that can tread water while he’s on the bench. SGA, Giannis, Tatum next three however order anyone wants to put them in. I don’t think it matters much. All four play both ends. All four don’t miss games if they can help it. Giannis the least impactful if one looks at +/-. Tatum shouldn’t be docked for having a great supporting cast around him. Cs more than survive now whenever he sits.

I put premium on defense as much as offense so Doncic for me isn’t MVP-worthy til he makes strides on that end.

EDIT: I do think Tatum still has a next gear to his game. Add a couple more go-tos in his scoring bag and improve his shot selection along with his efficiency.

He’s been all about wanting to be among the greatest to ever play. He’ll figure it out.

[Fierce1]

JT will make his MVP push in March.

[shackles10]

JT will make his MVP push in March.

He better hope he's right there even with the rest if he's waiting until March to make the push. 4.5 months of the season already in the books at that point, if we're going from March 1 even.

[Fierce1]

JT will make his MVP push in March.

He better hope he's right there even with the rest if he's waiting until March to make the push. 4.5 months of the season already in the books at that point, if we're going from March 1 even.

I think the voters will make up their minds closer to the end of the season.

If JT has a good showing in March, I think he has a chance.

[shackles10]

That's fair. If Joker plays like this all season and Denver makes any improvements at all they could already have their minds made up. If SGA gets a new sports bra with better aUrA he might wrap it up by then if records between OKC and Celtics are similar because the media has a pretty lame narrative on Tatum currently.

[Bar Fight]

I think JT had the narrative heading into the season with the Olympic snub. And the fact that people assumed there would be voter fatigue with Jokic. Then JT shot himself out of discussions with his recent inefficiency and Jokic upped his historic numbers to another level.

[Fierce1]

I think JT had the narrative heading into the season with the Olympic snub. And the fact that people assumed there would be voter fatigue with Jokic. Then JT shot himself out of discussions with his recent inefficiency and Jokic upped his historic numbers to another level.

You're talking as if the season will be over next week.

There's still 4 months to go.

JT just needs to be efficient at the right time.

Voters will remember March more and December less.

[Bar Fight]

I think JT had the narrative heading into the season with the Olympic snub. And the fact that people assumed there would be voter fatigue with Jokic. Then JT shot himself out of discussions with his recent inefficiency and Jokic upped his historic numbers to another level.

You're talking as if the season will be over next week.

There's still 4 months to go.

JT just needs to be efficient at the right time.

Voters will remember March more and December less.

Yeah, nah lol. The top players are just too good and efficient to just have an efficient month in March and win the MVP. You gotta maintain those numbers throughout the season to have a chance. You can't be hot and cold

[Fierce1]

I think JT had the narrative heading into the season with the Olympic snub. And the fact that people assumed there would be voter fatigue with Jokic. Then JT shot himself out of discussions with his recent inefficiency and Jokic upped his historic numbers to another level.

You're talking as if the season will be over next week.

There's still 4 months to go.

JT just needs to be efficient at the right time.

Voters will remember March more and December less.

Yeah, nah lol. The top players are just too good and efficient to just have an efficient month in March and win the MVP. You gotta maintain those numbers throughout the season to have a chance. You can't be hot and cold

JT may not be efficient now, but he's not lacking in production.

So it's not hot and cold because his problem is not production, it's efficiency.

If you're leading the team in scoring, rebounding, and assists, that's MVP material.

That's why I said March because JT only needs to improve in the efficiency department as the season gets nearer to closing.

[Bar Fight]

You're talking as if the season will be over next week.

There's still 4 months to go.

JT just needs to be efficient at the right time.

Voters will remember March more and December less.

Yeah, nah lol. The top players are just too good and efficient to just have an efficient month in March and win the MVP. You gotta maintain those numbers throughout the season to have a chance. You can't be hot and cold

JT may not be efficient now, but he's not lacking in production.

So it's not hot and cold because his problem is not production, it's efficiency.

If you're leading the team in scoring, rebounding, and assists, that's MVP material.

That's why I said March because JT only needs to improve in the efficiency department as the season gets nearer to closing.

His production isn't anywhere near the level of Jokic/Giannis AND he's less efficient. An efficient March is not going to make up the difference unless he averages like 40+ for the month lol