Free Agent, (Trade), Buyout, Extension & Conversion Thread, 2025
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Jrue will be missed in the playoff so I wouldn't trade him. He seems injured so he needs to get 2 weeks off to get his body close to 100%. Don't forget he had a very long summer - like JT and White. Against LAL his injury was apparent - missing at the basket alone (twice), unforced TO and sub par defense. This is not true Jrue
Springer found his footing and can play, at least on defense. He can replace the time Jrue needs to heal. After Jrue, send White to rehabilitate.
I would trade PP and Queta right now. They are the only bench players that have some value. PP could be replaced with Lonnie. When he is being guarded he barely produces, so I don't think he is the answer from the bench in the playoff.
Queta, who I like, will not be better than a 4th string center. We need more
If I can get Kessler for 2 1sts - I'll do it. He instantly becomes our best rebounder and defensive big on our team
Springer found his footing and can play, at least on defense. He can replace the time Jrue needs to heal. After Jrue, send White to rehabilitate.
I would trade PP and Queta right now. They are the only bench players that have some value. PP could be replaced with Lonnie. When he is being guarded he barely produces, so I don't think he is the answer from the bench in the playoff.
Queta, who I like, will not be better than a 4th string center. We need more
If I can get Kessler for 2 1sts - I'll do it. He instantly becomes our best rebounder and defensive big on our team
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phincsfan wrote:Fierce1 wrote:phincsfan wrote:
I don't dispute the wanting of 1st round picks, but I would think those picks would have to be much better than late 1st's? He's playing very good and he's dirt cheap for the next two years. The Spurs can trade Zach Collins and two 1st's in this draft turn around and draft talent now. They have cap room.
Yeah, but the Spurs are loaded at the SF/SG position.
They are but he's better. Get him and trade Johnson. Vassell's contract is a tough one to move, not so much Johnson's.
I really don't think Brad will move any of the top 8.
That's why my top 3 on the wish list are Coffey, Julian Champagnie, and Javonte Green.
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ThePigeon wrote:Jrue will be missed in the playoff so I wouldn't trade him. He seems injured so he needs to get 2 weeks off to get his body close to 100%. Don't forget he had a very long summer - like JT and White. Against LAL his injury was apparent - missing at the basket alone (twice), unforced TO and sub par defense. This is not true Jrue
Springer found his footing and can play, at least on defense. He can replace the time Jrue needs to heal. After Jrue, send White to rehabilitate.
I would trade PP and Queta right now. They are the only bench players that have some value. PP could be replaced with Lonnie. When he is being guarded he barely produces, so I don't think he is the answer from the bench in the playoff.
Queta, who I like, will not be better than a 4th string center. We need more
If I can get Kessler for 2 1sts - I'll do it. He instantly becomes our best rebounder and defensive big on our team
With the contract PP has, he's not going anywhere.
I would love to get Kessler, but I don't think the Jazz are serious about trading him.
And Queta is so cheap, just keep him for insurance.
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phincsfan wrote:Curmudgeon wrote:Meh, you'll miss Jrue come playoff time. The guy who needs to go is Brown, who is a great individual scorer but has the BBIQ of a turnip.
He was the finals MVP. That's when it counts.
Meh. He barely deserved it, and he sure hasn't been playing to that level recently.
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Curmudgeon wrote:phincsfan wrote:Curmudgeon wrote:Meh, you'll miss Jrue come playoff time. The guy who needs to go is Brown, who is a great individual scorer but has the BBIQ of a turnip.
He was the finals MVP. That's when it counts.
Meh. He barely deserved it, and he sure hasn't been playing to that level recently.
Who guarded Luka ?
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Cam Johnson would be a tremendous add for this team.
We are a three point shooting team with no natural shooters in our starting lineup. How crazy is that? A three point shooting team that doesn’t have real shooters. All our starters are decent shooters, don’t get me wrong. But they are all self made shooters and that’s why we are so streaky IMO.
Cam is a money shooter and he can start. Would love him on this team.
How could we get him, tho?
We are a three point shooting team with no natural shooters in our starting lineup. How crazy is that? A three point shooting team that doesn’t have real shooters. All our starters are decent shooters, don’t get me wrong. But they are all self made shooters and that’s why we are so streaky IMO.
Cam is a money shooter and he can start. Would love him on this team.
How could we get him, tho?
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winsomme2 wrote:Cam Johnson would be a tremendous add for this team.
We are a three point shooting team with no natural shooters in our starting lineup. How crazy is that? A three point shooting team that doesn’t have real shooters. All our starters are decent shooters, don’t get me wrong. But they are all self made shooters and that’s why we are so streaky IMO.
Cam is a money shooter and he can start. Would love him on this team.
How could we get him, tho?
Only way to get him would be trade Holiday or White. Not happening.
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Which Draft Picks with Jrue, could the Celtics offer the Nets, that would actually interest Brooklyn's management in
a deal for Cam?
Have to be some very long range unprotected or minimally protected Picks...
a deal for Cam?
Have to be some very long range unprotected or minimally protected Picks...
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Curmudgeon wrote:phincsfan wrote:Curmudgeon wrote:Meh, you'll miss Jrue come playoff time. The guy who needs to go is Brown, who is a great individual scorer but has the BBIQ of a turnip.
He was the finals MVP. That's when it counts.
Meh. He barely deserved it, and he sure hasn't been playing to that level recently.
Neither has Tatum, White, Holiday, Hauser, Horford.....................................
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keevsnick1 wrote:winsomme2 wrote:Cam Johnson would be a tremendous add for this team.
We are a three point shooting team with no natural shooters in our starting lineup. How crazy is that? A three point shooting team that doesn’t have real shooters. All our starters are decent shooters, don’t get me wrong. But they are all self made shooters and that’s why we are so streaky IMO.
Cam is a money shooter and he can start. Would love him on this team.
How could we get him, tho?
Only way to get him would be trade Holiday or White. Not happening.
It would be a huge gamble for sure. Especially since BKN could then trade Jrue to MIL or PHI.
But Cam is that good of a shooter on a team that is shooting threes at an unprecedented level. Plus he’s a decent defender….
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winsomme2 wrote:Cam Johnson would be a tremendous add for this team.
We are a three point shooting team with no natural shooters in our starting lineup. How crazy is that? A three point shooting team that doesn’t have real shooters. All our starters are decent shooters, don’t get me wrong. But they are all self made shooters and that’s why we are so streaky IMO.
Cam is a money shooter and he can start. Would love him on this team.
How could we get him, tho?
Cam Johnson has shot 50 percent or higher or 25 percent or lower on threes in 25 of his 35 games this year. Meaning he is either white hot or ice old from three in over 70% of his games. Guess he's not a natural shooter either.
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A championship this year with no moves at the deadline and I’m completely fine with being boring and running it back with the same core (including a new deal for Al). Keep both picks or make some moves with those picks. Move XMan for cap relief. Other than that business as usual. Go for the dynasty label.
A back to back IMO solidifies JT and JB’s Celtic lore. A back to back championship gives a team the chance to say “only 6 organizations have done this”. In stone as GREAT!!
The sale of the team may create a hurdle if it’s an outside party or they may not skip a beat if it’s a group led by Pags. But, I definitely think the payroll will be asked to be tweaked.
- KP is the obvious contract that people want to move because it’s gonna be 30mil and expiring. IMO, it’s worthless because of the price and his injury history.
- Jrue is the other obvious contract that people want to move because of his age, price and the length of the contract. IMO, we wouldn’t get a young player or quality draft picks because of his age, price and length. I think his contract is movable in the 26’ offseason.
- The player and contract that I’m gonna throw out there that I believe has the most value based on age, price and length is White’s. IMO, White can get the C’s a quality player and draft picks.
Someone earlier mentioned how the Lakers and Celtics are rarely trade partners. Rivals who don’t want to help each other. But these Lakers are a little different because of LeBron James. As long as he still thinks he can compete and play he has lots of say with whatever team he’s on. If he thinks that he can play for 4 more years than does he care if he’s getting a 30 year old or a 21 year old teammate in a trade? If he thinks he can win with that player than that’s all that counts. Does LA really care about draft picks?
On the flip side the Celtics should do the same scouting they did when they traded for White. A young player on the upswing with a team friendly contract with the chance to eventually resign.
Remember that LA just like NY is all about optics. They don’t care about homegrown talent, they want the shiny thing that can help them win now. NY gave up 4 unprotected picks for Bridges.
Lakers get Derrick White
Celtics get Austin Reaves, rights to Clips 25’ 2nd, LAL swap 2026 1st with C’s , LAL 26’ 2nd and LAL 28’ unprotected 1st.
Reaves is definitely a young player on the upswing with a friendly contract who would fit in right away. 14mil is cut from the payroll next year getting closer to getting under the projected 208mil 2nd apron number for the 25/26 season.
Reaves has a player option for the 26/27 season and he'd most likely cost a pretty penny. At that point if he turns out to be a one year rental at least they would have picked up a couple of 1st's and the payroll would be 30mil less because White's contract was moved. If he continues to play well Jrue's contract may be a little easier to move because of it's shorter length.
25/26
KP-JT-JB-Reaves-Jrue
AL-Neems-Sam-PP-Walsh-Drew-Rico-Anton-whatever draftees from this year
A back to back IMO solidifies JT and JB’s Celtic lore. A back to back championship gives a team the chance to say “only 6 organizations have done this”. In stone as GREAT!!
The sale of the team may create a hurdle if it’s an outside party or they may not skip a beat if it’s a group led by Pags. But, I definitely think the payroll will be asked to be tweaked.
- KP is the obvious contract that people want to move because it’s gonna be 30mil and expiring. IMO, it’s worthless because of the price and his injury history.
- Jrue is the other obvious contract that people want to move because of his age, price and the length of the contract. IMO, we wouldn’t get a young player or quality draft picks because of his age, price and length. I think his contract is movable in the 26’ offseason.
- The player and contract that I’m gonna throw out there that I believe has the most value based on age, price and length is White’s. IMO, White can get the C’s a quality player and draft picks.
Someone earlier mentioned how the Lakers and Celtics are rarely trade partners. Rivals who don’t want to help each other. But these Lakers are a little different because of LeBron James. As long as he still thinks he can compete and play he has lots of say with whatever team he’s on. If he thinks that he can play for 4 more years than does he care if he’s getting a 30 year old or a 21 year old teammate in a trade? If he thinks he can win with that player than that’s all that counts. Does LA really care about draft picks?
On the flip side the Celtics should do the same scouting they did when they traded for White. A young player on the upswing with a team friendly contract with the chance to eventually resign.
Remember that LA just like NY is all about optics. They don’t care about homegrown talent, they want the shiny thing that can help them win now. NY gave up 4 unprotected picks for Bridges.
Lakers get Derrick White
Celtics get Austin Reaves, rights to Clips 25’ 2nd, LAL swap 2026 1st with C’s , LAL 26’ 2nd and LAL 28’ unprotected 1st.
Reaves is definitely a young player on the upswing with a friendly contract who would fit in right away. 14mil is cut from the payroll next year getting closer to getting under the projected 208mil 2nd apron number for the 25/26 season.
Reaves has a player option for the 26/27 season and he'd most likely cost a pretty penny. At that point if he turns out to be a one year rental at least they would have picked up a couple of 1st's and the payroll would be 30mil less because White's contract was moved. If he continues to play well Jrue's contract may be a little easier to move because of it's shorter length.
25/26
KP-JT-JB-Reaves-Jrue
AL-Neems-Sam-PP-Walsh-Drew-Rico-Anton-whatever draftees from this year
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Smart2Nesmith43 wrote:winsomme2 wrote:Cam Johnson would be a tremendous add for this team.
We are a three point shooting team with no natural shooters in our starting lineup. How crazy is that? A three point shooting team that doesn’t have real shooters. All our starters are decent shooters, don’t get me wrong. But they are all self made shooters and that’s why we are so streaky IMO.
Cam is a money shooter and he can start. Would love him on this team.
How could we get him, tho?
Cam Johnson has shot 50 percent or higher or 25 percent or lower on threes in 25 of his 35 games this year. Meaning he is either white hot or ice old from three in over 70% of his games. Guess he's not a natural shooter either.
How many of the 25 were 50 or higher?
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No Yabs ?!?! smdh
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winsomme2 wrote:Smart2Nesmith43 wrote:winsomme2 wrote:Cam Johnson would be a tremendous add for this team.
We are a three point shooting team with no natural shooters in our starting lineup. How crazy is that? A three point shooting team that doesn’t have real shooters. All our starters are decent shooters, don’t get me wrong. But they are all self made shooters and that’s why we are so streaky IMO.
Cam is a money shooter and he can start. Would love him on this team.
How could we get him, tho?
Cam Johnson has shot 50 percent or higher or 25 percent or lower on threes in 25 of his 35 games this year. Meaning he is either white hot or ice old from three in over 70% of his games. Guess he's not a natural shooter either.
How many of the 25 were 50 or higher?
16 times he shot 50% or above. 9 times he shot 25% or below. Which I mean, I'm not disputing he is a good shooter. I'm just saying if you expect him to come out and crank out 4/10 nights from 3 every night, that's not who he is.
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Smart2Nesmith43 wrote:winsomme2 wrote:Smart2Nesmith43 wrote:Cam Johnson has shot 50 percent or higher or 25 percent or lower on threes in 25 of his 35 games this year. Meaning he is either white hot or ice old from three in over 70% of his games. Guess he's not a natural shooter either.
How many of the 25 were 50 or higher?
16 times he shot 50% or above. 9 times he shot 25% or below. Which I mean, I'm not disputing he is a good shooter. I'm just saying if you expect him to come out and crank out 4/10 nights from 3 every night, that's not who he is.
Fair enough. Still he’d instantly be the best shooter on the team by quite a bit and he’s a legit starter.
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phincsfan wrote:Someone earlier mentioned how the Lakers and Celtics are rarely trade partners. Rivals who don’t want to help each other. But these Lakers are a little different because of LeBron James. As long as he still thinks he can compete and play he has lots of say with whatever team he’s on. If he thinks that he can play for 4 more years than does he care if he’s getting a 30 year old or a 21 year old teammate in a trade? If he thinks he can win with that player than that’s all that counts. Does LA really care about draft picks?
On the flip side the Celtics should do the same scouting they did when they traded for White. A young player on the upswing with a team friendly contract with the chance to eventually resign.
Remember that LA just like NY is all about optics. They don’t care about homegrown talent, they want the shiny thing that can help them win now. NY gave up 4 unprotected picks for Bridges.
Lakers get Derrick White
Celtics get Austin Reaves, rights to Clips 25’ 2nd, LAL swap 2026 1st with C’s , LAL 26’ 2nd and LAL 28’ unprotected 1st.
Reaves is definitely a young player on the upswing with a friendly contract who would fit in right away. 14mil is cut from the payroll next year getting closer to getting under the projected 208mil 2nd apron number for the 25/26 season.
Reaves has a player option for the 26/27 season and he'd most likely cost a pretty penny. At that point if he turns out to be a one year rental at least they would have picked up a couple of 1st's and the payroll would be 30mil less because White's contract was moved. If he continues to play well Jrue's contract may be a little easier to move because of it's shorter length.
Reaves is a big step down on defense but a proven playoff performer who is younger and cheaper than Derrick. Probably would be a rental for this year and next but if ownership wants to move White or Holiday for a cheaper guard who can still play, Reaves would be an option. Have no idea if LAL would want to move him, esp to Celtics. I think AD was talking they need to use their picks to add another big so he could play more PF and LA media floated the name Jakob Poetl, so I don’t know LAL would even be thinking upgrade guard from Reaves to White.
Edit: also last night Austin Reaves had 23/3/6 in the win and Derrick had 3 points (1-5) so it’s like maybe not an actual upgrade with how Derrick has been playing
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In my opinion we need all new bigs, this constant rotation of in/out is causing havoc.
next year we need to add a starter big worth his salt .
next year we need to add a starter big worth his salt .
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Fierce1 wrote:ThePigeon wrote:Jrue will be missed in the playoff so I wouldn't trade him. He seems injured so he needs to get 2 weeks off to get his body close to 100%. Don't forget he had a very long summer - like JT and White. Against LAL his injury was apparent - missing at the basket alone (twice), unforced TO and sub par defense. This is not true Jrue
Springer found his footing and can play, at least on defense. He can replace the time Jrue needs to heal. After Jrue, send White to rehabilitate.
I would trade PP and Queta right now. They are the only bench players that have some value. PP could be replaced with Lonnie. When he is being guarded he barely produces, so I don't think he is the answer from the bench in the playoff.
Queta, who I like, will not be better than a 4th string center. We need more
If I can get Kessler for 2 1sts - I'll do it. He instantly becomes our best rebounder and defensive big on our team
With the contract PP has, he's not going anywhere.
I would love to get Kessler, but I don't think the Jazz are serious about trading him.
And Queta is so cheap, just keep him for insurance.
I think the only move DA makes is trading Collins. Clarkson's foot injury is gonna make teams wary of making that move. I wonder if the ping pong balls finally bounce the right way for DA this year?
Kessler-Flagg-Lauri would be a fun frontcourt to stay up late to watch.





