Omer Asik Trade - Updated link pg.109

[KGboss]

If we could get rid of hump/bogans/brooks and take on Asik, that would be gold ddb....idk why but i really want to hang on to that clippers pick. A lot can happen in one off season. Granted they will still have CP3, but you never know with the other peices what will happen.

[soxfan2003]

okay so here is what I've been told by a buddy of mine on the Asik/Boston speculation. Take it for what it's worth.

Ainge is trying like hell to get Philly to become a facilitator in an Asik to Boston deal. Green and Bass are 2 players that peak Hou's interest. Ainge, believe it or not would like to hang on to both Green and Bass. I was told that Ainge loves the way Bass as matured as a player on and off the court. Views him as the prototypical 3rd big on a very good team. Even if Ainge is able to get this deal done he still views Sully/Bass finishing games together with Asik on the bench. Asik is a very good defensive Center, but not the type of guy you want on the court to finish games because of his horrendous free throw shooting and inability to space the floor. So ideally what Ainge is hoping for is an Asik/Sully unit starting. Bass as 3rd big, KO and Fav fight for 4th big mins. And then as far as Green goes, Ainge thinks Green is too steep an asking price for Asik. They see no reason to move Green who they view as a guy on a "fair" market deal.

So that leads us to Philly. Philly has 3 players who Houston is interested in. Turner, Young, Hawes. And we know about Philly needing to get to the salary cap floor at some point this season.

so what Ainge is trying to do is move the expiring deals of Hump/Bogans to Philly which gets them to the floor. and we know Hump/Bogs expire so Philly isn't hit with any contacts beyond this season. Essentially they get worse and pretty much guarantee themselves a top 5 pick this year. Ainge wants Philly to move 1 of the Hawes, Turner, Young group to Houston and then Asik would end up in Boston. I'm told Ainge is willing to deal 1 pick to Philly, likely the 2015 clips pick in exchange for cooperating as a facilitator. Ainge is also willing to basically give Brooks to Houston as well as a sweetener.

So it would look something like this.

Boston Out: Hump/Bogans/Brooks/2015 Clips
Boston In: Asik

Philly Out: Young
Philly In: Hump/Bogans/2015 Clips pick

Houston Out: Asik
Houston in: Young/Brooks

Leaves the Celts with a Rondo/Bradley/Green/Sully/Asik starting 5. Crawford is 1st guard off bench, Bass is first big off bench. Wallace/Lee/KO/Fav round out the bench unit. Very solid team that should be good enough for a Top 4 seed. So Ainge is developing his young core in a winning environment but is keeping potential future moves in play by keeping the majority of his picks, most notably the 2014 picks.

Leaves Philly with a terrible team. Along with Utah and Milwaukee, Philly would be a lock for a Top 5 pick. They maintain full control of their cap and then can feel comfortable rolling out MCW, Turner, etc without worrying about winning too many games. Ideally, they land Parker or Wiggins this year and then another blue chipper like Myles or Okafor next year... along with cap space they should be done with their rebuild by 2015.

Leaves Houston with Beverly/Harden/Parsons/Young/Howard Lin/Jones on bench among the others.

Personally, I think it's a win, win, win. Really just comes down to Philly cooperating and Houston being good with the Young/Brooks return

Given Asik's contract for next year is around 15 million -- I realize his cap charge is less but Boston ownership I suspect isn't wildly enthusiastic about paying Asik 15 million in salary --, Bass plus the Clippers pick is too much for him unless Asik is truly the "last piece" for a serious title contender and then you just have to do it. So I'm not surprised if Ainge wants to hang onto Bass if he is trying to win this season since Asik is not the last piece of a title contender.

So the information you received seems reasonable but there is at least one point that I think is incorrect. Philly has no need at all to get to the salary cap floor and so I doubt they would take on that much 2013-14 salary without getting compensated more for it. http://www.businessinsider.com/nba-sala ... ess-2013-9

I believe if they don't hit the floor, according to the article above they just have to divvy up the amount they miss it to their existing players on their own team so that doesn't mean they actually have to go over it or pay any real punitive penalty by being under it. They may rather be let's say 7 million under it then then 3 million over it since their ownership group gets to pocket that 3 million. I still expect Philly to be over it since they will find some trade they like but what I'm trying to say is Philly has decent leverage in a trade like this. The only thing they lose some leverage on is other teams have to know they want to tank and not bring back all of their players.

I've read rumors of these 3 teams being involved with a deal but this seems like the most logical trade yet but I would think Boston wouldn't be able to move out Humphries and Bogans in the same deal without taking on more salary or giving up more/better picks. Philly just has to ask themselves if they could get more for Young and their cap room then a draft pick expected to be in the 20's but with a chance it could be better.

As for Boston, I think they are doing a disservice to the fans if they do this trade without aggressively going "all in" *this season*. Players like Asik/Green/Bass are not even all-stars...nevermind HOFers so they may only have 2-3 years left of being nice contributing pieces for a playoff run. Asik may ask for too much money after next year so it makes zero sense to trade for him without trying to win it all this year and next year.

[cammac]

Raptor fan in peace
Toronto gets Bogans , Kelly O and LAC 1st trade Amir Johnson & Daye
Boston gets Asik
Houston gets Amir & Daye

Too sweet for Toronto and too sour for both Boston and Houston. I also think that this deal would put Boston over the hard cap as well.

You obvious know very little Amir is almost 18 per plus excellent defensively.
Daye is throw in.
Kelly is a work in process and also LAC in 2015 is 25 to 30th
Bogans just a expiring

[smith2373]

Am not a fan of trading Olynyk for Asik. Sure he hasn't had the best start to his NBA career but there's no need in giving up on him after only 16 games.

[Shamrock]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 40m
As Dec. 19 draws near, more & more folks forecasting three-team Asik deal & Boston right there w/Philly now in terms of likely destinations



These next few days should be interesting.

[shawn unkempt]

Why would Philly even want him? That doesn't really make any sense to me.

[jfs1000d]

Why would Philly even want him? That doesn't really make any sense to me.

Same reason Boston wants him. He's a good basketball player, in his prime at a position where there is little size in the NBA, and he's a difference maker.

the defensive stats aren't bogus.

That guy can play on any team. For a team like boston and philly, that's a player that can be a part of the solution.

OHH, HE IS GOING TO BE HAD ON THE CHEAP.

[tfmiii]

WOW ddb, if that trade (or reasonable facsimile) goes thru then Danny will look like Houdini comparing last year's roster to this... Doc's leaving seems to have unleashed Danny's inner Auerbach

[165bows]

Thanks for the info, as always ddb

One thing is, if we are dealing the expiring deal of Hump for Asik, you would have to think something else is on the horizon.. that is a ton of money to be committed to next season with Green, Asik, Bass, Lee, Wallace, Rondo and more... Ainge doesnt want to be over that tax line

I don't think they'd be too pressed into other moves based on what I can see. They'd be at just over $59M going into the offseason with the impending free agencies of Bradley, Crawford, and the two picks. It would be a bit tight to keep all of them and stay below the tax, but it could just be simple moves. Sign and trade Crawford somewhere, release Pressey, parlay a pick into a potential better one in the future-type moves. Or find a taker for Lee for a cheaper asset, but they wouldn't be too far off of where they would want to be.

[brackdan70]

Thanks for the info, as always ddb

One thing is, if we are dealing the expiring deal of Hump for Asik, you would have to think something else is on the horizon.. that is a ton of money to be committed to next season with Green, Asik, Bass, Lee, Wallace, Rondo and more... Ainge doesnt want to be over that tax line

I don't think they'd be too pressed into other moves based on what I can see. They'd be at just over $59M going into the offseason with the impending free agencies of Bradley, Crawford, and the two picks. It would be a bit tight to keep all of them and stay below the tax, but it could just be simple moves. Sign and trade Crawford somewhere, release Pressey, parlay a pick into a potential better one in the future-type moves. Or find a taker for Lee for a cheaper asset, but they wouldn't be too far off of where they would want to be.

If the tax level is around 72 million, and the two picks are 4-5 million combined, that still leaves us 9 million to resign AB and let Crawford walk or S and T, or maybe he is traded this season. another intersting aspect of that trade is it would get us far enough under the tax to actually use a sizable TPE. That would put us over the tax for next year, but....something to think about.

[Avalanche]

Thanks for the info, as always ddb

One thing is, if we are dealing the expiring deal of Hump for Asik, you would have to think something else is on the horizon.. that is a ton of money to be committed to next season with Green, Asik, Bass, Lee, Wallace, Rondo and more... Ainge doesnt want to be over that tax line

I don't think they'd be too pressed into other moves based on what I can see. They'd be at just over $59M going into the offseason with the impending free agencies of Bradley, Crawford, and the two picks. It would be a bit tight to keep all of them and stay below the tax, but it could just be simple moves. Sign and trade Crawford somewhere, release Pressey, parlay a pick into a potential better one in the future-type moves. Or find a taker for Lee for a cheaper asset, but they wouldn't be too far off of where they would want to be.

If the tax level is around 72 million, and the two picks are 4-5 million combined, that still leaves us 9 million to resign AB and let Crawford walk or S and T, or maybe he is traded this season. another intersting aspect of that trade is it would get us far enough under the tax to actually use a sizable TPE. That would put us over the tax for next year, but....something to think about.

Cool, good lookin' out guys

Still, there would certainly be something else to follow it up (offseason most likely), maybe just not as pressing financially as i thought

[Ed Pinkney]

Apologies if it has been posted earlier in the thread, but can some knowledgable cat explain to my simple ass how the trade exception can be used by Boston if this rumoured three team deal with Philly happens? I have no idea about how trade exceptions work.

[Avalanche]

Just a few quick hits.. (if someone wants to paste the twitter links, I cant.. just saw on my phone)

Alex Kennedy from Hoopsworld saying he's heard the deal is likely to get done tomorrow

Bill Simmons thinks Boston is the most likely destination (3-way with Philly) and Marc Stein says we are at the "heart" of the Asik trade

I guess we'll see

[Captain_Caveman]

Apologies if it has been posted earlier in the thread, but can some knowledgable cat explain to my simple ass how the trade exception can be used by Boston if this rumoured three team deal with Philly happens? I have no idea about how trade exceptions work.

Simmons mentioned that, but I don't see it. He are barely below the tax and have a hard cap set at $75.7m.

Barring another trade, we are not allowed to take on any more than $4m in extra salary this year.

Always the chance that this could happen with two separate trades, but I dunno.

The wild card is Philly being well under the salary cap. We could just send them a pick with either Bass or Lee, at which point we could simply absorb Asik's $8.4m cap number within the $10m trade exception we got from the Nets. Another possibility is sending Hump for a smaller salary on the Sixers like Hawes, freeing up enough money to use the TPE on Asik.

It's possible, but hard to see how we couldn't just work out the trade without the TPE.

[brackdan70]

Apologies if it has been posted earlier in the thread, but can some knowledgable cat explain to my simple ass how the trade exception can be used by Boston if this rumoured three team deal with Philly happens? I have no idea about how trade exceptions work.

If we send out Hump and Bogins thats 17 million and bring back Asik thats 8.3 million so Cs total salary is down about 9 million, so they could use the bulk of the exception to trade picks for a player around 9 million and stay under the cap for this year....next year would be a different story.

[Avalanche]

Woj:

With Rockets determined to make Omer Asik deal within 48 hours, Hawks, Celtics, Cavs, 76ers most serious suitors, league sources tell Yahoo.

Surely if the Hawks had Millsap on the table this would have been signed off already, so I wonder what the offer is there..

He also just said there is a "wildcard" fifth team

fun times eh

[Green89]

Pretty confident we're getting Omer. Question now is who are we giving up? If it's Brooks, Bogans, and Humphries, no way Danny doesn't win exec of the year.

[humblebum]

Definitely hoping this goes down as Hump/1st for Asik, third team or no. Leaves the Celtics poised to be a dominant defensive team with some offensive firepower with Craw, AB, Green, and Sullinger. If Rondo can come back healthy and put it all together along with Stevens you could have a dangerous team.

Gotta keep Bass and Green though. These guys are key to trying to contend and a move for Asik would certainly signal that direction.

[shawn unkempt]

Gotta think either the BK/ATL or LAC pick is going over if we actually do get him.

[Marley2Hendrix]

Sounds too good to be true, but would love it if it happens.