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Red2 wrote:maybe you use that dallas pick to unload wallace to portland so that you really have a ton of cap room
Valid wrote:shawn unkempt wrote:Valid wrote:Agreed. That's why I'm not so sure Ainge will simply flip Wright elsewhere at the deadline. I think he has a place here for the foreseeable future.
I have a hunch that Ainge pulled the trigger so early in the season on this trade was to be able to flip Wright later at the deadline.
Perhaps, but for what, though? He isn't going to get anything of great value for Wright. I don't think he is just going to trade him for a second-round pick. Maybe a contender gives a late first, but I doubt that.
sully00 wrote:
Maybe but the word is that Green isn't available.
Boston has been consistently shopping forward Jeff Green, trying to acquire a package that includes a first-round draft pick, sources said. Boston has been unable to find that in return for Green, but it is expected the Celtics will keep working to find a deal for Green before the February trade deadline.
sully00 wrote:CelticsPride18 wrote:jfs1000d wrote:Nelson will help. It's just not going anywhere. We are a half game out of 8 seed. I bet we are the 7 seed this year because Nelson will play well and wright will help interior.
Forget the playoffs. We will trade Green and bass to rebuild.
Maybe but the word is that Green isn't available. There is an element to this that is that this team has seen enough of Smart and of Rondo in Stevens' offense to know which way they are going. I don't know where Green fits into all this but I just felt Rondo was gone the minute this team drafted Smart. I have tried to convince myself of something else but it just didn't make sense.
sully00 wrote:smith2373 wrote:sully00 wrote:The really strange part of this deal is this team really needs Nelson and Wright's skill set. The idea of being an 8th seed type team with no Rondo doesn't sound exciting now but if in two months we are doing it with Smart in Rondo's role I think Ainge has done his job. Wright gives this team the athleticism and shot blocking it desperately needs in the post, you pick up another '15 draft pick. Wright is just an expiring contract right now but he is only 27 and was a top 10 pick coming into the league and is kind of a modern day Bo Outlaw he may end up being a guy you sign.
I am glad this over and we can move forward we know who we are now and what this team is trying to do. The best part is Rondo went to a great spot for him and now he doesn't really have a reason to go NY or LA and make us hate him. It is easy to root for the Mavs.
Nelson is pretty washed up honestly. I don't expect him to still be here past February, whether it's a trade or buyout.
Nelson is shooting 37% from 3 on 4.5 attempts per game and Boston is shooting 32% from 3 in a run and gun offense. I have no idea what the plan is but if this team wants to try and win games then Nelson is a huge upgrade to Phil Pressey.
jordb2k7 wrote:mcscotty wrote:Ainge butt raped Donnie. Jameer is almost as good as Rondo, plus you get a solid defender with a sweet stroke, a bonafide mid-tier big man, and a couple of picks to ice the cake. Screw you guys.
You're much more optimistic than most of the Celtic fans here.
ryaningf wrote:brackdan70 wrote:There will be a significant Trade exemption....I believe it can be set up so its the full 12.9 million of Rondos salary...any experts on that ?
Significant trade exemptions are helpful in acquiring high salaried vet-type players; i.e., the exact kind of player we don't need right now. Maybe you use it to absorb an overpaid player so you can extract another first round pick but once again this "asset" is less than what it appears.
Fact is, what we got for Rondo (a late first and a decent big) is exactly what we got for taking on Thornton's contract. That ain't enough IMO.
This move signals complete fire sale mode and tank life. I can imagine the poor offers we were getting for Bass, Green, Thornton, et al are only going to get worse. No leverage now, just sharks in the water.sully00 wrote:The scary part of the trade is Boston may actually be better on the floor.
Yup. The irony being we that we're too good to tank yet still 5+ years away from contending. Welcome to oblivion. Another mid-lotto pick, 2 late firsts, and irrelevance to look forward to in 2015.
KGboss wrote:He traded assets and got us banner 17. Nothing special to you huh? Danny has never showcased his drafting. His talent is in trades. People are too emotional and connected to this on a personal level just because it's Rondo to see the forest through the trees.
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KGboss wrote:He traded assets and got us banner 17. Nothing special to you huh? Danny has never showcased his drafting. His talent is in trades. People are too emotional and connected to this on a personal level just because it's Rondo to see the forest through the trees.
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CelticsPride18 wrote:sully00 wrote:CelticsPride18 wrote:
Forget the playoffs. We will trade Green and bass to rebuild.
Maybe but the word is that Green isn't available. There is an element to this that is that this team has seen enough of Smart and of Rondo in Stevens' offense to know which way they are going. I don't know where Green fits into all this but I just felt Rondo was gone the minute this team drafted Smart. I have tried to convince myself of something else but it just didn't make sense.
Woj said we are shopping Green for a picks. Also I will enjoy this team more now because we don't have the distractions of Rondo FA or competing for a playoff spot. Now we can focus on the development of the young guys and the development of Wright I think he can good on extended minutes.
The Celtics aren’t interested in trading Jeff Green in spite of recent inquiries about the forward from the Clippers, Pelicans and Grizzlies, who view the C’s as sellers, according to USA Today’s Jeff Zillgitt (Twitter link). That conflicts with a Wednesday report from Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports, who wrote that the C’s were shopping Green in hopes of landing a first-round pick. Boston turned down an offer for Green and Rajon Rondo that included Jordan Hill and a first-round pick, presumably among other assets, from the Lakers, as Zillgitt reported earlier today.
The interest from the Clippers isn’t surprising, given their apparent need at small forward and reported interest in Corey Brewer, among other targets. The Pelicans were reportedly aggressive in trade discussions as of a few weeks ago, and they, too, could use help at small forward. The Grizzlies aren’t blessed with star-quality wing talent, either, but it’s somewhat odd to see them involved given their 21-4 record. It’s unclear what any of the three teams is willing to relinquish to acquire Green.
The 28-year-old former No. 5 overall pick is in the midst of strong year, averaging a career-high 19.6 points per game, and he’s far and away Boston’s leading scorer this season. Reluctance on the part of Boston to move him would seem to indicate that president of basketball operations Danny Ainge isn’t about to undertake an aggressive rebuilding even if he lets go of Rondo, though given the conflicting reports, it’s tough to get a read on the C’s strategy. Green is making $9.2MM this season and has a player option for the same salary next year.
KGboss wrote:He traded assets and got us banner 17. Nothing special to you huh? Danny has never showcased his drafting. His talent is in trades. People are too emotional and connected to this on a personal level just because it's Rondo to see the forest through the trees.
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gocelts wrote:KGboss wrote:He traded assets and got us banner 17. Nothing special to you huh? Danny has never showcased his drafting. His talent is in trades. People are too emotional and connected to this on a personal level just because it's Rondo to see the forest through the trees.
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He traded our best asset for crap. There is no forest. Seriously who's our best player? Green? We can't trade him either.....our 2015 pick? We STILL aren't the worst team.....no forest my friend....just a big field of S--t.
sully00 wrote:CelticsPride18 wrote:sully00 wrote:
Maybe but the word is that Green isn't available. There is an element to this that is that this team has seen enough of Smart and of Rondo in Stevens' offense to know which way they are going. I don't know where Green fits into all this but I just felt Rondo was gone the minute this team drafted Smart. I have tried to convince myself of something else but it just didn't make sense.
Woj said we are shopping Green for a picks. Also I will enjoy this team more now because we don't have the distractions of Rondo FA or competing for a playoff spot. Now we can focus on the development of the young guys and the development of Wright I think he can good on extended minutes.
Yup then there was this.The Celtics aren’t interested in trading Jeff Green in spite of recent inquiries about the forward from the Clippers, Pelicans and Grizzlies, who view the C’s as sellers, according to USA Today’s Jeff Zillgitt (Twitter link). That conflicts with a Wednesday report from Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports, who wrote that the C’s were shopping Green in hopes of landing a first-round pick. Boston turned down an offer for Green and Rajon Rondo that included Jordan Hill and a first-round pick, presumably among other assets, from the Lakers, as Zillgitt reported earlier today.
The interest from the Clippers isn’t surprising, given their apparent need at small forward and reported interest in Corey Brewer, among other targets. The Pelicans were reportedly aggressive in trade discussions as of a few weeks ago, and they, too, could use help at small forward. The Grizzlies aren’t blessed with star-quality wing talent, either, but it’s somewhat odd to see them involved given their 21-4 record. It’s unclear what any of the three teams is willing to relinquish to acquire Green.
The 28-year-old former No. 5 overall pick is in the midst of strong year, averaging a career-high 19.6 points per game, and he’s far and away Boston’s leading scorer this season. Reluctance on the part of Boston to move him would seem to indicate that president of basketball operations Danny Ainge isn’t about to undertake an aggressive rebuilding even if he lets go of Rondo, though given the conflicting reports, it’s tough to get a read on the C’s strategy. Green is making $9.2MM this season and has a player option for the same salary next year.
Now this could be as simple as no one is going to give up a 1st round pick for Green. There is a risk because he is not simply a rental if he doesn't work out after a deal he can opt in on any contender that traded for him. Bottom line is that Ainge is tying up so many draft picks in his own treasure chest that it is going to make it harder and harder for him to acquire more.
More teams would be in on Green and he is playing better but he is probably more than happy to take Boston's money and Boston doesn't really have someone to take on his role right now. At some point the value of the assets currently on your roster start to matter just as much as the picks you have in the future. For Smart, Sully, KO to be worth a damn they have to be productive in a competitive situation.
BannersOnly wrote:KGboss wrote:He traded assets and got us banner 17. Nothing special to you huh? Danny has never showcased his drafting. His talent is in trades. People are too emotional and connected to this on a personal level just because it's Rondo to see the forest through the trees.
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LOL, bro, when we don't win another title the next 5 years(and I'll bet my wife's muff we won't!), then he'll have won 1 title in 18 years as a GM. Whoohoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a great GM! Cmon, man...........that's the same amount of titles as Joe Dumars as a GM. Is he great too? Give me a break.........