What now?

[Stadium5]

Huh? He's been impatient? Really?

Did he sign Mozgov and Evan Turner to big deals? Did he not just have two max slots open and the chance to bring aboard a KD? Wait...he did. Why? Because he's been patient and hasn't made panic moves, just because the rebuild is longer than some fans want it to be.

Bro, we all are "sick of waiting till next year", but there's very little DANNY AINGE can do to change that.

He put us in position to get KD. He didn't choose us, that's not Ainge's fault.

He stock piled our assets with picks and solid players on very good deals. He's trying to make that big move but there's simply none out there that will immediately turn this franchise around in one day.

It's not fun, but patience is a must in team building.

Making the playoffs the past two years is anything but a patient move. Again, I think Wyc has a lot to do with this. I've heard his interviews on the radio, the man is completely fan boy level delusional when it comes to his players

I totally disagree.

We had a chance to sign Durant just because we made the playoffs two years in a row.

You think Durant even considers this team if we tanked? Not a chance.

Going to the playoffs and doing what we've done put this team on the map for players around the league. Stars now take notice of Boston. Heck, we just signed our biggest FA ever in Horford. We don't sign him if we tank.

Because of our playoff runs, people realize what a genius Brad Stevens really is. You think people are saying that about Brett Brown?

We exported our tank to Brooklyn. There's no reason to tank since they're doing that for us. Therefore what we're doing is without a doubt the best course of action we could and can take.

Clearly we disagree.

We had a chance to sign Durant because we have a bunch of role players that he would have around him as "the guy" with Nets picks as extra pieces to build on whatever KD would have brought here in a weaker conference. KD seeing us get smashed in the playoffs two years in a row absolutely did not entice him to come here, that's absurd.

Horford came here because we have a brighter future than Atlanta, and the Atlanta fans blow in comparison to Boston sports fans. Explain to me how a "genius" gets swept in the playoffs, and what actually classifies him as a "genius" at all. Relentlessly giving Evan Turner, David Lee, Phil Pressey, and other dead end weight minutes over our young guys that we're banking on in the long haul?

We have the luxury of the BKN picks, but as seen with the Durant fiasco, do not put all your eggs in a basket that is out of your hand. Double up on the draft with our own picks partnered with the BKN picks and you have even better trade chips or higher valued prospects than we do now. Horford may have still signed here as long as we are trending up with prospect

[ajones9219]

Ainge has done done ton of moves the last 8 years since ou title.........and yet here we are still lacking a STUD to do the heavy lifting even though he has built a roster full of vets that have a low ceiling and will be needing bigger contracts soon. He's drafted like sh*t and the best homegrown player on the roster right now is Avery fn Bradley LOL. Brown can be a STUD but it will take take a few years. In the meantime we are saddled being the Atlanta Hawks of the past couple years and we might not even be that good. Danny fanboys need to stop being so sensitive.......its the truth.

Yeah, we are just like the Atlanta hawks....if the hawks were more talented and had top lottery picks gifted to it every season.

[Stadium5]

You also run the high probability that you'll never land an impact free agent for the sake of jumping a few draft spots.

We run the high probability of never landing an impact free agent anyways. Consider me not enthused about landing a 30 year old who made his career headlining a treadmilling team in the Eastern conference. I'd much prefer landing a 19-20 year old special talent who has 0 NBA miles on his legs and a clean slate to build special legacy in Boston for himself. But I know I know, I'm the impatient one for being ok waiting 4 years for such draft pick to bloom

Or wait 4 years for the same player to bust. That's why you take the sure thing

Yup, there's definitely a gamble. But that's how you miss out and never get to experience having the 25 year old Paul George, Demarcus Cousins, Russell Westbrook, James Harden, KAT, Lilliard, and so on and so on.

Give me that gamble over the tail end of Al Horford anyday

[ajones9219]

Making the playoffs the past two years is anything but a patient move. Again, I think Wyc has a lot to do with this. I've heard his interviews on the radio, the man is completely fan boy level delusional when it comes to his players

I totally disagree.

We had a chance to sign Durant just because we made the playoffs two years in a row.

You think Durant even considers this team if we tanked? Not a chance.

Going to the playoffs and doing what we've done put this team on the map for players around the league. Stars now take notice of Boston. Heck, we just signed our biggest FA ever in Horford. We don't sign him if we tank.

Because of our playoff runs, people realize what a genius Brad Stevens really is. You think people are saying that about Brett Brown?

We exported our tank to Brooklyn. There's no reason to tank since they're doing that for us. Therefore what we're doing is without a doubt the best course of action we could and can take.

Clearly we disagree.

We had a chance to sign Durant because we have a bunch of role players that he would have around him as "the guy" with Nets picks as extra pieces to build on whatever KD would have brought here in a weaker conference. KD seeing us get smashed in the playoffs two years in a row absolutely did not entice him to come here, that's absurd.

Horford came here because we have a brighter future than Atlanta, and the Atlanta fans blow in comparison to Boston sports fans. Explain to me how a "genius" gets swept in the playoffs, and what actually classifies him as a "genius" at all. Relentlessly giving Evan Turner, David Lee, Phil Pressey, and other dead end weight minutes over our young guys that we're banking on in the long haul?

We have the luxury of the BKN picks, but as seen with the Durant fiasco, do not put all your eggs in a basket that is out of your hand. Double up on the draft with our own picks partnered with the BKN picks and you have even better trade chips or higher valued prospects than we do now. Horford may have still signed here as long as we are trending up with prospect

Yeah that must be why durant and Horford both gave Minnesota such a hard look. You know because they have all that blue chip young talent....Oh wait, they didn't? Must be because Minnesota is still a lottery team.....drew agents sign with playoff teams. They don't care about young prospects

[Pacino62]

Jesus guys. At least stop quoting each other. My word. These walls of text.

[ParticleMan]

We had a chance to sign Durant because we have a bunch of role players that he would have around him as "the guy" with Nets picks as extra pieces to build on whatever KD would have brought here in a weaker conference. KD seeing us get smashed in the playoffs two years in a row absolutely did not entice him to come here, that's absurd.

really? then why weren't philly and minny and other tanking teams also being considered if their future was so much brighter? he would have been the guy there too.

what you're saying goes against what just about every media person covering this story has said -- we were a candidate ONLY because we were a 48-win team with lots of good young players and a very bright future.

of course wins were crucial, and the fact that we made the playoffs was crucial. if we were a 33-win team there is no way KD would even sniff at us.

in the end we lost out to a 73-win team. and not by much.

[BigTrade92]

Making the playoffs the past two years is anything but a patient move. Again, I think Wyc has a lot to do with this. I've heard his interviews on the radio, the man is completely fan boy level delusional when it comes to his players

I totally disagree.

We had a chance to sign Durant just because we made the playoffs two years in a row.

You think Durant even considers this team if we tanked? Not a chance.

Going to the playoffs and doing what we've done put this team on the map for players around the league. Stars now take notice of Boston. Heck, we just signed our biggest FA ever in Horford. We don't sign him if we tank.

Because of our playoff runs, people realize what a genius Brad Stevens really is. You think people are saying that about Brett Brown?

We exported our tank to Brooklyn. There's no reason to tank since they're doing that for us. Therefore what we're doing is without a doubt the best course of action we could and can take.

Clearly we disagree.

We had a chance to sign Durant because we have a bunch of role players that he would have around him as "the guy" with Nets picks as extra pieces to build on whatever KD would have brought here in a weaker conference. KD seeing us get smashed in the playoffs two years in a row absolutely did not entice him to come here, that's absurd.

Horford came here because we have a brighter future than Atlanta, and the Atlanta fans blow in comparison to Boston sports fans. Explain to me how a "genius" gets swept in the playoffs, and what actually classifies him as a "genius" at all. Relentlessly giving Evan Turner, David Lee, Phil Pressey, and other dead end weight minutes over our young guys that we're banking on in the long haul?

We have the luxury of the BKN picks, but as seen with the Durant fiasco, do not put all your eggs in a basket that is out of your hand. Double up on the draft with our own picks partnered with the BKN picks and you have even better trade chips or higher valued prospects than we do now. Horford may have still signed here as long as we are trending up with prospect

Come on....now your hating on Stevens? Really? The guy tons of players in this league want to take over the USA team once Coach K steps down? Really?

Come on man, not his fault he started YEAR ONE on a totally stripped down and rebuilt team. I bet if he can into the league last year and replaced a guy like Billy Donovan in OKC you'd be asking why we couldn't sign Stevens then too...

And those BKN picks are a "luxury" because your hated GM made a brilliant trade to get. I bet you hated that trade when it happened too...

How does tanking and getting Jaylen Brown, and say Dragan Bender, help the team grow more so than getting Jaylen Brown, Al Horford, a meeting with and coming second in the KD sweepstakes and recognition around the league as a team with a bright future?

[Stadium5]

You also run the high probability that you'll never land an impact free agent for the sake of jumping a few draft spots.

We run the high probability of never landing an impact free agent anyways. Consider me not enthused about landing a 30 year old who made his career headlining a treadmilling team in the Eastern conference. I'd much prefer landing a 19-20 year old special talent who has 0 NBA miles on his legs and a clean slate to build special legacy in Boston for himself. But I know I know, I'm the impatient one for being ok waiting 4 years for such draft pick to bloom

That's swell until you're really doing that.

That's what it's like now being a Sixers fan.

I don't know about you, but I'll take our current team and predicament over Phillys any day of the week.

Give me every offseason coming second on Top 3 player in the league's list of teams to sign with and sign the second best player on the market every single year, over waiting for Joel Embiid to take off his knee brace...

Yup, being a Sixers fan might hurt a little right now, but they'll be pretty happy in 3-4 years. You mention Embiid, but neglect to mention Simmons, Okafor, and Noel...swell.

And whether youre 2nd or last on that top FA list doesn't make a difference, it still means we didn't get said free agent.

[Stadium5]

I totally disagree.

We had a chance to sign Durant just because we made the playoffs two years in a row.

You think Durant even considers this team if we tanked? Not a chance.

Going to the playoffs and doing what we've done put this team on the map for players around the league. Stars now take notice of Boston. Heck, we just signed our biggest FA ever in Horford. We don't sign him if we tank.

Because of our playoff runs, people realize what a genius Brad Stevens really is. You think people are saying that about Brett Brown?

We exported our tank to Brooklyn. There's no reason to tank since they're doing that for us. Therefore what we're doing is without a doubt the best course of action we could and can take.

Clearly we disagree.

We had a chance to sign Durant because we have a bunch of role players that he would have around him as "the guy" with Nets picks as extra pieces to build on whatever KD would have brought here in a weaker conference. KD seeing us get smashed in the playoffs two years in a row absolutely did not entice him to come here, that's absurd.

Horford came here because we have a brighter future than Atlanta, and the Atlanta fans blow in comparison to Boston sports fans. Explain to me how a "genius" gets swept in the playoffs, and what actually classifies him as a "genius" at all. Relentlessly giving Evan Turner, David Lee, Phil Pressey, and other dead end weight minutes over our young guys that we're banking on in the long haul?

We have the luxury of the BKN picks, but as seen with the Durant fiasco, do not put all your eggs in a basket that is out of your hand. Double up on the draft with our own picks partnered with the BKN picks and you have even better trade chips or higher valued prospects than we do now. Horford may have still signed here as long as we are trending up with prospect

Yeah that must be why durant and Horford both gave Minnesota such a hard look. You know because they have all that blue chip young talent....Oh wait, they didn't? Must be because Minnesota is still a lottery team.....drew agents sign with playoff teams. They don't care about young prospects

Who wants Horford when you have Karl Anthony Towns and Andrew Wiggins?

[ajones9219]

Jesus guys. At least stop quoting each other. My word. These walls of text.

I apologize. I'm going to remove myself from this conversation because I'm getting very close to saying something I know I'm going to regret. I just can't stand the constant pessimism and it's why every other celtics blog is always complaining about the "tankers" on our board. But sorry getting this thing so far off topic

[BigTrade92]

We run the high probability of never landing an impact free agent anyways. Consider me not enthused about landing a 30 year old who made his career headlining a treadmilling team in the Eastern conference. I'd much prefer landing a 19-20 year old special talent who has 0 NBA miles on his legs and a clean slate to build special legacy in Boston for himself. But I know I know, I'm the impatient one for being ok waiting 4 years for such draft pick to bloom

That's swell until you're really doing that.

That's what it's like now being a Sixers fan.

I don't know about you, but I'll take our current team and predicament over Phillys any day of the week.

Give me every offseason coming second on Top 3 player in the league's list of teams to sign with and sign the second best player on the market every single year, over waiting for Joel Embiid to take off his knee brace...

Yup, being a Sixers fan might hurt a little right now, but they'll be pretty happy in 3-4 years. You mention Embiid, but neglect to mention Simmons, Okafor, and Noel...swell.

And whether youre 2nd or last on that top FA list doesn't make a difference, it still means we didn't get said free agent.

You mean the guys who your bud Banners considers "ham and eggers"?

So we should tank...just to get the quoted "ham and eggers" and an unknown in Simmons?

No thanks, I'll take our current predicament.

[BannersOnly]

Ainge has done done ton of moves the last 8 years since ou title.........and yet here we are still lacking a STUD to do the heavy lifting even though he has built a roster full of vets that have a low ceiling and will be needing bigger contracts soon. He's drafted like sh*t and the best homegrown player on the roster right now is Avery fn Bradley LOL. Brown can be a STUD but it will take take a few years. In the meantime we are saddled being the Atlanta Hawks of the past couple years and we might not even be that good. Danny fanboys need to stop being so sensitive.......its the truth.

Yeah, we are just like the Atlanta hawks....if the hawks were more talented and had top lottery picks gifted to it every season.

We are more talented than the Hawks last year? Horford, Milsap, Teague? Debateable. And even if I concede that......it's marginal at best and we still are nowhere close to being a "contender" and we'll most likely end with the same fate as the Hawks which is an ass kicking by Cleveland in the playoffs.

Top lottery picks? Yes, all well and good.......however, by the time those top lottery picks become STUDS(if they do) than all these ham and eggers on great contracts that you Danny guys brag about(IT, Crowder, Bradley) and the 30 year old power forward we just signed(Horford) will be either needing true market value deals that kill our cap or fossils(Horford).

We are pretty much BONED unless we flip the picks for a Cousins or Westbrook and they re-up here or if the Nets picks turn into STUDS but we'll have little else young talent to pair them with because Danny has drafted like a ham and egger for far too long.

[Stadium5]

I totally disagree.

We had a chance to sign Durant just because we made the playoffs two years in a row.

You think Durant even considers this team if we tanked? Not a chance.

Going to the playoffs and doing what we've done put this team on the map for players around the league. Stars now take notice of Boston. Heck, we just signed our biggest FA ever in Horford. We don't sign him if we tank.

Because of our playoff runs, people realize what a genius Brad Stevens really is. You think people are saying that about Brett Brown?

We exported our tank to Brooklyn. There's no reason to tank since they're doing that for us. Therefore what we're doing is without a doubt the best course of action we could and can take.

Clearly we disagree.

We had a chance to sign Durant because we have a bunch of role players that he would have around him as "the guy" with Nets picks as extra pieces to build on whatever KD would have brought here in a weaker conference. KD seeing us get smashed in the playoffs two years in a row absolutely did not entice him to come here, that's absurd.

Horford came here because we have a brighter future than Atlanta, and the Atlanta fans blow in comparison to Boston sports fans. Explain to me how a "genius" gets swept in the playoffs, and what actually classifies him as a "genius" at all. Relentlessly giving Evan Turner, David Lee, Phil Pressey, and other dead end weight minutes over our young guys that we're banking on in the long haul?

We have the luxury of the BKN picks, but as seen with the Durant fiasco, do not put all your eggs in a basket that is out of your hand. Double up on the draft with our own picks partnered with the BKN picks and you have even better trade chips or higher valued prospects than we do now. Horford may have still signed here as long as we are trending up with prospect

Come on....now your hating on Stevens? Really? The guy tons of players in this league want to take over the USA team once Coach K steps down? Really?

Come on man, not his fault he started YEAR ONE on a totally stripped down and rebuilt team. I bet if he can into the league last year and replaced a guy like Billy Donovan in OKC you'd be asking why we couldn't sign Stevens then too...

And those BKN picks are a "luxury" because your hated GM made a brilliant trade to get. I bet you hated that trade when it happened too...

How does tanking and getting Jaylen Brown, and say Dragan Bender, help the team grow more so than getting Jaylen Brown, Al Horford, a meeting with and coming second in the KD sweepstakes and recognition around the league as a team with a bright future?

To Particleman - Minny does have a brighter future than us. This isn't even up for debate really. KAT is worth more than anything we have. Wiggins will be something special too I gather. They have Dunn, who this board was all about getting at the #3 pick as well.

BigTrade92, Im not ready to crown Stevens as a genius. Hes not belichick, hes not pop...hes a good coach no doubt, but I'd honestly use him as a trading chip to push the needle and complete a trade for Cousins or a Butler if need be. It's a league where coaching is overrated

[Stadium5]

That's swell until you're really doing that.

That's what it's like now being a Sixers fan.

I don't know about you, but I'll take our current team and predicament over Phillys any day of the week.

Give me every offseason coming second on Top 3 player in the league's list of teams to sign with and sign the second best player on the market every single year, over waiting for Joel Embiid to take off his knee brace...

Yup, being a Sixers fan might hurt a little right now, but they'll be pretty happy in 3-4 years. You mention Embiid, but neglect to mention Simmons, Okafor, and Noel...swell.

And whether youre 2nd or last on that top FA list doesn't make a difference, it still means we didn't get said free agent.

You mean the guys who your bud Banners considers "ham and eggers"?

So we should tank...just to get the quoted "ham and eggers" and an unknown in Simmons?

No thanks, I'll take our current predicament.

Enjoy your Avery Bradley. I'm sure Philly and the rest of the league would prefer unknown Simmons 10 times out of 10

[CelticFaninLBC]

This reporter proposes AB, Brown, Jerebko and Bkn 2018.

I'd remove Brown and trade Smart instead. Would need a third team to take either Smart or AB and send an asset back to OKC.

https://www.google.com/amp/ftw.usatoday.com/2016/07/russell-westbrook-celtics-boston-thunder-trade/amp?client=ms-android-sprint-us#

[BannersOnly]

Is it even a debate that Minny has a better future right now than us? Towns, Wiggins, Dunn? A coach in the same class as ours at minimum? I mean, is there anyone here that wouldn't trade our roster for theirs? All talent acquired via tanking or being in the lottery. They took a former top 5 lottery pick that was about to walk and flipped him for the #1 pick to take Wiggins. They have 3 guys all around the same age that will grow together and they brought in a proven hard nosed NBA coach that will provide the structure and environment to make sure they continue to get better and practice, play and act the right way. They have a GREAT future. I envy them.

[BigTrade92]

Is it even a debate that Minny has a better future right now than us? Towns, Wiggins, Dunn? A coach in the same class as ours at minimum? I mean, is there anyone here that wouldn't trade our roster for theirs? All talent acquired via tanking or being in the lottery. They took a former top 5 lottery pick that was about to walk and flipped him for the #1 pick to take Wiggins. They have 3 guys all around the same age that will grow together and they brought in a proven hard nosed NBA coach that will provide the structure and environment to make sure they continue to get better and practice, play and act the right way. They have a GREAT future. I envy them.

They do, and they'll some day be as good as the Thunder were at their peak.

But the problem is, they're still very, very young and still play in the West, and still have to over take GS, SA, LAC and Portland.

I'd be VERY surprised to even see them make the playoffs next season over improved teams like the Jazz.

All that talent is great, but it means nothing if you can't even make the playoffs.

[Homerclease]

Is it even a debate that Minny has a better future right now than us? Towns, Wiggins, Dunn? A coach in the same class as ours at minimum? I mean, is there anyone here that wouldn't trade our roster for theirs? All talent acquired via tanking or being in the lottery. They took a former top 5 lottery pick that was about to walk and flipped him for the #1 pick to take Wiggins. They have 3 guys all around the same age that will grow together and they brought in a proven hard nosed NBA coach that will provide the structure and environment to make sure they continue to get better and practice, play and act the right way. They have a GREAT future. I envy them.

Hard to argue this, they bottomed out at the exact right time for the exact right guy and had the exact right coach in Smitch to make that happen. However I'd rather have the Celtics situation over Philidelpha every day of the week.

[Stadium5]

Is it even a debate that Minny has a better future right now than us? Towns, Wiggins, Dunn? A coach in the same class as ours at minimum? I mean, is there anyone here that wouldn't trade our roster for theirs? All talent acquired via tanking or being in the lottery. They took a former top 5 lottery pick that was about to walk and flipped him for the #1 pick to take Wiggins. They have 3 guys all around the same age that will grow together and they brought in a proven hard nosed NBA coach that will provide the structure and environment to make sure they continue to get better and practice, play and act the right way. They have a GREAT future. I envy them.

They do, and they'll some day be as good as the Thunder were at their peak.

But the problem is, they're still very, very young and still play in the West, and still have to over take GS, SA, LAC and Portland.

I'd be VERY surprised to even see them make the playoffs next season over improved teams like the Jazz.

All that talent is great, but it means nothing if you can't even make the playoffs.

Their core is like 20 years old.....

GSW is made up of 24-28 years olds...aka prime. KAT is already a beast. Just wait till KAT and baby Wiggins grow up and are the 26 year olds in a league of older washed up current stars and young rookies coming in. They're going to be something very special, and it should be right around the same time we're in the middle of rebuilding again when our good contracts expire and our mighty mouse loses all his speed

[BigTrade92]

This reporter proposes AB, Brown, Jerebko and Bkn 2018.

I'd remove Brown and trade Smart instead. Would need a third team to take either Smart or AB and send an asset back to OKC.

https://www.google.com/amp/ftw.usatoday.com/2016/07/russell-westbrook-celtics-boston-thunder-trade/amp?client=ms-android-sprint-us#

If we can keep Brown, sign me up.

I didnt mind getting rid of Brown if we brought in a star SF like Durant. But considering Westbrook is a PG, I'd very much like to hold onto the rookie SF and trade away our young backcourt guys like AB, Smart and Rozier.