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[Ed Pinkney]

Washington is the treadmill team they deserve to be. Was sort of smart to clean out the Jordan Crawfords and Jamal Mcgees for vets, but now they're back to the middle with 130 million to a guy who hasn't stayed healthy and put it all together.

Would we even want Wall, if he went on the block? I'm sure Sacramento would jump at him. Dallas, maybe. Tough to say.

I'm not sure that either of Washington's bacourt duo is better than our present corps/

And both of those guys are are overpaid.....While our guys are all bargains considering what they currently make....

I don't think you do anything to disrupt that?

We need a front line big....And when I say that I mean someone who can contribute consistently and not cause any distractions.

That should be the target. I could see us facilitating a trade than brings such a valuable front line player here. We've got the assets to certainly do that without it affecting our core.

Maybe Philly would be interested in obtaining Wall? A deal that sends Noel or even Okafor here would certainly be worth doing...

Get out the trade checkers and lets see what could possibly happen?

I guess the issue is that Thomas, Bradley and Smart are only going to be underpaid for a couple of more seasons and then the front office will need to make a decision on what to do with them. So then the question is if it better to pay one or more of those guys big money, or pay a player like Wall (who is probably superior and still relatively young) big money.

[ZeroTolerance]

Washington is the treadmill team they deserve to be. Was sort of smart to clean out the Jordan Crawfords and Jamal Mcgees for vets, but now they're back to the middle with 130 million to a guy who hasn't stayed healthy and put it all together.

Would we even want Wall, if he went on the block? I'm sure Sacramento would jump at him. Dallas, maybe. Tough to say.

I'm not sure that either of Washington's bacourt duo is better than our present corps/

And both of those guys are are overpaid.....While our guys are all bargains considering what they currently make....

I don't think you do anything to disrupt that?

We need a front line big....And when I say that I mean someone who can contribute consistently and not cause any distractions.

That should be the target. I could see us facilitating a trade than brings such a valuable front line player here. We've got the assets to certainly do that without it affecting our core.

Maybe Philly would be interested in obtaining Wall? A deal that sends Noel or even Okafor here would certainly be worth doing...

Get out the trade checkers and lets see what could possibly happen?

I guess the issue is that Thomas, Bradley and Smart are only going to be underpaid for a couple of more seasons and then the front office will need to make a decision on what to do with them. So then the question is if it better to pay one or more of those guys big money, or pay a player like Wall (who is probably superior and still relatively young) big money.

That is true. A decision will have to be made then. but not right now.

I can see where objectively, you could say that comparing Wall and IT, that Wall is perhaps the better point guard. But when Isaiah goes head to head with Wall, he often has the better overall game. So in my mind I see this as a marginal gain for us over all for much more money to be spent over the next couple of years.

I don't know? And Isaiah knows what we do and how to play with most everyone on the roster with the exception of Al Horford. There's allot to be said for that.

Philly, on the other hand, might indeed be interested in Wall as an immediate cornerstone player. True enough though that their assets rival ours. But they still need to part with a big either way. It could be that if Washington is not interested in Noel, they might opt for some young players with potential and some draft picks? They could also send Washington the expiring contract of Sergio Rodriquez to make up some of Wall's salary.... Who knows what's on their minds?.. Maybe they also look at getting Amir Johnson from us? Who knows? Cap space could be important to them?

[Isaiah4thQ]

I love John Wall. I'd be ecstatic if we landed him.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Analytics say IT is more efficient, I think. Eye test says Wall is an all-star who's never had help.

This wouldn't be Chucky Atkins out, Billups in. Much trickier comparison. Especially in analytics era.

Price is everything- Amir/Smart/IT? Amir/Smart? IT/filler? Amir/BKN '18?

No idea what market for Wall would be.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Wall's a more dynamic distributor, a better defender, he's obviously taller, stronger and more physical. But IT's offensive box plus/minus last year was a 5, Wall's was a 2.2. Curry's was a 12.4, for comparison. Isaiah really has an efficient-Iverson quality, he was the absolute engine of the offense of a 48-win team. Not sure he and Wall fit together, and depending on how you dig into the advanced stats and team context- where I'm a beginner- IT might be better. But Wall is 2 years younger and still has some 'upside', could make the leap to great all-star or even superstar level.

I love IT, but it feels to me a little bit like comparing pre-prime Pierce, shooting 40 percent on lottery teams, to Corey Maggette scoring 20 and getting to the line in the same seasons.

You could probably play IT/Wall as the 1/2 on defense and Wall/IT as the 1/2 on offense.

[ZeroTolerance]

I come up with this trade after about five tries....Philly can't trade either of their point guards till December....so that complicated things a might....

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6717177

I suspect that Washington would want a first rounder or two from Philly in this scenario?

Not sure it would cost us one?....but we are giving them Rozier and the two expireings (Johnson and Jerebco) plus sending Young and change plus whatever else it takes of a lessor nature draft pick-wise to Philly to get Noel, Covington, one of the Morris twins (from Washington), Staukus and Kendall Marshal...

Philly gets the best player (Wall) bragging rights. while giving Washington Landry and draft picks....

I dunno?...... I suppose I tweaked this a bit in our favor with the addition of Morris?.... But it would seem logical that we get something good from them for making a deal happen....and Rozier has the goods to be their point of the future?

Who knows? They would probably want Marshal too?...and I suppose we could make that happen without any of our valued draft picks leaving the fold?

Here's that Kendal Marshal adjustment.....We probably waive all the extra players anyway?
http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6717181

[Andrew McCeltic]

I come up with this trade after about five tries....Philly can't trade either of their point guards till December....so that complicated things a might....

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6717177

I suspect that Washington would want a first rounder or two from Philly in this scenario?

Not sure it would cost us one?....but we are giving them Rozier and the two expireings (Johnson and Jerebco) plus sending Young and change plus whatever else it takes of a lessor nature draft pick-wise to Philly to get Noel, Covington, one of the Morris twins (from Washington), Staukus and Kendall Marshal...

Philly gets the best player (Wall) bragging rights. while giving Washington Landry and draft picks....

I dunno?...... I suppose I tweaked this a bit in our favor with the addition of Morris?.... But it would seem logical that we get something good from them for making a deal happen....and Rozier has the goods to be their point of the future?

Who knows? They would probably want Marshal too?...and I suppose we could make that happen without any of our valued draft picks leaving the fold?

Here's that Kendal Marshal adjustment.....We probably waive all the extra players anyway?
http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6717181

Holy f*ck that's horrible for Washington. They'd want a Brooklyn pick from us and probably an unprotected 1st from Philly, or the LAL pick.

[Froob]

Man the GB is the worst, you have to accept if you post there long enough you will get banned eventually. Was a good six year run before I finally got banned for making a joke about why someone would want to compare the 2010-11 pre Melo Knicks and the 2013-14 Brooklyn Nets...

[jmr07019]

The stuff about Wall and Beal not understanding how to play the right way takes a lot of shine off Wall for me. Considering we IT I'd rather use assets on a player who isn't a pg. Unless the trade is IT and minor assets for Wall how does it help us?

[cl2117]

Man the GB is the worst, you have to accept if you post there long enough you will get banned eventually. Was a good six year run before I finally got banned for making a joke about why someone would want to compare the 2010-11 pre Melo Knicks and the 2013-14 Brooklyn Nets...

There's some pretty absurd stuff on the GB. The current thread questioning whether Ainge has "lost his touch", while claiming Philly has completed their rebuild is insane.

[Froob]

Man the GB is the worst, you have to accept if you post there long enough you will get banned eventually. Was a good six year run before I finally got banned for making a joke about why someone would want to compare the 2010-11 pre Melo Knicks and the 2013-14 Brooklyn Nets...

There's some pretty absurd stuff on the GB. The current thread questioning whether Ainge has "lost his touch", while claiming Philly has completed their rebuild is insane.

You'd think that would be "baiting" sheesh. Shoutout to the mods here, you guys are great.

[ConstableGeneva]

http://dailyknicks.com/2016/08/26/new-york-knicks-jae-crowder/

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In an alternate timeline, Jae Crowder would be playing for the Knicks. Phil Jackson chose the 2nd round pick owed by the Celtics to the Mavs instead.

[Froob]

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In an alternate timeline, Jae Crowder would be playing for the Knicks. Phil Jackson chose the 2nd round pick owed by the Celtics to the Mavs instead.

I assume he meant in talking to Dallas? Wow lol. Could never see Jae on a team like the Knicks.

[ConstableGeneva]

I assume he meant in talking to Dallas? Wow lol. Could never see Jae on a team like the Knicks.

Yeah, could've been a misquote. Big part of what made Jae what he is today is opportunity. If he got buried behind Melo in New York and Fisher gave significant minutes to some shmuck instead of him, then they wouldn't have seen this type of improvement. Another factor would be playing/working environment. How many ex-Celtics that have played under Brad have praised how they did things in Boston? Bass, Thornton (the real one), Jordan Crawford, ET, and Sully to name a few all loved playing for the guy and enjoyed the locker room / camaraderie.

[Froob]

I assume he meant in talking to Dallas? Wow lol. Could never see Jae on a team like the Knicks.

Yeah, could've been a misquote. Big part of what made Jae what he is today is opportunity. If he got buried behind Melo in New York and Fisher gave significant minutes to some shmuck instead of him, then they wouldn't have seen this type of improvement. Another factor would be playing/working environment. How many ex-Celtics that have played under Brad have praised how they did things in Boston? Bass, Thornton (the real one), Jordan Crawford, ET, and Sully to name a few all loved playing for the guy and enjoyed the locker room / camaraderie.

Jae also probably would have killed Fish after he banged his girl.

[robbie84]

I did some digging today and the Blake talks are done. But one source said if things don't start well with the Clippers, it could start up again. Apparently Ballmer isn't patient and he wants to see them make real steps towards contention this year. He's realistic enough to know beating the Warriors might not happens, but he wants them to be #2 in the West at least or he might start forcing changes and bring his own guys in.

Moving Blake means 'blow it up'. It doesn't mean 'make steps towards contention'.

For the short term. But if the short teams leads to a better long term, the sense is that Ballmer will push for it. As I said, he's not a patient guy and he doesn't want to wait around on things. If the Clippers falter at all, there will be changes coming.

Teams don't trade away top 10 players unless something goes incredibly, horribly wrong. Blake Griffin isn't going anywhere. This is pipe dream thinking that Doc will be fired or they'll trade Blake Griffin.

When they are healthy they are a legitimate championship contender and can beat anyone in the NBA in a 7 game series if healthy.

There is no 'for the short term if it makes them better long term' they have two top 10 NBA players when healthy and the best defensive big man in the NBA. This isn't the Kings or Wizards or 2016 Lakers.

[the sea duck]

I assume he meant in talking to Dallas? Wow lol. Could never see Jae on a team like the Knicks.

Yeah, could've been a misquote. Big part of what made Jae what he is today is opportunity. If he got buried behind Melo in New York and Fisher gave significant minutes to some shmuck instead of him, then they wouldn't have seen this type of improvement. Another factor would be playing/working environment. How many ex-Celtics that have played under Brad have praised how they did things in Boston? Bass, Thornton (the real one), Jordan Crawford, ET, and Sully to name a few all loved playing for the guy and enjoyed the locker room / camaraderie.

Haha.. is this how we're referring to them now? The real one and the fake one?

[ballup]

Man the GB is the worst, you have to accept if you post there long enough you will get banned eventually. Was a good six year run before I finally got banned for making a joke about why someone would want to compare the 2010-11 pre Melo Knicks and the 2013-14 Brooklyn Nets...

There's some pretty absurd stuff on the GB. The current thread questioning whether Ainge has "lost his touch", while claiming Philly has completed their rebuild is insane.

The Sixers got their superstar in Ben Simmons. All their problems erased in a blink of an eye. Spectacular unlike the Celtics which is a treadmill team.

/s

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[WeLikeOurGuys]

nothing new to report on the noel front but smart was at the club doing the pedal with a smoke show last night

[BlackThatch]

I love John Wall. I'd be ecstatic if we landed him.

I hate NBA players' shoes and I never liked Jordans (although I always liked deeper sneaks). These are the only ones I ever bought. I do like him as a player though!