The (Quintessential) Trade Thread, 2017 (Part 5.0)

[Valid]

I mean, why would the Knicks trade O'Quinn for just a first?

This kid is on a cheap contract, very young, can play, fills a HUGE need....the Knicks are stupid for trading him to be honest. He should be linked with Prozingas.

To draft a player like that with a mid first is a home run. Now to get one without the risk of drafting one??? Of course he's worth more than that.

Now id hate to lose Crowder...but O Quinn could be a starting center while Crowder is a 3 and D guy...it's not that crazy when you take the green goggles off. In fact, Smart and Brown could still be special...we know what Crowder is.

Personally I'd do Rozier and toss in the MN 2nd pick. Losing Crowder would wreck chemistry/intangibles...but it does carve out a crystal clear path to sign Hayward this offseason.

It's actually ridiculously crazy, and I absolutely love O'Quinn.

It's sad how underrated Crowder is around these parts. Dude is having one of the most efficient seasons in the league and hardly anyone around here gives a damn.

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I mean, why would the Knicks trade O'Quinn for just a first?

This kid is on a cheap contract, very young, can play, fills a HUGE need....the Knicks are stupid for trading him to be honest. He should be linked with Prozingas.

To draft a player like that with a mid first is a home run. Now to get one without the risk of drafting one??? Of course he's worth more than that.

Now id hate to lose Crowder...but O Quinn could be a starting center while Crowder is a 3 and D guy...it's not that crazy when you take the green goggles off. In fact, Smart and Brown could still be special...we know what Crowder is.

Personally I'd do Rozier and toss in the MN 2nd pick. Losing Crowder would wreck chemistry/intangibles...but it does carve out a crystal clear path to sign Hayward this offseason.

It's actually ridiculously crazy, and I absolutely love O'Quinn.

It's sad how underrated Crowder is around these parts. Dude is having one of the most efficient seasons in the league and hardly anyone around here gives a damn.

Further to the point I think you trade Bradley and sign Hayward.. you keep Crowder because of his contract.

[Fidel Sarcasmo]

Celtics
In: kevin Love, KOQ
Out: Bradley, Rozier, memphis pick, boston 2018 pick, 2nd rounder, filler.

Knicks
In: memphis pick, boston 2018, 2nd rounder, filler.
Out: Melo, KOQ

Cavs
In: Bradley, rozier, Melo
Out: Love, filler

Celtics get a skilled big that rebounds and can shoot the three. Works great ib the system and is a legit allstar. We also get another big with potential on the glass and defensively. This frees up our backcourt as well for our players of the future.

Knicks get to dump melo and get decent value. Can now easily tank for picks and get multiple firsts to help them rebuild properlu.

Cavs get another guy in melo that can get his own. Takes tons of pressure off lebron and great in playoffs. They also get one of the best 3 and d players in the entire league, as well as add a quality backup or even starting pg in rozier. They get much deeper and Love is a huge injury liability.

Feedback? Try not to be to harsh, firsr trade I have ever put together and I dont really understand the cap so well. More wondering if the value is there and if you think the teams in question pull the trigger.

Sorry for any typos,
Thanks.

Without getting into the details, the general framework of Bradley/Melo to the Cavs, Love to the Cs, assets to the Knicks makes sense. Probably need one moderate asset to go from Cleveland to NY in addition to the assets from the Cs.

Kevin Loves knees are a red flag right now. No team would make that trade at the deadline or this off season at this point. I wouldn't trust it. Also, AB is a two way player and Kevin Love isn't plus Love is I believe 3 years older than a 25 year old AB. My issue is strictly giving away a two dimensional player for a one dimensional star. If we could trade a 2D player for a 2D player, I'd be intrigued. Other issue I have here is The Cavs, load the hell up on 2 guys who bring 40ppg cumulatively to the table. The knicks do this deal strait up for Kevin Love for Carmelo Anthony. If they could have they already would have. N they can't. Now they're going to get a trade they want but in reality can't have plus they get AB? To me, that's insane x 2. Knicks have no more leverage. They're shot with Carmelo Anthony. No one wants him and if they do, they can't every get what they deem as fair value cause he's 32 going on 40 and he's got a trade kicker. His best years are behind him completely. He's already a highly paid premadonna, whose no longer worth the risk. Knicks are looking for a get outta jail free card and your trade scenario not only does that, but that trade gifts Cleveland who are in our own conference, even more space between us and them and it gifts, the Knicks, who are in our own conference a clean slate to right their wrongs. If anything, i wouldn't do any trade with AB in our own conference and if I wouldn't I wouldn't do a thing to help the Cavs, create more space between us and them, when we are literally trying to overtake them by next year on a permanent basis. This year is not likely but there's an outside chance.

[Valid]

I mean, why would the Knicks trade O'Quinn for just a first?

This kid is on a cheap contract, very young, can play, fills a HUGE need....the Knicks are stupid for trading him to be honest. He should be linked with Prozingas.

To draft a player like that with a mid first is a home run. Now to get one without the risk of drafting one??? Of course he's worth more than that.

Now id hate to lose Crowder...but O Quinn could be a starting center while Crowder is a 3 and D guy...it's not that crazy when you take the green goggles off. In fact, Smart and Brown could still be special...we know what Crowder is.

Personally I'd do Rozier and toss in the MN 2nd pick. Losing Crowder would wreck chemistry/intangibles...but it does carve out a crystal clear path to sign Hayward this offseason.

It's actually ridiculously crazy, and I absolutely love O'Quinn.

It's sad how underrated Crowder is around these parts. Dude is having one of the most efficient seasons in the league and hardly anyone around here gives a damn.

Further to the point I think you trade Bradley and sign Hayward.. you keep Crowder because of his contract.

Yep. And I don't know where people get this idea that if we sign Hayward it means Crowder is gone. They can play next to each other. They are two entirely different players.

[London2Boston]

I mean, why would the Knicks trade O'Quinn for just a first?

This kid is on a cheap contract, very young, can play, fills a HUGE need....the Knicks are stupid for trading him to be honest. He should be linked with Prozingas.

To draft a player like that with a mid first is a home run. Now to get one without the risk of drafting one??? Of course he's worth more than that.

Now id hate to lose Crowder...but O Quinn could be a starting center while Crowder is a 3 and D guy...it's not that crazy when you take the green goggles off. In fact, Smart and Brown could still be special...we know what Crowder is.

Personally I'd do Rozier and toss in the MN 2nd pick. Losing Crowder would wreck chemistry/intangibles...but it does carve out a crystal clear path to sign Hayward this offseason.

It's actually ridiculously crazy, and I absolutely love O'Quinn.

It's sad how underrated Crowder is around these parts. Dude is having one of the most efficient seasons in the league and hardly anyone around here gives a damn.

It's absolutely ridiculous. Wouldn't even do it straight up, never mind with a pick from us too. Tbf, most of the guys on that board laughed at the proposal anyway.

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It's actually ridiculously crazy, and I absolutely love O'Quinn.

It's sad how underrated Crowder is around these parts. Dude is having one of the most efficient seasons in the league and hardly anyone around here gives a damn.

Further to the point I think you trade Bradley and sign Hayward.. you keep Crowder because of his contract.

Yep. And I don't know where people get this idea that if we sign Hayward it means Crowder is gone. They can play next to each other. They are two entirely different players.

Yep, also you have to choose in the end 2 of the 3 IT, Smart or Bradley... we can't tie up max IT and near max Bradley. It just makes too much sense to to trade Bradley pay IT and pay Smart 15m a year or whatever.

Hell you could even have Crowder come off the bench.
IT/Fultz
Smart/Brown
Hayward/Crowder
Horford/Nader/Yabs
Zizic/whoever

[Trippinskarlo]

Celtics
In: kevin Love, KOQ
Out: Bradley, Rozier, memphis pick, boston 2018 pick, 2nd rounder, filler.

Knicks
In: memphis pick, boston 2018, 2nd rounder, filler.
Out: Melo, KOQ

Cavs
In: Bradley, rozier, Melo
Out: Love, filler

Celtics get a skilled big that rebounds and can shoot the three. Works great ib the system and is a legit allstar. We also get another big with potential on the glass and defensively. This frees up our backcourt as well for our players of the future.

Knicks get to dump melo and get decent value. Can now easily tank for picks and get multiple firsts to help them rebuild properlu.

Cavs get another guy in melo that can get his own. Takes tons of pressure off lebron and great in playoffs. They also get one of the best 3 and d players in the entire league, as well as add a quality backup or even starting pg in rozier. They get much deeper and Love is a huge injury liability.

Feedback? Try not to be to harsh, firsr trade I have ever put together and I dont really understand the cap so well. More wondering if the value is there and if you think the teams in question pull the trigger.

Sorry for any typos,
Thanks.

Without getting into the details, the general framework of Bradley/Melo to the Cavs, Love to the Cs, assets to the Knicks makes sense. Probably need one moderate asset to go from Cleveland to NY in addition to the assets from the Cs.

Kevin Loves knees are a red flag right now. No team would make that trade at the deadline or this off season at this point. I wouldn't trust it. Also, AB is a two way player and Kevin Love isn't plus Love is I believe 3 years older than a 25 year old AB. My issue is strictly giving away a two dimensional player for a one dimensional star. If we could trade a 2D player for a 2D player, I'd be intrigued. Other issue I have here is The Cavs, load the hell up on 2 guys who bring 40ppg cumulatively to the table. The knicks do this deal strait up for Kevin Love for Carmelo Anthony. If they could have they already would have. N they can't. Now they're going to get a trade they want but in reality can't have plus they get AB? To me, that's insane x 2. Knicks have no more leverage. They're shot with Carmelo Anthony. No one wants him and if they do, they can't every get what they deem as fair value cause he's 32 going on 40 and he's got a trade kicker. His best years are behind him completely. He's already a highly paid Madonna, whose no longer worth the risk. Knicks are looking for a get outta jail free card and your trade scenario not only does that, but that trade gifts Cleveland who are in our own conference, even more space between us and them and it gifts, the Knicks, who are in our own conference a clean slate to right their wrongs. If anything, i wouldn't do any trade with AB in our own conference and if I wouldn't I wouldn't do a thing to help the Cavs, create more space between us and them, when we are literally trying to overtake them by next year on a permanent basis. This year is not likely but there's an outside chance.

Those are fair points but I think if you can get a frontcourt allstar that fits the system and addresses a need (rebounding) for bradley and none bk picks, you do that. We cant retain bradley, IT, and smart so NOW is the time to move one. AB is my favorite celtic but unless you want to lock up 60 mil in the backcourt, we need to move him. We have been just as good, perhaps better, with AB out. The only thing we can agree on is loves health can be troubling, but on the flip side, AB has had health issues his entire career. This is a way to consolidate some assets and trade 4 quarters for a dollar, unless you are just really down on love who is having his best year on a championship caliber team. Not worried about making cavs stronger because melo is on the decline.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Anyway interesting Ainge is implying he'd take on money in a trade if the price isn't too high. He's using our max cap space - which is genuinely valuable - as trade leverage. Dude is smart.

I haven't seen this. Did this just come out in the last few hours or so?

It was, uh.. NESN, I think, but I can double-check, writing up something he said on the radio.

[Andrew McCeltic]

I remember we had max cap space half a decade ago and used it to re-sign Jeff Green and Brandon Bass. So it's useful even if it's anti-climactic. Like, if we draft Tatum or Jackson, renegotiate and extend IT and Bradley, re-sign Olynyk, extend Smart on an early under market deal, and stay around the cap line, under the luxury tax line, that's a safe long-term play, too.

[darrendaye]

Yep. And I don't know where people get this idea that if we sign Hayward it means Crowder is gone. They can play next to each other. They are two entirely different players.

Including Crowder himself.

[Curmudgeon]

Terry Rozier for Willy Hernangomez. Rozier won't get many minutes when AB returns, and in any event the Celtics have Demetrius Jackson waiting in the wings. Meanwhile, with both Rose and Jennings as UFAs in July, the Knicks have to be looking to shore up the pg position. Hernangomez is younger than O"Quinn and a better shooter. Willy is also averaging 13.6 rebounds per 36 minutes.

[chrisab123]

Terry Rozier for Willy Hernangomez. Rozier won't get many minutes when AB returns, and in any event the Celtics have Demetrius Jackson waiting in the wings. Meanwhile, with both Rose and Jennings as UFAs in July, the Knicks have to be looking to shore up the pg position. Hernangomez is younger than O"Quinn and a better shooter. Willy is also averaging 13.6 rebounds per 36 minutes.

I'm on board with any deal that trades untouchable Rozier for a competent big.

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Terry Rozier for Willy Hernangomez. Rozier won't get many minutes when AB returns, and in any event the Celtics have Demetrius Jackson waiting in the wings. Meanwhile, with both Rose and Jennings as UFAs in July, the Knicks have to be looking to shore up the pg position. Hernangomez is younger than O"Quinn and a better shooter. Willy is also averaging 13.6 rebounds per 36 minutes.

Knicks say he's untouchable and that's fair enough

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[Curmudgeon]

Terry Rozier for Willy Hernangomez. Rozier won't get many minutes when AB returns, and in any event the Celtics have Demetrius Jackson waiting in the wings. Meanwhile, with both Rose and Jennings as UFAs in July, the Knicks have to be looking to shore up the pg position. Hernangomez is younger than O"Quinn and a better shooter. Willy is also averaging 13.6 rebounds per 36 minutes.

Knicks say he's untouchable and that's fair enough

LOL, one untouchable for another.

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[Tiny ball]

I mean, why would the Knicks trade O'Quinn for just a first?

This kid is on a cheap contract, very young, can play, fills a HUGE need....the Knicks are stupid for trading him to be honest. He should be linked with Prozingas.

To draft a player like that with a mid first is a home run. Now to get one without the risk of drafting one??? Of course he's worth more than that.

Now id hate to lose Crowder...but O Quinn could be a starting center while Crowder is a 3 and D guy...it's not that crazy when you take the green goggles off. In fact, Smart and Brown could still be special...we know what Crowder is.

Personally I'd do Rozier and toss in the MN 2nd pick. Losing Crowder would wreck chemistry/intangibles...but it does carve out a crystal clear path to sign Hayward this offseason.

It's actually ridiculously crazy, and I absolutely love O'Quinn.

It's sad how underrated Crowder is around these parts. Dude is having one of the most efficient seasons in the league and hardly anyone around here gives a damn.

He takes whole games off way to often. Refuses to drive to the basket as he always falls down and it hurts too much..
Really not impressed with him as a starting wing plus his defense is no where near as good as last year.

[Bill Lumbergh]

Terry Rozier for Willy Hernangomez. Rozier won't get many minutes when AB returns, and in any event the Celtics have Demetrius Jackson waiting in the wings. Meanwhile, with both Rose and Jennings as UFAs in July, the Knicks have to be looking to shore up the pg position. Hernangomez is younger than O"Quinn and a better shooter. Willy is also averaging 13.6 rebounds per 36 minutes.

No chance the Knicks would do that. Hernangomez has shown way more promise than Rozier.

[Marvel]

Terry Rozier for Willy Hernangomez. Rozier won't get many minutes when AB returns, and in any event the Celtics have Demetrius Jackson waiting in the wings. Meanwhile, with both Rose and Jennings as UFAs in July, the Knicks have to be looking to shore up the pg position. Hernangomez is younger than O"Quinn and a better shooter. Willy is also averaging 13.6 rebounds per 36 minutes.

No chance the Knicks would do that. Hernangomez has shown way more promise than Rozier.

Yeah, Willy and Porzingis is their future frontcourt. He's legit and is just scratching the surface of his potential.

[Curmudgeon]

Terry Rozier for Willy Hernangomez. Rozier won't get many minutes when AB returns, and in any event the Celtics have Demetrius Jackson waiting in the wings. Meanwhile, with both Rose and Jennings as UFAs in July, the Knicks have to be looking to shore up the pg position. Hernangomez is younger than O"Quinn and a better shooter. Willy is also averaging 13.6 rebounds per 36 minutes.

No chance the Knicks would do that. Hernangomez has shown way more promise than Rozier.

Yeah, Willy and Porzingis is their future frontcourt. He's legit and is just scratching the surface of his potential.

Yeah, and Jusuf Nurkic was the Nuggets' future too. Just scratching his potential.