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BarFight wrote:In light of this trade and the fact that I accidentally stole an established posters username, could I please request a name change to Degenerate Danny?
Mods?
Fidel Sarcasmo wrote:return2glory wrote:Spoiler:
Yes this is the plan. Ainge and Wyc have said this recently.
Think about it for a second. We were one of only 3 teams still standing in the playoffs. We had one all star. The Cavs had 3, Warriors had 4.
Hayward has been rumored to come to Boston for months. So has Butler. If Ainge gets those two, that's now a team of 3 all-stars plus Horford. The plan is to keep getting better than closer to the Warriors. Hopefully when we add those players, we are still able to keep Jaylen and the Nets 2018 and watch Jaylen, Zizic and Yabs develop and help our 3 all-stars and Horford.
So I'm still confused because i'm not diving in on that type of math for one. 2, I dont understand the cap either. But is he saying that we can afford a butler level contract (17.5mil) or a PG13 level contract (19.5mil) plus 1 qty 30mil max contract like Hawyard or Griffin? Or is he saying that we can acquire 2 qty 30mil contracts this offseason. One via sign and trade and the other via free agency?
Basically are we going to look like Hayward/Griffin best case scenario next season or a comobo of Butler/Hayward or PG13/Hayward?
Wes-J wrote:Spoiler:
Really don't care for this JJ posting. Grow up dude.
greenroom31 wrote:
2 points -- 1, why not focus your time and effort on guys available where you have other picks? And 2, why would the agents for these players agree to send their guy for a workout if they know the Celtics aren't taking their guys there. I mean, no way does Markannen go at 3 regardless of how optimistic his agent is. So he's going to send his guy out there to do a workout, medicals etc. just as a favor to Ainge? Hard to believe when you consider how few players even go to the freaking combine anymore.
Froob wrote:Think it'll be
Fultz (duh)
Jackson
Tatum
Ball
robbie84 wrote:Fencer reregistered wrote:mwhis21 wrote:
okay, dynamite drop in.
If you really mean that you should be willing to bet, say, your $5000 against my $10 that Sacramento will be the worst team in the league for each of the next three years. Are you?
They'll be pretty awful during this rebuild. Good shot at being bottom 3 for next 3 years and perhaps worst team ala 76ers for a few recent years.
Who's challenging them for the worst team next season?
DK-All Day wrote:return2glory wrote:
Yes this is the plan. Ainge and Wyc have said this recently.
Think about it for a second. We were one of only 3 teams still standing in the playoffs. We had one all star. The Cavs had 3, Warriors had 4.
Hayward has been rumored to come to Boston for months. So has Butler. If Ainge gets those two, that's now a team of 3 all-stars plus Horford. The plan is to keep getting better than closer to the Warriors. Hopefully when we add those players, we are still able to keep Jaylen and the Nets 2018 and watch Jaylen, Zizic and Yabs develop and help our 3 all-stars and Horford.
We need a top 5 player like Durant, LeBron , or Curry to compete with those guys. They are all time greats. We don't have one.
People are in for a rude awakening
SmartWentCrazy wrote:winsomme2 wrote:Jaqua92 wrote:
But that's the thing. Logic ssys to trust the pro scouts over the evaluation of me or you. Danny knows ball better thwn of us. Thats a fact.
But the pro scouts are saying Fultz far and above the best prospect in this draft including the Sixers who just traded for him.
Danny right now is the outlier
Danny was the outlier on Oden vs Durant, too.
He may be wrong, he may be right. But I'd rather have the guy that has the balls to trust his gut than the weenie who only drafts consensus BPA.
galipeautim wrote:greenroom31 wrote:greenroom31 wrote:I believe the Celtics are looking at getting back at pick in the mid-to-late lottery as part of whatever bigger move they might be making. That means Sacramento, Orlando, Minnesota, NYK, Dallas, Charlotte, and Detroit are all teams we might look to trade with to get one of their veteran stars (or the closest thing they have to one) while doing a pick swap and throwing in salaries to make the deal work. Or you could imagine a 3 way deal where one of the young talented pieces from a team like Minnesota or Orlando (for example) goes to Chicago or Indiana, in exchange for the #3 pick while we take back the MIN/ORL pick and get Butler... in addition to sending out other players, picks etc. as appropriate.
Keeping with this vein, targets could include:
Detroit: Drummond
Orlando: Gordon (or Gordon goes to 3rd team in exchange for George/Butler and we get #6 while sending out other players/assets)
Charlotte: MKG (see Gordon comments above, although this seems less plausible)
Minnesota: Wiggins or LaVine? Or if Chicago still holds a flame for Dunn maybe Dunn goes to Chicago as part of a Butler deal?
NYK: Wishful thinking: Porzingis, more likely, **** Carmelo
Sacramento: Skal or WCS?
Dallas: ummm.... Harrison Barnes? (<ducks>)
We are not doing a deal for any of those targets. If DA is accumulating more high value draft pick it means he is looking for a really big fish (maybe AD). He already had the bait to get these other guys.
Celtics_Champs wrote:Froob wrote:Think it'll be
Fultz (duh)
Jackson
Tatum
Ball
I dont see any way the Lakers and Celtics pass on Ball. He's too good of a talent to let his father ruin it. I think he'd be number one if it weren't for his father letting him visit the celtics and for Ainge, if you trade your number one for a 3 and a future lottery pick than you certainly don't pass up on the number one guy again.
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BigTrade92 wrote:SmartWentCrazy wrote:winsomme2 wrote:
But the pro scouts are saying Fultz far and above the best prospect in this draft including the Sixers who just traded for him.
Danny right now is the outlier
Danny was the outlier on Oden vs Durant, too.
He may be wrong, he may be right. But I'd rather have the guy that has the balls to trust his gut than the weenie who only drafts consensus BPA.
Danny always wanted to trade this years Brooklyn pick, plus several others for Justice Winslow.
Danny isn't god. He makes questionable moves. And this is easily his most questionable move yet and on paper looks pretty damn bad.
He just helped build a stacked team in Philly and STILL let them off the hook by keeping one of the Sacramento or Lakers picks. So they'll soon enough be ADDING to that core....
Tommy Heinsohn wrote:The game is not over until they look you in the face and start crying.
Froob wrote:BigTrade92 wrote:SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Danny was the outlier on Oden vs Durant, too.
He may be wrong, he may be right. But I'd rather have the guy that has the balls to trust his gut than the weenie who only drafts consensus BPA.
Danny always wanted to trade this years Brooklyn pick, plus several others for Justice Winslow.
Danny isn't god. He makes questionable moves. And this is easily his most questionable move yet and on paper looks pretty damn bad.
He just helped build a stacked team in Philly and STILL let them off the hook by keeping one of the Sacramento or Lakers picks. So they'll soon enough be ADDING to that core....
Do we actually know there was a Brooklyn pick in that Winslow offer?
Froob wrote:BigTrade92 wrote:SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Danny was the outlier on Oden vs Durant, too.
He may be wrong, he may be right. But I'd rather have the guy that has the balls to trust his gut than the weenie who only drafts consensus BPA.
Danny always wanted to trade this years Brooklyn pick, plus several others for Justice Winslow.
Danny isn't god. He makes questionable moves. And this is easily his most questionable move yet and on paper looks pretty damn bad.
He just helped build a stacked team in Philly and STILL let them off the hook by keeping one of the Sacramento or Lakers picks. So they'll soon enough be ADDING to that core....
Do we actually know there was a Brooklyn pick in that Winslow offer?
BigTrade92 wrote:SmartWentCrazy wrote:winsomme2 wrote:
But the pro scouts are saying Fultz far and above the best prospect in this draft including the Sixers who just traded for him.
Danny right now is the outlier
Danny was the outlier on Oden vs Durant, too.
He may be wrong, he may be right. But I'd rather have the guy that has the balls to trust his gut than the weenie who only drafts consensus BPA.
Danny always wanted to trade this years Brooklyn pick, plus several others for Justice Winslow.
Danny isn't god. He makes questionable moves. This is easily his most questionable move yet and on paper looks horrible.
He just build a stacked team in Philly and STILL let them off the hook by keeping one of the Sacramento or Lakers picks. So they'll soon enough be ADDING to that core. Horrible.
greenroom31 wrote:One item that seems to have gotten lost a bit in the fray of trading the #1 pick is this:
Why the **** are we working out DSJ and Markannen? Those are guys expected to go in the 7-10 range on most mock sites. I don't buy that we're just doing thorough due diligence for the #3 pick and that someone like Markannen would even be in consideration there.
Combine that data point with the Celtics decision to agree to this deal on Monday rather than letting it ride up until the draft in hopes of getting a better offer from the 76ers, and give me 1 second so I can get out my jump to conclusions mat:
I believe the Celtics are looking at getting back at pick in the mid-to-late lottery as part of whatever bigger move they might be making. That means Sacramento, Orlando, Minnesota, NYK, Dallas, Charlotte, and Detroit are all teams we might look to trade with to get one of their veteran stars (or the closest thing they have to one) while doing a pick swap and throwing in salaries to make the deal work. Or you could imagine a 3 way deal where one of the young talented pieces from a team like Minnesota or Orlando (for example) goes to Chicago or Indiana, in exchange for the #3 pick while we take back the MIN/ORL pick and get Butler... in addition to sending out other players, picks etc. as appropriate.
Anyway, I know I'm connecting some loosely grouped dots here, but I think this makes sense.
Froob wrote:BigTrade92 wrote:SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Danny was the outlier on Oden vs Durant, too.
He may be wrong, he may be right. But I'd rather have the guy that has the balls to trust his gut than the weenie who only drafts consensus BPA.
Danny always wanted to trade this years Brooklyn pick, plus several others for Justice Winslow.
Danny isn't god. He makes questionable moves. And this is easily his most questionable move yet and on paper looks pretty damn bad.
He just helped build a stacked team in Philly and STILL let them off the hook by keeping one of the Sacramento or Lakers picks. So they'll soon enough be ADDING to that core....
Do we actually know there was a Brooklyn pick in that Winslow offer?
Fencer reregistered wrote:galipeautim wrote:greenroom31 wrote:
Keeping with this vein, targets could include:
Detroit: Drummond
Orlando: Gordon (or Gordon goes to 3rd team in exchange for George/Butler and we get #6 while sending out other players/assets)
Charlotte: MKG (see Gordon comments above, although this seems less plausible)
Minnesota: Wiggins or LaVine? Or if Chicago still holds a flame for Dunn maybe Dunn goes to Chicago as part of a Butler deal?
NYK: Wishful thinking: Porzingis, more likely, **** Carmelo
Sacramento: Skal or WCS?
Dallas: ummm.... Harrison Barnes? (<ducks>)
We are not doing a deal for any of those targets. If DA is accumulating more high value draft pick it means he is looking for a really big fish (maybe AD). He already had the bait to get these other guys.
The conjecture is that he winds up getting one of those guys more cheaply by trading down first.
SparringPartner wrote:greenroom31 wrote:One item that seems to have gotten lost a bit in the fray of trading the #1 pick is this:
Why the **** are we working out DSJ and Markannen? Those are guys expected to go in the 7-10 range on most mock sites. I don't buy that we're just doing thorough due diligence for the #3 pick and that someone like Markannen would even be in consideration there.
Combine that data point with the Celtics decision to agree to this deal on Monday rather than letting it ride up until the draft in hopes of getting a better offer from the 76ers, and give me 1 second so I can get out my jump to conclusions mat:
I believe the Celtics are looking at getting back at pick in the mid-to-late lottery as part of whatever bigger move they might be making. That means Sacramento, Orlando, Minnesota, NYK, Dallas, Charlotte, and Detroit are all teams we might look to trade with to get one of their veteran stars (or the closest thing they have to one) while doing a pick swap and throwing in salaries to make the deal work. Or you could imagine a 3 way deal where one of the young talented pieces from a team like Minnesota or Orlando (for example) goes to Chicago or Indiana, in exchange for the #3 pick while we take back the MIN/ORL pick and get Butler... in addition to sending out other players, picks etc. as appropriate.
Anyway, I know I'm connecting some loosely grouped dots here, but I think this makes sense.
Can you say...DSJ is smokescreen...
Not say I know for how, but I feel like Danny is trolling Phil. Isn't NY high on DSJ?
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Tommy Heinsohn wrote:The game is not over until they look you in the face and start crying.
