Marcus Smart free agency Take 2. "He works hard for the money" Agrees to 4 year 52$ million deal page 32

[truth18]

Seems like a complete overpay for a defensive specialist that is a historically bad offensive player, misses about 15 games a year and has maturity issues but hey it isn't my money.

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[tombattor]

It is.

You don't give that type of money to a defensive specialist who's as consistent at bricking shots as he is at playing good defense. Thought you guys would've learned from Bradley & Crowder falling off a cliff after they left not to overrate these "glue guy" role players that play here.

Celtics will contend for a title with or without Smart, zero incentive to pay him more than he's worth.

The Celtics offense was better with Smart on the floor last year. And much better defensively, they would not contend for a title without him considering the Warriors have Steph and Klay.

Even 4/50 now is the equivalent of about 10 million a year in two years, 4/46-50 is great deal if it happens.

Difference was marginal, and the two years before that the offense was worse.

The Celtics absolutely would contend for a title without Smart. Unless you think one of Kyrie or Jaylen will be in a timeshare with Smart, I think you're absolutely overestimating his value in a matchup against the Warriors.

If Smart wasn't such a chucker, I'd have no problem with him. But 4 years in, he's yet to shown any sign that he isn't a complete dumbass on that end. Some of you are willing to overlook that, I'm not. Simple. I'm not a fan of his and probably won't ever be, so it's probably best to just to agree to disagree

No one is overlooking his crappy shooting. But you are overlooking his defensive impact. You wouldn't want to put one of the best perimeter defenders on someone like Steph Curry? And to contend for a title, you have to stop Steph. That entire team, including KD, plays off of all the defensive attention being paid to Curry. And to me, Smart is absolutely the best candidate to try and disrupt that.

[tombattor]

Difference was marginal, and the two years before that the offense was worse.

The Celtics absolutely would contend for a title without Smart. Unless you think one of Kyrie or Jaylen will be in a timeshare with Smart, I think you're absolutely overestimating his value in a matchup against the Warriors.

Yeah. Who needs perimeter defense against one of the best backcourts we have ever seen?

So Kyrie, Jaylen, Hayward, Tatum, which one will be getting benched in the 4th quarter of the Finals so Smart can shine?

Whoever is not getting it done. If all of them are beasting, then we have nothing to worry about. I'm fine with winning a title where we don't need Smart. Heck, if the Warriors are willing to just shoot at their own basket, we can let them play 5-on-0 for all I care.

[smith2373]

The Celtics offense was better with Smart on the floor last year. And much better defensively, they would not contend for a title without him considering the Warriors have Steph and Klay.

Even 4/50 now is the equivalent of about 10 million a year in two years, 4/46-50 is great deal if it happens.

Difference was marginal, and the two years before that the offense was worse.

The Celtics absolutely would contend for a title without Smart. Unless you think one of Kyrie or Jaylen will be in a timeshare with Smart, I think you're absolutely overestimating his value in a matchup against the Warriors.

If Smart wasn't such a chucker, I'd have no problem with him. But 4 years in, he's yet to shown any sign that he isn't a complete dumbass on that end. Some of you are willing to overlook that, I'm not. Simple. I'm not a fan of his and probably won't ever be, so it's probably best to just to agree to disagree

No one is overlooking his crappy shooting. But you are overlooking his defensive impact. You wouldn't want to put one of the best perimeter defenders on someone like Steph Curry? And to contend for a title, you have to stop Steph. That entire team, including KD, plays off of all the defensive attention being paid to Curry. And to me, Smart is absolutely the best candidate to try and disrupt that.

To me his defensive impact is cancelled out by his horrible output on the other end of the floor. And again, if we run our best 5 against the Warriors best 5, he is not on the court.

I'm not saying he has no place on the team or has no value, I just don't think he's worth that much money.

[3D Chess]

Yeah. Who needs perimeter defense against one of the best backcourts we have ever seen?

So Kyrie, Jaylen, Hayward, Tatum, which one will be getting benched in the 4th quarter of the Finals so Smart can shine?

Whoever is not getting it done. If all of them are beasting, then we have nothing to worry about. I'm fine with winning a title where we don't need Smart. Heck, if the Warriors are willing to just shoot at their own basket, we can let them play 5-on-0 for all I care.

No way man, this is like 2k where all you gotta do is put the 5 guys with the best overall rating on the floor and you win.

[tombattor]

So Kyrie, Jaylen, Hayward, Tatum, which one will be getting benched in the 4th quarter of the Finals so Smart can shine?

Whoever is not getting it done. If all of them are beasting, then we have nothing to worry about. I'm fine with winning a title where we don't need Smart. Heck, if the Warriors are willing to just shoot at their own basket, we can let them play 5-on-0 for all I care.

No way man, this is like 2k where all you gotta do is put the 5 guys with the best overall rating on the floor and you win.

Just make sure you don't have the auto-save selected, so you can restart the game if you are losing.

[smith2373]

So Kyrie, Jaylen, Hayward, Tatum, which one will be getting benched in the 4th quarter of the Finals so Smart can shine?

Whoever is not getting it done. If all of them are beasting, then we have nothing to worry about. I'm fine with winning a title where we don't need Smart. Heck, if the Warriors are willing to just shoot at their own basket, we can let them play 5-on-0 for all I care.

No way man, this is like 2k where all you gotta do is put the 5 guys with the best overall rating on the floor and you win.

Name one playoff team where they're paying someone who isn't a top 5 player on the team $12 mil a year or more and that contract isn't considered a bad one

[tombattor]

Whoever is not getting it done. If all of them are beasting, then we have nothing to worry about. I'm fine with winning a title where we don't need Smart. Heck, if the Warriors are willing to just shoot at their own basket, we can let them play 5-on-0 for all I care.

No way man, this is like 2k where all you gotta do is put the 5 guys with the best overall rating on the floor and you win.

Name one playoff team where they're paying someone who isn't a top 5 player on the team $12 mil a year or more and that contract isn't considered a bad one

Without going through all the teams... Iguodala?

[celticfan42487]

Overpaying role players is typically a bad idea.

However we lost Tony Allen for nothing and that probably cost us a championship.

Finally, SOMETHING is happening.

Guess this means we're trading Rozier soon?

If we're paying Smart that much money we must want him as our secondary ball handler right? And we're getting that SAC pick as well as we'll have ring chasers coming to our team next off season.

Doubt we want to pay both Smart and Rozier 12+ million to come off the bench with 2/3 of our starting lineup on maxes for the foreseeable future (either it'll be Irving and Hayward, or rotating to Brown and Tatum).

Also we've seen NBA players recently break out post their second contract. There's a chance in his next deal he could be like a 34.5% 3 point shooter. Nothing great but that would at least give him the ability to play off ball.

12.5 million feels like pretty much the most Smart could ever get in any market, but Ainge knows what he's doing and he's worked with the owners long enough to know how much they'd pay in lux tax. So only he truly knows what kind of finances he's playing with. And if Smart makes any development in his game which is unlikley but could happen it'll be a reasonable contract. In 2 years the 2016 contracts are going to come off the books and teams will have the cap space to be able to make trades again.

[brackdan70]

Whoever is not getting it done. If all of them are beasting, then we have nothing to worry about. I'm fine with winning a title where we don't need Smart. Heck, if the Warriors are willing to just shoot at their own basket, we can let them play 5-on-0 for all I care.

No way man, this is like 2k where all you gotta do is put the 5 guys with the best overall rating on the floor and you win.

Name one playoff team where they're paying someone who isn't a top 5 player on the team $12 mil a year or more and that contract isn't considered a bad one

Boston

[smith2373]

No way man, this is like 2k where all you gotta do is put the 5 guys with the best overall rating on the floor and you win.

Name one playoff team where they're paying someone who isn't a top 5 player on the team $12 mil a year or more and that contract isn't considered a bad one

Without going through all the teams... Iguodala?

I think he's overpaid, but even beyond that, he was a top 5 player on the team when he got that deal.

But I'll give you that one for the sake of argument

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

No way man, this is like 2k where all you gotta do is put the 5 guys with the best overall rating on the floor and you win.

Name one playoff team where they're paying someone who isn't a top 5 player on the team $12 mil a year or more and that contract isn't considered a bad one

Without going through all the teams... Iguodala?

Iguodala is the 5th best player on the warriors right now.

Of course that may change once Cousins comes back.

[tombattor]

Name one playoff team where they're paying someone who isn't a top 5 player on the team $12 mil a year or more and that contract isn't considered a bad one

Without going through all the teams... Iguodala?

I think he's overpaid, but even beyond that, he was a top 5 player on the team when he got that deal.

But I'll give you that one for the sake of argument

So if the historically great team does that, it's not a bad idea, right?

[CelticsLV]

Overpaying role players is typically a bad idea.

However we lost Tony Allen for nothing and that probably cost us a championship.

Finally, SOMETHING is happening.

Guess this means we're trading Rozier soon?

If we're paying Smart that much money we must want him as our secondary ball handler right? And we're getting that SAC pick as well as we'll have ring chasers coming to our team next off season.

Doubt we want to pay both Smart and Rozier 12+ million to come off the bench with 2/3 of our starting lineup on maxes for the foreseeable future (either it'll be Irving and Hayward, or rotating to Brown and Tatum).

I think Rozier stays as an insurance for Irving and is let go if everything works out well with Irving. This team is going after the title next year. Why weaken the team? Besides we have picks next year to draft potential replacements.

[ConstableGeneva]

Get this deal done already and let's go bust some nuts!!

[smith2373]

Without going through all the teams... Iguodala?

I think he's overpaid, but even beyond that, he was a top 5 player on the team when he got that deal.

But I'll give you that one for the sake of argument

So if the historically great team does that, it's not a bad idea, right?

Only if the Celtics plan on also being historically great I guess

[tombattor]

Name one playoff team where they're paying someone who isn't a top 5 player on the team $12 mil a year or more and that contract isn't considered a bad one

Without going through all the teams... Iguodala?

Iguodala is the 5th best player on the warriors right now.

Boogie

[KGboss]

Name one playoff team where they're paying someone who isn't a top 5 player on the team $12 mil a year or more and that contract isn't considered a bad one

Without going through all the teams... Iguodala?

Iguodala is the 5th best player on the warriors right now.

Of course that may change once Cousins comes back.

Cousins?

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[tombattor]

I think he's overpaid, but even beyond that, he was a top 5 player on the team when he got that deal.

But I'll give you that one for the sake of argument

So if the historically great team does that, it's not a bad idea, right?

Only if the Celtics plan on also being historically great I guess

We do.

[brackdan70]

Get this deal done already and let's go bust some nuts!!

Excellent post. I expect some of the 4/50 is unlikely incentives related to “accidental” groin punches