The Knicks Scenario

[Captain_Caveman]

How good are KD/Kyrie/that Knick roster?

Top 4 in the east?

I think Kyrie depends on whether the Celts get AD or not, which depends on whether the Knicks get Zion or not.

Sure, but why are so many folks already giving up and acting like we should all of a sudden rebuild? Knicks will be fun and win a bunch of games, but people seem to really be putting the cart before the horse with that potential team

It's definitely a possibility. But media needs views and clicks, and some people like to freak out over a soap opera. Knicks have my attention, but not scared.

[rocarlos24]

Hey guys knicks fan here, I think you guys are missing the real plan in play here, we trade for Kyrie, trade for Ad sign Durant .... ur welcome

[truth18]

Hey guys knicks fan here, I think you guys are missing the real plan in play here, we trade for Kyrie, trade for Ad sign Durant .... ur welcome

Lol. Yeah we never even considered that. We really missed it.

[yeahM8]

Hey guys knicks fan here, I think you guys are missing the real plan in play here, we trade for Kyrie, trade for Ad sign Durant .... ur welcome

thanks for clearing that up

[Andrew McCeltic]

Hey guys knicks fan here, I think you guys are missing the real plan in play here, we trade for Kyrie, trade for Ad sign Durant .... ur welcome

Yeah? What’s the current trade scenario in Knicks land? Enes Kanter and Mario Hezonja? Boston gets a big who can rebound and a young player who might put it all together under Brad Stevens?

[Andrew McCeltic]

The best play for Boston could actually be dealing Kyrie to a team over the cap, because his Bird rights would be meaningful..

I want him dealt to the Nets..

[ermocrate]

Don't understand why guys would willing want to play for the worst owner in the NBA........

Why does everyone care about the owner so much? Dolan by all accounts doesn't even seem involved with the team; he's out playing banjo or whatever with his band.

Guitar, he shreds on the guitar you son of a bitch

Wow, an electric guitar with no tremolo arm, this man is worst than I imagined.

[darrendaye]

If it's predicated on the Knicks getting Durant and Davis (by draft fortune), I can't hate on Kyrie for that stars-aligned situation.

[Bleeding Green]

Hey guys knicks fan here, I think you guys are missing the real plan in play here, we trade for Kyrie, trade for Ad sign Durant .... ur welcome

Kyrie and the Kings pick for Kanter, who says no?

[rocarlos24]

Kyrie for Zion who says no? Especially if he’s not signing with you

[Captain_Caveman]

Hey guys knicks fan here, I think you guys are missing the real plan in play here, we trade for Kyrie, trade for Ad sign Durant .... ur welcome

You already have enough cap room to sign KD and Kyrie outright, chucklenuts.

Would still be able to trade for AD afterwards.

But a lot of that falls apart if you don't land Zion in the lottery.

[Andrew McCeltic]

14 percent chance they get Zion.. 26 percent chance they get Zion or Barrett. 39 percent chance they get a top 3 pick. Last year? The odds the worst team would get a top 3 pick were 64 percent. Now, the odds they pick fourth or fifth are 61 percent.. Not sure anyone gets how unlikely it is the Knicks are able to convert their pick into Anthony Davis.

[reload141]

Hey guys knicks fan here, I think you guys are missing the real plan in play here, we trade for Kyrie, trade for Ad sign Durant .... ur welcome

You already have enough cap room to sign KD and Kyrie outright, chucklenuts.

Would still be able to trade for AD afterwards.

But a lot of that falls apart if you don't land Zion in the lottery.

Knicks are still the Knicks, they are prone to screwing things up.

Every.
Time.

Wouldn’t be surprised if they extended Kanter and signed Draymond Green as their marquee player, while having the number 1 pick and choosing Bol Bol.

[GoCeltics123]

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[Andrew McCeltic]

Dolan needs to sell the team. But I think there must be something about the New York spotlight that makes Knicks GMs screw up.. a ton of pressure and a ton of temptation to make deals.

[Darth Celtic]

I fully expect them to get the 4th pick, trade it to the wiz for Wall, and sign Cousins and T Harris to 4 year deals.

[Turgon]

For this whole scenario, 4 things need to happen, with varying degrees of reasonability:

1) Knicks get the #1 pick (at best 14% probability)
2) NO waits till next season and accepts Knicks offer;
3) Durant signs with the Knicks;
4) Kyrie signs with the Knicks.

So, we all know the probabilities of the #1 pick: 14% at best.
2) will only happen if they get #1. And even then we're not sure the Pelicans would prefer it to, say, Brown, Tatum, Smart and 4+ first round picks. He may even agree to a deal with Ainge right now that he won't renege on.
As for 3) Captain says there are rumors about KD considering signing with the Knicks and I believe him, but he certainly hasn't made his mind up yet. Maybe he's simply trying to force the FO to ship Green out of there. Or maybe when push comes to shove he will simply stay with the Warriors. Who knows what's in his mind?

And as for Kyrie, who knows? He's certainly not the most trust inspiring guy around, but will he really bolt for a Knicks team that has sucked for years and became a joke of a franchise? If he does, it would be to win a championship and that would probably only be possible in NY with both Davis AND Durant.

So what is the final probability of this happening? Fairly low. Possible but unlikely. I still trust Kyrie will stay, but like Captain says it's not guaranteed.

[wco81]

How good are KD/Kyrie/that Knick roster?

Top 4 in the east?

Better than us without Kyrie

But worse than us with Kyrie and AD.

All today was Kyrie telling Ainge that he better put his nuts on the table when it comes to AD or he’s out, something that a few of us were already saying.

That's kind of a choice between Kyrie and Tatum.

Kyrie is one of the best shotmakers in the league. But Tatum is 21?

Kyrie may be better now but in 3-4 years?

[Andrew McCeltic]

For this whole scenario, 4 things need to happen, with varying degrees of reasonability:

1) Knicks get the #1 pick (at best 14% probability)
2) NO waits till next season and accepts Knicks offer;
3) Durant signs with the Knicks;
4) Kyrie signs with the Knicks.

So, we all know the probabilities of the #1 pick: 14% at best.
2) will only happen if they get #1. And even then we're not sure the Pelicans would prefer it to, say, Brown, Tatum, Smart and 4+ first round picks. He may even agree to a deal with Ainge right now that he won't renege on.
As for 3) Captain says there are rumors about KD considering signing with the Knicks and I believe him, but he certainly hasn't made his mind up yet. Maybe he's simply trying to force the FO to ship Green out of there. Or maybe when push comes to shove he will simply stay with the Warriors. Who knows what's in his mind?

And as for Kyrie, who knows? He's certainly not the most trust inspiring guy around, but will he really bolt for a Knicks team that has sucked for years and became a joke of a franchise? If he does, it would be to win a championship and that would probably only be possible in NY with both Davis AND Durant.

So what is the final probability of this happening? Fairly low. Possible but unlikely. I still trust Kyrie will stay, but like Captain says it's not guaranteed.

Right, but it's

1. Davis isn't traded before the deadline.
2. New York makes no additional trades for draft picks or Pelicans-friendly players.
3. Knicks get a top 3 pick. (Barrett or Ja Morant probably keep the Knicks in the running.)
4. Durant leaves the Warriors and chooses the Knicks.
5. Davis hasn't been traded to Boston.
6. Kyrie leaves Boston for New York.

[GoCeltics123]

For this whole scenario, 4 things need to happen, with varying degrees of reasonability:

1) Knicks get the #1 pick (at best 14% probability)
2) NO waits till next season and accepts Knicks offer;
3) Durant signs with the Knicks;
4) Kyrie signs with the Knicks.

So, we all know the probabilities of the #1 pick: 14% at best.
2) will only happen if they get #1. And even then we're not sure the Pelicans would prefer it to, say, Brown, Tatum, Smart and 4+ first round picks. He may even agree to a deal with Ainge right now that he won't renege on.
As for 3) Captain says there are rumors about KD considering signing with the Knicks and I believe him, but he certainly hasn't made his mind up yet. Maybe he's simply trying to force the FO to ship Green out of there. Or maybe when push comes to shove he will simply stay with the Warriors. Who knows what's in his mind?

And as for Kyrie, who knows? He's certainly not the most trust inspiring guy around, but will he really bolt for a Knicks team that has sucked for years and became a joke of a franchise? If he does, it would be to win a championship and that would probably only be possible in NY with both Davis AND Durant.

So what is the final probability of this happening? Fairly low. Possible but unlikely. I still trust Kyrie will stay, but like Captain says it's not guaranteed.

Right, but it's

1. Davis isn't traded before the deadline.
2. New York makes no additional trades for draft picks or Pelicans-friendly players.
3. Knicks get a top 3 pick. (Barrett or Ja Morant probably keep the Knicks in the running.)
4. Durant leaves the Warriors and chooses the Knicks.
5. Davis hasn't been traded to Boston.
6. Kyrie leaves Boston for New York.

Barrett/Ja Morant aren't Zion. I'm pretty darn sure only Zion does it for the Knicks.