Anthony Davis Requests Trade, pt 2

[thelarrybirdx]

Horford will 100% block his inclusion in an AD deal— im expecting him to opt out and eventually agree to a ~4/70 type deal. We also need him for the above, as it is ADs preference to not play the 5.

4/70??? That could get ugly.

That's what the Blazers paid Evan Turner. If Al took less than $20 million/year, I would be happy with that.

Was more so talking about the length of the contract.

[SLCceltic]

I really & truly do not want to move JT.
He is going to be a Top 10 NBA player.
I love AD’s generational talent - do not like his injury history & not convinced he stays after 1 year.
Mother **** dilemma. Goddamit.

To me this is what makes the chance of Boston actually getting AD credible. We're giving up enough that it's genuinely a tough decision on our end. Reminds me a lot of the Big Al for KG deal. He was still only 22 and had just put up a double-double in his first real year of playing time. A lot of people were scared that KG wouldn't re-sign with us, and to boot we threw in a bunch of oththat er young players and picks. One big difference is that KG was 31 and AD will be 26 next year.

Tatum = Big Al
Rozier/(Brown or Robert Williams)/Semi = Telfair/Gerald Green/Gomes

Then add in 1st round picks and salaries to match... very similar deal.

KG signed 5yr extension in that deal .. DA would not have made the trade if he hadn't

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

4/70??? That could get ugly.

That's what the Blazers paid Evan Turner. If Al took less than $20 million/year, I would be happy with that.

Was more so talking about the length of the contract.

Fair enough. I'd be happy with 3/$60 million too, but I think Al would want that extra year.

[Froob]

Only way he gets to LA is if he signs there in FA, becoming clear not only are they not interested in what the Lakers have to offer, they also do not want to deal with them. I'd set Boston -400 and the Lakers +500 to get him.

[jirrit]

Really want to keep Al Horford. Man he deserves a ring so bad. Maybe he takes one for the team with his contract.

Same. But one of Al,Hayward or Smart HAS to go in the deal essentially for Salary purposes. No one is taking that Hayward contract now so unfortunately, it looks like we have to lose him or Marcus to make it happen.

This is why it’s almost not worth it. Yeah you would have AD but zero high end youth and and the DNA of the team would be ripped apart. Also, Stevens wouldn’t have the ability to keep minutes low like he wants to.

There are a ton of other variables that nobody is considering.

The fact there’s even an option of acquiring AD makes me high. I dont get what youre talking about. He’s the definition of a stud. Irving and AD at 26 something years old together in one team.

LOL

[Jaqua92]

Same. But one of Al,Hayward or Smart HAS to go in the deal essentially for Salary purposes. No one is taking that Hayward contract now so unfortunately, it looks like we have to lose him or Marcus to make it happen.

This is why it’s almost not worth it. Yeah you would have AD but zero high end youth and and the DNA of the team would be ripped apart. Also, Stevens wouldn’t have the ability to keep minutes low like he wants to.

There are a ton of other variables that nobody is considering.

The fact there’s even an option of acquiring AD makes me high. I dont get what youre talking about. He’s the definition of a stud. Irving and AD at 26 something years old together in one team.

LOL

Yeah, I mean that duo becomes an all time duo, I would think

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[greenroom31]

Tatum 21yo, 2yrs - Kuzma 24yo, 3yrs
Brown 22yo, 1yrs - Ball 21yo, 3yrs (turning 22)
Rozier 25yo, 0yrs - Ingram 21yo, 2yrs (turning 22)
Smart 25yo, 3yrs - Zubac 21yo, 0yrs (turning 22 cheap resign)

Tatum is 3 years (same draft as Ball), Brown is 2 years (same draft as Ingram), with Rozier you have matching rights as he's an RFA unlike Zubac. Smart is also on a bargain deal relative to his contribution if he keeps shooting like has been this year.

Also, Tatum, Smart and Rozier all have birthdays in March and are 20, 24 and 24 respectively FWIW. Some of the Lakers players' birthdays are wrong too (i.e. Kuzma is 23).

My ranking of the avaliable players right now would be.

1. Tatum - Youngest, most skilled already and still has room for improvement.
2. Kuzma - Perfect player at PF for todays game, plays hard every game.
3. Ingram - Still has a lot of potential, can score on any player
4. Brown - good 2 way player hasn't shown enough to say he's a good first option
5. Ball - suprisingly good defensively, still raw offensively but has the tools to maximise potential.
6. Smart - hard nosed player, plays hard every night, inconsistent shooter
7. Rozier - Good defender, solid all around skills, would probably rank higher on this list if Irving wasnt there. Makes it hard to judge who Rozier could really be. Plus his play has declined since Kyrie's return even though his minutes are not that different.
8. Zubac - Big body, nice touch around the rim, solid rebounder, not enough time on the court to see who he could really be.

On any given day Ball, Smart and Rozier's position could change but the fact is Kuzma and Ingram's value is higher today than Brown's who would be the headliner in your deal if you held Tatum out.

First off, ranking them this way diminishes the importance of getting the top player. Tatum at #1 is a much better prospect than anyone else on this list. I actually have Kuzma, Ingram, Brown all very close in terms of value, as Kuzma and Ingram just have much higher usage since their team has been terrible the last few years which inflates their stats.

Rozier and Ball are similar value too IMO, as Lonzo hasn't shown enough while Rozier has filled in as a starter very respectably over the past couple of seasons. Smart isn't really an apples-to-apples comparison to the others on this list because he's already a proven commodity. His upside may be lower than some of these guys, but his floor is higher than anyone but Tatum's.

The money of the contracts for all players involved works in the Lakers favor.

Why? Tatum makes less than Ball, Brown makes less than Ingram, Smart is on a great deal and Rozier is TBD, but could end up being a similar deal to Marcus. Not sure what you're basing this on.

[pelifan]

If Horford opts in, he's in the deal. Ainge when the time comes I'm sure will encourage Horford to opt in because even if he opts out you are already looking at over the tax probably with Davis, Max Kyrie, Hayward, Smart and Brown alone. Then you have got to resign Morris and Horford, and now you're entering most expensive roster in basketball territory.

Work with Al, find good 3rd team for him is the best option for the Celtics imo, and probably Al too because 30 million is a ton of money.

Boston: Davis, Poetl
New Orleans: Tatum, Pau Gasol, Mem pick, Sac pick
San Antonio: Horford

we can quibble over the filler but I like that. SA could maybe chip in a little more too. I know Pop and co would love to stick it to the Lakers.

This leaves Ainge room to bring back Morris, use exceptions, sign and trade (or retain) Rozier etc, and should still have some picks he can deal to add talent to the roster. I just dont see how its financially possible to add so much money in Davis, give Kyrie and Morris raises and still bring back Al even in the event he opts out.

[Homerclease]

If Horford opts in, he's in the deal. Ainge when the time comes I'm sure will encourage Horford to opt in because even if he opts out you are already looking at over the tax probably with Davis, Max Kyrie, Hayward, Smart and Brown alone. Then you have got to resign Morris and Horford, and now you're entering most expensive roster in basketball territory.

Work with Al, find good 3rd team for him is the best option for the Celtics imo, and probably Al too because 30 million is a ton of money.

Boston: Davis, Poetl
New Orleans: Tatum, Pau Gasol, Mem pick, Sac pick
San Antonio: Horford

we can quibble over the filler but I like that. SA could maybe chip in a little more too. I know Pop and co would love to stick it to the Lakers.

This leaves Ainge room to bring back Morris, use exceptions, sign and trade (or retain) Rozier etc, and should still have some picks he can deal to add talent to the roster. I just dont see how its financially possible to add so much money in Davis, give Kyrie and Morris raises and still bring back Al even in the event he opts out.

Horford isn’t opting in to get traded.

Ownership doesn’t care about the luxury tax.

[Celts17Pride]

If Horford opts in, he's in the deal.

He won't and there is no way Ainge or the Pelicans GM can control this. It's Horford's choice.

[pelifan]

If Horford opts in, he's in the deal. Ainge when the time comes I'm sure will encourage Horford to opt in because even if he opts out you are already looking at over the tax probably with Davis, Max Kyrie, Hayward, Smart and Brown alone. Then you have got to resign Morris and Horford, and now you're entering most expensive roster in basketball territory.

Work with Al, find good 3rd team for him is the best option for the Celtics imo, and probably Al too because 30 million is a ton of money.

Boston: Davis, Poetl
New Orleans: Tatum, Pau Gasol, Mem pick, Sac pick
San Antonio: Horford

we can quibble over the filler but I like that. SA could maybe chip in a little more too. I know Pop and co would love to stick it to the Lakers.

This leaves Ainge room to bring back Morris, use exceptions, sign and trade (or retain) Rozier etc, and should still have some picks he can deal to add talent to the roster. I just dont see how its financially possible to add so much money in Davis, give Kyrie and Morris raises and still bring back Al even in the event he opts out.

Horford isn’t opting in to get traded.

Ownership doesn’t care about the luxury tax.

We're talking like 40 or 50 million over though, and it's really difficult to work a trade without someone Boston would more rather not give up as salary filler. These sign and trade scenarios are unrealistic because the deal probably needs to be done by draft night because NO wants to control who is selected at those picks.

[pelifan]

If Horford opts in, he's in the deal.

He won't and there is no way Ainge or the Pelicans GM can control this. It's Horford's choice.

Thats the power of the word if.

[Banks2Pierce]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25892346/new-orleans-pelicans-gm-dell-demps-returned-call-los-angeles-lakers-gm-anthony-davis

Davis doing the whole "I'll be a rental to anyone but LA" thing.

Demps literally not calling back Pelinka.

[Homerclease]

If Horford opts in, he's in the deal. Ainge when the time comes I'm sure will encourage Horford to opt in because even if he opts out you are already looking at over the tax probably with Davis, Max Kyrie, Hayward, Smart and Brown alone. Then you have got to resign Morris and Horford, and now you're entering most expensive roster in basketball territory.

Work with Al, find good 3rd team for him is the best option for the Celtics imo, and probably Al too because 30 million is a ton of money.

Boston: Davis, Poetl
New Orleans: Tatum, Pau Gasol, Mem pick, Sac pick
San Antonio: Horford

we can quibble over the filler but I like that. SA could maybe chip in a little more too. I know Pop and co would love to stick it to the Lakers.

This leaves Ainge room to bring back Morris, use exceptions, sign and trade (or retain) Rozier etc, and should still have some picks he can deal to add talent to the roster. I just dont see how its financially possible to add so much money in Davis, give Kyrie and Morris raises and still bring back Al even in the event he opts out.

Horford isn’t opting in to get traded.

Ownership doesn’t care about the luxury tax.

We're talking like 40 or 50 million over though, and it's really difficult to work a trade without someone Boston would more rather not give up as salary filler. These sign and trade scenarios are unrealistic because the deal probably needs to be done by draft night because NO wants to control who is selected at those picks.

Ownership is on record about paying the tax. There’s nothing to discuss there.

If anything, Horford opts out and resigns for more years at less per year. He’s not picking up his option to be salary ballast.

The deal is likely Tatum, Smart, Yabusele and picks

[LuckyLeprechaun]

If Al opts out he will be giving up a lot of money next season because we're not going to offer him the max again. Which is good for us. If he opts in to chase money, that's also good for us.

[Froob]

If Horford opts in, he's in the deal.

He won't and there is no way Ainge or the Pelicans GM can control this. It's Horford's choice.

Thats the power of the word if.

Wonder if Horford might just take the money. I wonder who pays him on the open market or what Boston offers him. I personally don’t see him allowing himself to be a part of the deal. The Wiz wanted him at one point, perhaps he goes to DC and Pels get Porter.

[Jakeopp]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25892346/new-orleans-pelicans-gm-dell-demps-returned-call-los-angeles-lakers-gm-anthony-davis

Davis doing the whole "I'll be a rental to anyone but LA" thing.

Demps literally not calling back Pelinka.

That's one way to lower your trade value...

[pelifan]

Horford isn’t opting in to get traded.

Ownership doesn’t care about the luxury tax.

We're talking like 40 or 50 million over though, and it's really difficult to work a trade without someone Boston would more rather not give up as salary filler. These sign and trade scenarios are unrealistic because the deal probably needs to be done by draft night because NO wants to control who is selected at those picks.

Ownership is on record about paying the tax. There’s nothing to discuss there.

If anything, Horford opts out and resigns for more years at less per year. He’s not picking up his option to be salary ballast.

The deal is likely Tatum, Smart, Yabusele and picks

I'm fine with that too, but let's not act like getting paid 30 million to play ball in SA is totally unappealing to Horford.

Also everybody has a limit. The way the tax works nowadays its not unrealistic that Boston could be paying hundreds of million dollars in luxury tax annually. They could be making OKC's luxury tax bill of 73 million look like peanuts. Brown and Davis cap figures are due to jump as well.

[Homerclease]

If Horford opts in, he's in the deal. Ainge when the time comes I'm sure will encourage Horford to opt in because even if he opts out you are already looking at over the tax probably with Davis, Max Kyrie, Hayward, Smart and Brown alone. Then you have got to resign Morris and Horford, and now you're entering most expensive roster in basketball territory.

Work with Al, find good 3rd team for him is the best option for the Celtics imo, and probably Al too because 30 million is a ton of money.

Boston: Davis, Poetl
New Orleans: Tatum, Pau Gasol, Mem pick, Sac pick
San Antonio: Horford

we can quibble over the filler but I like that. SA could maybe chip in a little more too. I know Pop and co would love to stick it to the Lakers.

This leaves Ainge room to bring back Morris, use exceptions, sign and trade (or retain) Rozier etc, and should still have some picks he can deal to add talent to the roster. I just dont see how its financially possible to add so much money in Davis, give Kyrie and Morris raises and still bring back Al even in the event he opts out.

Horford isn’t opting in to get traded.

Ownership doesn’t care about the luxury tax.

If Al opts out he will be giving up a lot of money next season because we're not going to offer him the max again.

Not saying it's likely but you don't think it's possible Al would take the money by opting in and getting his trade kicker? He did leave Atlanta because he was mad they didn't want to pay him more than anyone else after all.

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3 for 60 is more than 1 for 30.

I think he’s opting out no question.

[Homerclease]

We're talking like 40 or 50 million over though, and it's really difficult to work a trade without someone Boston would more rather not give up as salary filler. These sign and trade scenarios are unrealistic because the deal probably needs to be done by draft night because NO wants to control who is selected at those picks.

Ownership is on record about paying the tax. There’s nothing to discuss there.

If anything, Horford opts out and resigns for more years at less per year. He’s not picking up his option to be salary ballast.

The deal is likely Tatum, Smart, Yabusele and picks

I'm fine with that too, but let's not act like getting paid 30 million to play ball in SA is totally unappealing to Horford.

Also everybody has a limit. The way the tax works nowadays its not unrealistic that Boston could be paying hundreds of million dollars in luxury tax annually. They could be making OKC's luxury tax bill of 73 million look like peanuts. Brown and Davis cap figures are due to jump as well.

I think getting traded off a title contender at this stage of his career to go treadmill in San Antonio is 100% unappealing to Al Horford at this point.

Ownership has said they are willing to pay the tax for a contender. I don’t know what else to tell you.