Sophmores, 2020-21 – Langford, G. Williams, Edwards, Waters, Tacko

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I can certainly see Hayward going to the bench while he's still a better player than Langford. But, even with expected improvements from Tatum and Brown -- and the chance of Rob Williams eventually starting -- that could leave too little in the way of ball-handling in the starting unit. So Hayward's replacement in the starting unit might actually be Smart, with Langford ascending down the road in replacement of Walker.

So far at least Langford's not shown his purported PG skills at 0.6 assists per 36, but it seems contradictory to say that Langford shouldn't replace Hayward because of ballhandling and then that he could be Walker's replacement. (Again, I'm giving Romeo a full year off the bench but with big minutes next season.) Also, remember, Rob is a great passer and a year and a half from now, after a full year starting, they will likely really be taking advantage of that in the starting lineup, as well as the Jays having another year and a half to develop their playmaking.

In my hypothetical scenario, by the time Langford gets to the starting lineup, he's playing next to Smart rather than Walker, and everybody has had one or more extra seasons of development.

Presuming Hayward is back next year (and healthy) it should be what will turn out to be his best year on this contract--and I don't see any reason to start Smart ahead of him.

[Bleeding Green]

This is probably fast-forwarding way too far into the future but I watch this kid and I wonder if he shows the skill to break into the starting lineup maybe after next season. That would be maybe the first time that you could even think of moving Jaylen. Not saying that we definitely would. But I'll be watching Romeo's growth next to Jaylen's. Jaylens leap this season has been considerable. But I think Romeo's potential as a defender may be higher than Jaylen's. Romeo's offensive potential, I still want to see more of. But if he projects to be someone who could be better than Jaylen on defense and approach his offensive skills then...

I know they typically run a traditional big to start the game, but I'd be most excited to see a Kemba/Brown/Hayward/Langford/Tatum grouping just go out and **** destroy teams. I don't see why you can't have like 10 wings, you don't need to trade Brown to fit Langford in.

Ahh...run a "Houston" out there. I can dig it.

I was thinking of running a Warriors out there, dunno why Houston is getting all this press like they invented something novel.

[Bleeding Green]

Edwards 8 threes against the Cavs in the preseason will be the highlight of his career.

What a huge dissapointment.

He’s a rookie he needs some time to adjust to the NBA.

The expectations that have been set on a player drafted 33rd overall are much too lofty.

Bruh if you aren't MVP after the first 294 minutes of your rookie season as a second round pick, you've failed. This dude would have released Draymond Green after his first injury-riddled rookie season I'm sure.

[Parliament10]

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So cute! (Gotta click through for the full art show, though I particularly like that Tacko sculpture.)

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[Gomes3PC]

Romeo got an education in his very limited minutes tonight. Slow on rotations, couple of fouls on pump-fakes. If we're fully healthy, there's not really a rotation spot for him. That said, we're never healthy, and if there's more of a 15-20 MPG role, I hope they ride the ups and downs with him.

[CelticsLV]

He’s a rookie he needs some time to adjust to the NBA.

The expectations that have been set on a player drafted 33rd overall are much too lofty.

Bruh if you aren't MVP after the first 294 minutes of your rookie season as a second round pick, you've failed. This dude would have released Draymond Green after his first injury-riddled rookie season I'm sure.

Here's the thing. Shooting is one of the most translatable skills from collage to the NBA. Even in college Edwards was below average shooter who sometimes got hot. That was all his highlights - the games when he caught fire. In the NBA he offers nothing else besides hope that this will be the night. He's undersized, hopeless on defense, can't playmake at all. And he's a 3 year college player. Usually you expect something right away from such players. He hasn't even shown flashes of anything. Defense, playmaking, scoring, shooting you name it. Positional basketball is not his thing. He's a high volume chucker, well suited for G-league or China. Remember Jimmer? That's Carsen, only worse.

I believe Danny got fooled by those march madness games. Otherwise I've no idea what he saw in this guy.

[Bleeding Green]

The expectations that have been set on a player drafted 33rd overall are much too lofty.

Bruh if you aren't MVP after the first 294 minutes of your rookie season as a second round pick, you've failed. This dude would have released Draymond Green after his first injury-riddled rookie season I'm sure.

Here's the thing. Shooting is one of the most transferable skills from collage to the NBA. Even in college Edwards was below average shooter who sometimes got hot. That was all his highlights - the games when he caught fire. In the NBA he offers nothing else besides hope that this will be the night. He's undersized, hopeless on defense, can't playmake at all. And he's a 3 year college player. Usually you expect something right away from such players. He hasn't even shown flashes of anything. Defense, playmaking, scoring, shooting you name it. Positional basketball is not his thing. He's a high volume chucker, well suited for G-league or China. Remember Jimmer? That's Carsen, only worse.

I believe Danny got fooled by those march madness games. Otherwise I've no idea what he saw in this guy.

I think you're underselling his defense, but sure he's not a playmaker at all. He looked like a capable guard defender to me. He's a guy who takes 20 shots and gets hot sometimes. Whether he becomes that guy, who knows, but nothing he's done so far should really have altered anyone's opinion. He's literally played 300 minutes in small spurts.

Jimmer Fredette, if his shot transferred, and didn't think he was Kobe, probably a good player on offense.

[bucknersrevenge]

I know they typically run a traditional big to start the game, but I'd be most excited to see a Kemba/Brown/Hayward/Langford/Tatum grouping just go out and **** destroy teams. I don't see why you can't have like 10 wings, you don't need to trade Brown to fit Langford in.

Ahh...run a "Houston" out there. I can dig it.

I was thinking of running a Warriors out there, dunno why Houston is getting all this press like they invented something novel.

Not saying that they did or forgetting what Golden St. accomplished. Just noting that Houston is the team currently starting and playing games without a legitimate big. Either way, your larger point, I get it. At the moment, not making a deal out of who gets the credit for pioneering it.

[Mr_Mojo_Risin]

Only two rookies in Celtics history have registered 16+ points and 3+ blocks in a game as a reserve -- Kevin McHale (1981) and Romeo Langford (last night).

These paradoxically intriguing yet meaningless Celtics factoids are much appreciated. Do not know how you come up with them, Zoya, but for some reason I feel like a more fulfilled Celtics fan for knowing this.

BBRef is my friend. And you're welcome.

Hopefully some fans don't misconstrue it as me comparing one player to the other. It's mostly for fun.

I now expect Langford to end up the equal of McHale and blame you if he doesn’t.

[LewisnotMiller]

These paradoxically intriguing yet meaningless Celtics factoids are much appreciated. Do not know how you come up with them, Zoya, but for some reason I feel like a more fulfilled Celtics fan for knowing this.

BBRef is my friend. And you're welcome.

Hopefully some fans don't misconstrue it as me comparing one player to the other. It's mostly for fun.

I now expect Langford to end up the equal of McHale and blame you if he doesn’t.

You're trying to tell me he'll struggle to guard point guards, and will be a low volume three point shooter with no step back three at all?????

[Dogen]

These paradoxically intriguing yet meaningless Celtics factoids are much appreciated. Do not know how you come up with them, Zoya, but for some reason I feel like a more fulfilled Celtics fan for knowing this.

BBRef is my friend. And you're welcome.

Hopefully some fans don't misconstrue it as me comparing one player to the other. It's mostly for fun.

I now expect Langford to end up the equal of McHale and blame you if he doesn’t.

Draft war room to Danny: Welp, Herro's gone, but we got Sekou, Thybulle, NAW and Clarke still on the board. What's the call, Chief?

Ainge: Yeah, yeah, yea, the usual suspects. But there's something about that Langford kid's post game... where have I seen that before? So familiar, yet.... well **** it, he's gonna be the next Kevin McHale. Send it!

[zoyathedestroya]

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No Tacko?

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The expectations that have been set on a player drafted 33rd overall are much too lofty.

Bruh if you aren't MVP after the first 294 minutes of your rookie season as a second round pick, you've failed. This dude would have released Draymond Green after his first injury-riddled rookie season I'm sure.

Here's the thing. Shooting is one of the most translatable skills from collage to the NBA. Even in college Edwards was below average shooter who sometimes got hot. That was all his highlights - the games when he caught fire. In the NBA he offers nothing else besides hope that this will be the night. He's undersized, hopeless on defense, can't playmake at all. And he's a 3 year college player. Usually you expect something right away from such players. He hasn't even shown flashes of anything. Defense, playmaking, scoring, shooting you name it. Positional basketball is not his thing. He's a high volume chucker, well suited for G-league or China. Remember Jimmer? That's Carsen, only worse.

I believe Danny got fooled by those march madness games. Otherwise I've no idea what he saw in this guy.

I got fooled by his SL and preseason. Thought he'd have the smoothest transition for what he could do well.

[5InOfLouisville]

The expectations that have been set on a player drafted 33rd overall are much too lofty.

Bruh if you aren't MVP after the first 294 minutes of your rookie season as a second round pick, you've failed. This dude would have released Draymond Green after his first injury-riddled rookie season I'm sure.

Here's the thing. Shooting is one of the most translatable skills from collage to the NBA. Even in college Edwards was below average shooter who sometimes got hot. That was all his highlights - the games when he caught fire. In the NBA he offers nothing else besides hope that this will be the night. He's undersized, hopeless on defense, can't playmake at all. And he's a 3 year college player. Usually you expect something right away from such players. He hasn't even shown flashes of anything. Defense, playmaking, scoring, shooting you name it. Positional basketball is not his thing. He's a high volume chucker, well suited for G-league or China. Remember Jimmer? That's Carsen, only worse.

I believe Danny got fooled by those march madness games. Otherwise I've no idea what he saw in this guy.

Im not quite as low as him as you are, as I believe he can be a decent defender, but essentially, I've made the exact same argument. He was supposed to be an "elite shooter" who was never particularly elite at shooting. He made a name for himself with streaky shooting in big games.

I have nothing against the kid, and will certainly root for him, but he's been high volume/low efficiency his whole career.

[Bleeding Green]

Carsen Edwards shot 40% from 3 as a sophomore and 35.5% as a junior. Great FT shooter. I dunno, he should be a good shooter in the NBA, but sometimes it doesn't work out. He's signed to a cheap as **** 4 year deal, so there is no rush with him, and they have every incentive to develop him for the entirety of the deal given the rest of the salaries on the roster. He's never going to be a guy who beats you off the dribble and scores at the rim in traffic, but he can launch threes with a quick release and shown that he can shoot at all levels until he got to the NBA and played in 3 minute spurts for a few months. In college he had the entire offensive burden on him, had a 37.3 usage rate. You think if maybe he has a set role and doesn't have to taken ten awful shots every game maybe he'll be more efficient?

EZ 40% 3p shooter by his third season.

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Carsen Edwards shot 40% from 3 as a sophomore and 35.5% as a junior. Great FT shooter. I dunno, he should be a good shooter in the NBA, but sometimes it doesn't work out. He's signed to a cheap as **** 4 year deal, so there is no rush with him, and they have every incentive to develop him for the entirety of the deal given the rest of the salaries on the roster. He's never going to be a guy who beats you off the dribble and scores at the rim in traffic, but he can launch threes with a quick release and shown that he can shoot at all levels until he got to the NBA and played in 3 minute spurts for a few months. In college he had the entire offensive burden on him, had a 37.3 usage rate. You think if maybe he has a set role and doesn't have to taken ten awful shots every game maybe he'll be more efficient?

EZ 40% 3p shooter by his third season.

For how awful he's been, they've sure given him a lot of minutes and shots. So they must fairly well believe in him.

[Bleeding Green]

Carsen Edwards shot 40% from 3 as a sophomore and 35.5% as a junior. Great FT shooter. I dunno, he should be a good shooter in the NBA, but sometimes it doesn't work out. He's signed to a cheap as **** 4 year deal, so there is no rush with him, and they have every incentive to develop him for the entirety of the deal given the rest of the salaries on the roster. He's never going to be a guy who beats you off the dribble and scores at the rim in traffic, but he can launch threes with a quick release and shown that he can shoot at all levels until he got to the NBA and played in 3 minute spurts for a few months. In college he had the entire offensive burden on him, had a 37.3 usage rate. You think if maybe he has a set role and doesn't have to taken ten awful shots every game maybe he'll be more efficient?

EZ 40% 3p shooter by his third season.

For how awful he's been, they've sure given him a lot of minutes and shots. So they must fairly well believe in him.

He has played 300 minutes and taken 100 shots. Hardly seems like a lot to me.

I mean, they drafted him at the top of the second round and immediately locked him up for four years. I'd say they like him. Unfortunately he has no role, they don't currently need a gunner off the bench and they can't afford to let him develop into one with regular minutes on a potential Finals contending team.

[5InOfLouisville]

Carsen Edwards shot 40% from 3 as a sophomore and 35.5% as a junior. Great FT shooter. I dunno, he should be a good shooter in the NBA, but sometimes it doesn't work out. He's signed to a cheap as **** 4 year deal, so there is no rush with him, and they have every incentive to develop him for the entirety of the deal given the rest of the salaries on the roster. He's never going to be a guy who beats you off the dribble and scores at the rim in traffic, but he can launch threes with a quick release and shown that he can shoot at all levels until he got to the NBA and played in 3 minute spurts for a few months. In college he had the entire offensive burden on him, had a 37.3 usage rate. You think if maybe he has a set role and doesn't have to taken ten awful shots every game maybe he'll be more efficient?

EZ 40% 3p shooter by his third season.

For how awful he's been, they've sure given him a lot of minutes and shots. So they must fairly well believe in him.

He has played 300 minutes and taken 100 shots. Hardly seems like a lot to me.

I mean, they drafted him at the top of the second round and immediately locked him up for four years. I'd say they like him. Unfortunately he has no role, they don't currently need a gunner off the bench and they can't afford to let him develop into one with regular minutes on a potential Finals contending team.

I agree that the team likes him. Maybe he will start making shots. I sure hope so

But i disagree that there isnt a role for him.

In fact, id say that a gunner off the bench might be exactly what we need at this point, and that he was given just that opportunity, and he failed.

He was given a green light to take his shot, and he just didnt hit them. I think he can be end up being a pesky defender, but that his career ultimately depends on knocking down 3s in the nba, and im not sure he can do it based on what weve seen to this point

But theres still time to show and prove, and im Definitely rooting for him