The 2021-2022 I Wouldn't Trade Brown for Simmons Because He's a Clown Trade Thread

[Curmudgeon]

It's too late for apologies from either the Sixers or Simmons. The next question is what Simmons will do when the checks stop coming.

[bucknersrevenge]

Brett Brown ruined him the moment he drafted Ben and told him that he would run point. Should've kept him as a big with a legit 4 actually running the team. You can't play in th backcourt and not shoot. You can still utilize his passing ability without making him the primary facilitator. It's entirely possible.

[BostonCouchGM]

Brett Brown ruined him the moment he drafted Ben and told him that he would run point. Should've kept him as a big with a legit 4 actually running the team. You can't play in th backcourt and not shoot. You can still utilize his passing ability without making him the primary facilitator. It's entirely possible.

this^

but I'm half convinced Simmons has been mailing it in and not shooting on purpose. I tend to be a conspiracy nut but imho he's going to go to a new team and shoot 3-5 threes a game at 35% and 75% from the line and go right back to being the MVP candidate his talent suggests. I think the Sixers know this is a possibility which is why they're sticking to their guns and demanded a huge package. They don't want egg on their face and I don't blame them. Taking less, just to get him out of town, let's him win. He has always been too cool for school and seemingly petty. He mailed it in at LSU as well and just went through the motions because he resented being forced to play a year of college.

[bucknersrevenge]

Brett Brown ruined him the moment he drafted Ben and told him that he would run point. Should've kept him as a big with a legit 4 actually running the team. You can't play in th backcourt and not shoot. You can still utilize his passing ability without making him the primary facilitator. It's entirely possible.

this^

but I'm half convinced Simmons has been mailing it in and not shooting on purpose. I tend to be a conspiracy nut but imho he's going to go to a new team and shoot 3-5 threes a game at 35% and 75% from the line and go right back to being the MVP candidate his talent suggests. I think the Sixers know this is a possibility which is why they're sticking to their guns and demanded a huge package. They don't want egg on their face and I don't blame them. Taking less, just to get him out of town, let's him win. He has always been too cool for school and seemingly petty. He mailed it in at LSU as well and just went through the motions because he resented being forced to play a year of college.

Bro, say less.

I'm totally in on him launching Cliff Robinson-style once he leaves for sure. In fact, I'm all in for him taking nothing but 3's in his first game back in Philly wherever he lands just to troll the fans.

[FlatearthZorro]

Brett Brown ruined him the moment he drafted Ben and told him that he would run point. Should've kept him as a big with a legit 4 actually running the team. You can't play in th backcourt and not shoot. You can still utilize his passing ability without making him the primary facilitator. It's entirely possible.

this^

but I'm half convinced Simmons has been mailing it in and not shooting on purpose. I tend to be a conspiracy nut but imho he's going to go to a new team and shoot 3-5 threes a game at 35% and 75% from the line and go right back to being the MVP candidate his talent suggests. I think the Sixers know this is a possibility which is why they're sticking to their guns and demanded a huge package. They don't want egg on their face and I don't blame them. Taking less, just to get him out of town, let's him win. He has always been too cool for school and seemingly petty. He mailed it in at LSU as well and just went through the motions because he resented being forced to play a year of college.

Bro, say less.

I'm totally in on him launching Cliff Robinson-style once he leaves for sure. In fact, I'm all in for him taking nothing but 3's in his first game back in Philly wherever he lands just to troll the fans.

You're mistaking the guy has hit a mental wall. He's not that great and never was, as a matter of fact, he's regressed and we don't have anything to trade for him.

[BostonCouchGM]

Brett Brown ruined him the moment he drafted Ben and told him that he would run point. Should've kept him as a big with a legit 4 actually running the team. You can't play in th backcourt and not shoot. You can still utilize his passing ability without making him the primary facilitator. It's entirely possible.

this^

but I'm half convinced Simmons has been mailing it in and not shooting on purpose. I tend to be a conspiracy nut but imho he's going to go to a new team and shoot 3-5 threes a game at 35% and 75% from the line and go right back to being the MVP candidate his talent suggests. I think the Sixers know this is a possibility which is why they're sticking to their guns and demanded a huge package. They don't want egg on their face and I don't blame them. Taking less, just to get him out of town, let's him win. He has always been too cool for school and seemingly petty. He mailed it in at LSU as well and just went through the motions because he resented being forced to play a year of college.

Bro, say less.

I'm totally in on him launching Cliff Robinson-style once he leaves for sure. In fact, I'm all in for him taking nothing but 3's in his first game back in Philly wherever he lands just to troll the fans.

get bent. I'll remind you when I'm proven right

[chrisab123]

this^

but I'm half convinced Simmons has been mailing it in and not shooting on purpose. I tend to be a conspiracy nut but imho he's going to go to a new team and shoot 3-5 threes a game at 35% and 75% from the line and go right back to being the MVP candidate his talent suggests. I think the Sixers know this is a possibility which is why they're sticking to their guns and demanded a huge package. They don't want egg on their face and I don't blame them. Taking less, just to get him out of town, let's him win. He has always been too cool for school and seemingly petty. He mailed it in at LSU as well and just went through the motions because he resented being forced to play a year of college.

Bro, say less.

I'm totally in on him launching Cliff Robinson-style once he leaves for sure. In fact, I'm all in for him taking nothing but 3's in his first game back in Philly wherever he lands just to troll the fans.

You're mistaking the guy has hit a mental wall. He's not that great and never was, as a matter of fact, he's regressed and we don't have anything to trade for him.

You're half right. He's a great defensive player. He's also an above average facilitator. But like in college he was expected to be the man and just flat out sucked and was hurt. As a 3rd option and a facilitator he'd probably excel and be the best 3rd option in the NBA. I have no doubts if he came here he'd get this team to the next level. Its just the way the pieces around him fit. Minnesota? He'd be excellent there, Atlanta he'd be an absolute beast. Why? Because he's not required to be the star. He can just blend in. The problem is that his Ego is up there with a 1st tier guy and thats not who he is. He's closer to say Rodman than Jordan on a title team (Rodman was much better) but just to illustrate where I'm going with this.

[ddb]

Simmons & his camp are screwing the 76ers. I'm on the side of Philly in this scenario. They forked out millions upon millions to Ben...Of course they drafted him as well and gave him every opportunity to shine. I am not a fan of when players hold their franchises hostage..especially with so many years left on his contract....and yes, I understand that teams do the same thing at times. At the end of the day it's a business. Simmons value is at an all-time low and DM is not in the business of trading for 55 cents on the dollar. This is a really interesting game of chicken right now between Simmons and Philly.

I think Philly would like Simmons to come back, regain some value, and then flip him for the caliber of package they are looking for in return. The problem is, Simmons is now exposed...His shooting has always been a big issue. Now it's as clear as day to the rest of the world that the kid can't shoot a lick.
If I'm Philly I'm trading him now and moving on. If they can score CJ I would do that deal. CJ is a Doc Rivers type of guy. His shooting and ball handling will work really well with Embiid. If they can get CJ and a piece or 2 I don't think that's a bad deal at all for Philly.

Simmons is a great defender. Excellent downhill player in transition. His shot is just a major, major problem. He's like a rich mans Josh Smith. Philly is looking at him like he's James Harden or Anthony Davis. HE IS NOT.

[jmr07019]

Who can afford to pay a third star what Ben is getting paid? Not many. If you are a clear top 2-3 team it makes the gamble a lot easier but if you’re Minni are you gonna send a bunch of assets and pay a ton of money for your third star when you can’t even make the playoffs currently?

My guess is Philly ends up with a bunch of mid to late round picks and no blue chip asset. Getting CJ would be a huge win for them. Kind of makes sense for Portland too who needs to reshuffle the deck and give Dame a reason to stick around. Not sure who else makes sense

[bucknersrevenge]

this^

but I'm half convinced Simmons has been mailing it in and not shooting on purpose. I tend to be a conspiracy nut but imho he's going to go to a new team and shoot 3-5 threes a game at 35% and 75% from the line and go right back to being the MVP candidate his talent suggests. I think the Sixers know this is a possibility which is why they're sticking to their guns and demanded a huge package. They don't want egg on their face and I don't blame them. Taking less, just to get him out of town, let's him win. He has always been too cool for school and seemingly petty. He mailed it in at LSU as well and just went through the motions because he resented being forced to play a year of college.

Bro, say less.

I'm totally in on him launching Cliff Robinson-style once he leaves for sure. In fact, I'm all in for him taking nothing but 3's in his first game back in Philly wherever he lands just to troll the fans.

get bent. I'll remind you when I'm proven right

I think you missed the part where I was completely agreeing with everything you said.

"say less"= totally agreed with you before you finished the statement.

[bucknersrevenge]

this^

but I'm half convinced Simmons has been mailing it in and not shooting on purpose. I tend to be a conspiracy nut but imho he's going to go to a new team and shoot 3-5 threes a game at 35% and 75% from the line and go right back to being the MVP candidate his talent suggests. I think the Sixers know this is a possibility which is why they're sticking to their guns and demanded a huge package. They don't want egg on their face and I don't blame them. Taking less, just to get him out of town, let's him win. He has always been too cool for school and seemingly petty. He mailed it in at LSU as well and just went through the motions because he resented being forced to play a year of college.

Bro, say less.

I'm totally in on him launching Cliff Robinson-style once he leaves for sure. In fact, I'm all in for him taking nothing but 3's in his first game back in Philly wherever he lands just to troll the fans.

You're mistaking the guy has hit a mental wall. He's not that great and never was, as a matter of fact, he's regressed and we don't have anything to trade for him.

I'm not overlooking Simmons' psychological issues here, nor am I suggesting that we try to get him. Simply applauding the glory of a scenario in which he sticks it to the 76er franchise by trolling the ever loving crap out of them. Becoming a willing and capable 3 point shooter and even going so far as to shoot nothing but 3's in a future game against Philly is the kind of spite and petty I'm living for.

[bisme37]

Chris Mannix: I was asking around a couple of teams, just for their opinion on the trade value of Kyrie Irving: it’s virtually zero. I mean, he makes $35 million this year, and he’s as unpredictable as you get. – via Spotify

YES! It's finally our time to swoop in and get Kyrie for virtually nothing.

[Celts17Pride]

Chris Mannix: I was asking around a couple of teams, just for their opinion on the trade value of Kyrie Irving: it’s virtually zero. I mean, he makes $35 million this year, and he’s as unpredictable as you get. – via Spotify

YES! It's finally our time to swoop in and get Kyrie for virtually nothing.

Sounds like a perfect trade, Irving for Simmons.

[bisme37]

Chris Mannix: I was asking around a couple of teams, just for their opinion on the trade value of Kyrie Irving: it’s virtually zero. I mean, he makes $35 million this year, and he’s as unpredictable as you get. – via Spotify

YES! It's finally our time to swoop in and get Kyrie for virtually nothing.

Sounds like a perfect trade, Irving for Simmons.

It makes sense for both teams on paper but KD would riot if the Nets trade Ky. And I'm not really trying to see both the Nets and Sixers improve their team.

[zoyathedestroya]

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I remember a bunch of you hating this strategy employed by Stevens the past two seasons.

[Celts17Pride]

YES! It's finally our time to swoop in and get Kyrie for virtually nothing.

Sounds like a perfect trade, Irving for Simmons.

It makes sense for both teams on paper but KD would riot if the Nets trade Ky. And I'm not really trying to see both the Nets and Sixers improve their team.

Don't worry, it would never happen.

[Celts17Pride]

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I remember a bunch of you hating this strategy employed by Stevens the past two seasons.

A lot better than having one of Romeo or Grant on the floor at all times

[sully00]

Who can afford to pay a third star what Ben is getting paid? Not many. If you are a clear top 2-3 team it makes the gamble a lot easier but if you’re Minni are you gonna send a bunch of assets and pay a ton of money for your third star when you can’t even make the playoffs currently?

My guess is Philly ends up with a bunch of mid to late round picks and no blue chip asset. Getting CJ would be a huge win for them. Kind of makes sense for Portland too who needs to reshuffle the deck and give Dame a reason to stick around. Not sure who else makes sense

The Lakers obviously and the Warriors.

But putting that aside the Simmons camp's real issue is that the Sixers have no motivation to try and do something. They can just treat Simmons like he is a tragic injury instead of his knee it is his brain. Think of Boston's situation when Hayward went down they weren't frantically trying to trade Hayward because he had no value you just pull up your pants and move on.

Clutch needs to pull it together and find a buyer. Who is that team that wants to mortgage their future on Simmons. Once you have the buyer with the assets then you can figure it out. But right now there is no buyer and the one that seemed to be the most motivated just got fired in MINN. Who the hell wants to invest $150,000,000 in Ben Simmons right now? If you could have him for free I am not sure teams would even want the salary commitment.

If PHI gets off to a good start it is going to be a long winter for Simmons. Ask Andre Drummond how fast the fall from Max Salary guy to Min Salary guy is.

[Hal14]

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I remember a bunch of you hating this strategy employed by Stevens the past two seasons.

It's a good strategy. keep a stud 25 PPG scorer on the court at all times. If we did the opposite (rest them at the same to increase the number of mins they play together), then we would become a less consistent team.

[Feed Your Head]

Hopefully the offense won’t fall off a cliff when Tatum sits this year. Offensive rating dropped 8.9 points when he sat, to a very 2001-02 105.9.

Jaylen has to make the jump to where he can carry meh lineups for 14-15 minutes a night. If he’s to become a legit top 20-25 guy, that has to be the next step. I think Ime and the staff will put him in position to do exactly that.