Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 3 (Omicron & Delta Variants)

[truth18]

Just want to give a big shout out to the NBA players fighting against this madness. Jonathan Issac, Bradley Beal, etc. They are on the right side of history. Kudos gentlemen.

You know who is on the wrong side of history again?

You and this forum.

And Beal, Kyrie, etc.

[Bad-Thoma]

Just want to give a big shout out to the NBA players fighting against this madness. Jonathan Issac, Bradley Beal, etc. They are on the right side of history. Kudos gentlemen.

You know who is on the wrong side of history again?

You and this forum.

And Beal, Kyrie, etc.

He's on the wrong side of history but most of this forum has been arguing with a few like him, it's not accurate to lump us all in with him.

[truth18]

Just want to give a big shout out to the NBA players fighting against this madness. Jonathan Issac, Bradley Beal, etc. They are on the right side of history. Kudos gentlemen.

You know who is on the wrong side of history again?

You and this forum.

And Beal, Kyrie, etc.

He's on the wrong side of history but most of this forum has been arguing with a few like him, it's not accurate to lump us all in with him.

I'm talking about the racial issues here. That's what I meant by again.

And to be frank: the mods here have not done their job properly. This kind of disgusting anti-empirical rhetoric can kill people. It's irresponsible what the mods of this forum have allowed to transpire in this thread. DDB should be banned.

Otherwise I feel you.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Just want to give a big shout out to the NBA players fighting against this madness. Jonathan Issac, Bradley Beal, etc. They are on the right side of history. Kudos gentlemen.

I’m usually pretty cautious about congratulating myself for being on the right side of history. Unless it’s fighting Hitler or the South…..

It’s not great that “public health” communicates badly and that some of the directives people “obey” are inconsistent or excessive..I don’t love mandates, even private sector ones, even though they’re more than legal.

You know I guess it’s great that you’re brave enough to risk death and put other people at risk of death to defend your inalienable right to not put a piece of fabric over your face (sharia law returns!!). People actually fight and die (or are drafted and forced to fight and die, talk about a mandate!) to defend “our freedom”. Actually it’s interesting you bring that up because more Americans have died of Covid than died in 9/11, WW2, Vietnam, the Iraq wars and Afghanistan combined. You’re a hero.

Anyway more votes for Kamala in 2024 I guess

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[coach mang]

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mang don't care wut side of the football u on

or if you inject or reject

u must wespekk the vital spirit on display

U MUS WESPEKK

[Andrew McCeltic]

For everyone’s research:

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/574284-natural-covid-19-immunity-is-powerful-but-kind-of-irrelevant

[Andrew McCeltic]

Really embarrassed mang found a picture of me

[GWVan]

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Very well spoken. There can be reasonable objections to a vaccine mandate but we as a society have gotten into a mob mentality and shout down the reasonable sceptics. Which can actually increase the hesitancy.

I caught the delta variant from a vaccinated asymptomatic carrier. Other people at the same event that were vaccinated got it and had a much worse case than I did, unvaccinated people who had covid over a year ago did not catch it. This led me to do some research and decide that I most likely had better protection right now than the vaccine could give me. It's just not that cut and dried in my mind.

Of course I'm on a federal contract and unlikely to give up that money if they force me to get vaccinated. If that doesn't happen I have a cruise booked next year that I will get vaccinated if required.

But I don't believe that we should be shaming or requiring people to get vaccinated.

[Fencer reregistered]

Why is the following wrong?

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My answer:

Replace "rare chance of an adverse reaction" by "extremely rare chance of an adverse reaction", and the argument falls apart.

[Andrew McCeltic]

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Very well spoken. There can be reasonable objections to a vaccine mandate but we as a society have gotten into a mob mentality and shout down the reasonable sceptics. Which can actually increase the hesitancy.

I caught the delta variant from a vaccinated asymptomatic carrier. Other people at the same event that were vaccinated got it and had a much worse case than I did, unvaccinated people who had covid over a year ago did not catch it. This led me to do some research and decide that I most likely had better protection right now than the vaccine could give me. It's just not that cut and dried in my mind.

Of course I'm on a federal contract and unlikely to give up that money if they force me to get vaccinated. If that doesn't happen I have a cruise booked next year that I will get vaccinated if required.

But I don't believe that we should be shaming or requiring people to get vaccinated.

You don’t think the vaccine would increase your protection? Hill link above says 36 percent of people who had Covid have zero antibodies, btw.

Isaac’s argument is wrong for the reason Fencer gives, I think. But when you respect someone, give them their say, and let them lay out their reasoning you can identify an error - it becomes possible Isaac might get a minor correction and say “oh, you’re right” - or stick to his position but you get someone following at home off the fence..

[Andrew McCeltic]

Isaac is probably more “scared” of/concerned about vaccine side effects than of getting Covid again, or a serious case of it. He’s apparently also not worried that the second time could be long Covid.

What I don’t know - I have a guess, but Rob might tell us - is how likely you are to transmit the virus to others whether you’ve never had it, have natural immunity, the vaccine or both.

[coach mang]

can one of the bright boys on this website run this one thru their deepfake algo? this one gotta be a faker for real. this bubs on the podium saying 78% of the [REDACTED] patients in victoria hospital yesterday is [REDACTED] and 17% is partially [REDACTED]. dat dont make no sense cuzzz. mang no want no twouble. mang ruv er'body

this one obviously a faker folks... right?

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[Bad-Thoma]

You know who is on the wrong side of history again?

You and this forum.

And Beal, Kyrie, etc.

He's on the wrong side of history but most of this forum has been arguing with a few like him, it's not accurate to lump us all in with him.

I'm talking about the racial issues here. That's what I meant by again.

And to be frank: the mods here have not done their job properly. This kind of disgusting anti-empirical rhetoric can kill people. It's irresponsible what the mods of this forum have allowed to transpire in this thread. DDB should be banned.

Otherwise I feel you.

Gotcha, though I have some sympathy for the mods as I don't think I'd be good at it.

[exculpatory]

Isaac is probably more “scared” of/concerned about vaccine side effects than of getting Covid again, or a serious case of it. He’s apparently also not worried that the second time could result in long Covid.

What I don’t know - I have a guess, but Rob might tell us - is how likely you are to transmit the virus to others whether you’ve never had it, have natural immunity, the vaccine or both.

1. I have provided an immense amount of top of the line/primo & meticulously referenced information - and still our subgroup of willfully ignorant morons do not get it. Fed up. Done.

2. This “do your research” stuff by **** NON-MEDICAL people is **** absurd. Sure, based on “my mild case last year which ‘surely’ gave me great natural immunity” & “my aunt ‘may’ have caught it from someone who was already vaccinated” & “my best friend’s cousin heard the vaccines are lethal on Fox News”, I have concluded (in my indescribably vast ignorance), not to get vaccinated. **** preposterous.

3. For the last **** time (& I am NOT going to yet again repost the best peer reviewed Covid science on the planet):

A. The risk benefit analysis MEGA-MASSIVELY favors vaccination.
B. Previously infected people UNQUESTIONABLY BENEFIT from vaccination & the CDC recommends this.
C. Likelihood of transmission - unvaccinated morons >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>previously infected>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>vaccinated.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Just say C. next time

[Curmudgeon]

The Lakers are 100% vaccinated.

[BostonCouchGM]

people should absolutely trust the government. They've never lied to you, aren't power hungry unhinged sociopaths and don't have agendas...oh wait. My whole family is vaccinated but I can't fault anyone for not getting the jab. That said, I've got a buddy who has gone completely off the reservation and believes this is population control and those kinds of conspiracy theories aren't helping get more vaccinated.

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