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Post#421 » by zoyathedestroya » Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:29 am

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Post#422 » by TheMartian » Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:41 am

This is what you'd like to see from your players - acknowledging that they sucked last season and working hard to improve on their flaws.
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Post#423 » by Theocy » Mon Oct 24, 2022 9:55 am

TheMartian wrote:This is what you'd like to see from your players - acknowledging that they sucked last season and working hard to improve on their flaws.



He didnt suck though. He was average on that front. He needs to play with that 3rd banana mentality. He isnt the Js but he needs to contribute more on the scoring.
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Post#424 » by cl2117 » Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:07 am

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TheMartian wrote:This is what you'd like to see from your players - acknowledging that they sucked last season and working hard to improve on their flaws.



He didnt suck though. He was average on that front. He needs to play with that 3rd banana mentality. He isnt the Js but he needs to contribute more on the scoring.

I put him in the Smart category offensively. Both guys are crafty and can score in the paint/pass the ball but are questionable shooters. They can't be afraid to shoot like Ben Simmons and allow teams to sag off and clog the lane but at the same time if you're cold on a given night then just keep the ball moving. If you're hot then fire away, otherwise take pride in that facilitator role and get our other scorers good looks.

The biggest thing I thought he brought to the team last year was the ball-movement. It never stuck in his hands, he always kept it moving and the offense flowing. It was the opposite of what we had with Schroder and having guys around the Jays who weren't ball stoppers opened up so much for us.

The team now has plenty of guys who can shoot the lights out on a given night so that doesn't need to be White's role. Just keep the pace up and the ball moving and we're gonna be sorted.
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Post#425 » by zoyathedestroya » Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:42 am

A full offseason to learn the system + working on individual game/shooting + team's commitment to ball movement + newfound aggressiveness/confidence = significantly better and more impactful player. I don't think what we saw against Orlando was a fluke. That's the DWhite Stevens knew could be given the right set of circumstances.
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Post#426 » by Celts17Pride » Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:35 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:A full offseason to learn the system + working on individual game/shooting + team's commitment to ball movement + newfound aggressiveness/confidence = significantly better and more impactful player. I don't think what we saw against Orlando was a fluke. That's the DWhite Stevens knew could be given the right set of circumstances.

Tatum and Brown draw so much attention from defenses if Derrick White can continue to knock down shots at a 45/38/80 clip then he will be a star in his role. Right now D White is at a 52/50/75 clip. Nobody expects him to shoot 50% from three point range.
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Post#427 » by jmr07019 » Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:55 pm

Derrick is so far making a lot of people (including me) look dumb for doubting him.

Instead of looking at just Whites numbers I look at our trio of guards (White, Smart, Brog) and think we need a baseline of points and shooting % out of them. I’m not sure what the exact benchmarks would be probably something like league average from 3 and 30 ppg from them and we will be in pretty good shape.
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Re: Welcome Derrick White 

Post#428 » by Scarletfire81 » Thu Oct 27, 2022 9:36 pm

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Scarletfire81 wrote:I never thought Derrick White would have game like he did last night. Dude is already surpassing my expectations, fits this team like a glove. Well worth what we gave up and then some.


nothing but a championship will be worth what we gave up imo but he's fitting his role perfectly and softening the blow for sure. His shot looks revamped to me. Kudos to him for working on it.




Well if we have a better record when the Spurs can pick swap then we really didn’t give up much. I think this team has at least a 5-6 year window if we can keep Tatum & Brown.
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Post#429 » by Memokerobi » Thu Nov 17, 2022 5:52 am

Derrick White appreciation post. What an add he has been. He’s looking great, its crazy we have 3 starter level PGs and a legit backup/role player in Pritchard
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Post#430 » by sam_I_am » Thu Nov 17, 2022 7:07 am

Memokerobi wrote:Derrick White appreciation post. What an add he has been. He’s looking great, its crazy we have 3 starter level PGs and a legit backup/role player in Pritchard


There were so many posts wondering why we had to include a pick with JR to get him……record setting offensive efficiency is why.
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Post#431 » by 31to6 » Thu Nov 17, 2022 11:12 am

"but the pick swap"
but her emails

Derrick is so good I haven't thought about Josh Richardson in seven years
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Post#432 » by zoyathedestroya » Thu Nov 17, 2022 2:03 pm

DWhite getting RGM-traded for a backup big since he got here. Meanwhile, preseason contenders like GSW, DEN, PHI, and MIL would die to have this guy quarterback their bench. The backup bigs for those teams? An inept, immature Wiseman, the corpse of DeAndre Jordan, 4 ppg-2 rpg Harrell, and Serge Ibaka (if you consider Portis their 3rd big, then I'd still take Grant over him).
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Post#433 » by Hal14 » Thu Nov 17, 2022 2:45 pm

Memokerobi wrote:Derrick White appreciation post. What an add he has been. He’s looking great, its crazy we have 3 starter level PGs and a legit backup/role player in Pritchard

In less than 2 years, we went from kemba/pritchard/teague/carsen edwards to Smart/brogdon/white/pritchard :)
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Post#434 » by celtxman » Thu Nov 17, 2022 3:40 pm

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Memokerobi wrote:Derrick White appreciation post. What an add he has been. He’s looking great, its crazy we have 3 starter level PGs and a legit backup/role player in Pritchard


There were so many posts wondering why we had to include a pick with JR to get him……record setting offensive efficiency is why.

I've debated people on both sides of this being a good trade. To simplify : 21/22 D White - a questionable trade at best. They took on more salary for longer term and he couldn't shoot. Richardson was a good fit and he was cheaper. The team was turning around before he left.

22/23 D White if he plays like he is -no better/no worse - a great trade for the Celtics. He can get somewhat worse at 3 pt % . I said last season he had to regain his San Antonio talent and he has and maybe more.
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Post#435 » by sam_I_am » Thu Nov 17, 2022 4:09 pm

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Memokerobi wrote:Derrick White appreciation post. What an add he has been. He’s looking great, its crazy we have 3 starter level PGs and a legit backup/role player in Pritchard


There were so many posts wondering why we had to include a pick with JR to get him……record setting offensive efficiency is why.

I've debated people on both sides of this being a good trade. To simplify : 21/22 D White - a questionable trade at best. They took on more salary for longer term and he couldn't shoot. Richardson was a good fit and he was cheaper. The team was turning around before he left.

22/23 D White if he plays like he is -no better/no worse - a great trade for the Celtics. He can get somewhat worse at 3 pt % . I said last season he had to regain his San Antonio talent and he has and maybe more.


Just think back to how the offense looked with JR trying to play point and consider that White is on team friendly contract for 2 more years. Last night, White was so good I briefly thought we might be better if he was our starter…..before I remembered Smart just had his career best quarter in 4th of last game.

While White struggled mightily last year, he still was a catalyst for the massive turn around that occurred even though the team had already started playing better before the trade. I always beleived that a cerebral glue guy like him would be much better after a full training camp and more time practicing with new teammates ……and he is proving that to be true.

If you look at trade from San Antonio perspective, JR has not been nearly as good for them as White was.
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Post#436 » by 31to6 » Thu Nov 17, 2022 4:24 pm

White was a defensive all-star last season too, but some people just look at 3pt fg%. Look at the body, look at the defense, look at how he plays his role on offense -- he helped supercharge us last year and is doing the same this year -- whether he scores 9ppg (current average) or 15 (his career high average in SA two years ago) I care not at all.
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Post#437 » by Hal14 » Thu Nov 17, 2022 5:45 pm

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Memokerobi wrote:Derrick White appreciation post. What an add he has been. He’s looking great, its crazy we have 3 starter level PGs and a legit backup/role player in Pritchard


There were so many posts wondering why we had to include a pick with JR to get him……record setting offensive efficiency is why.

I've debated people on both sides of this being a good trade. To simplify : 21/22 D White - a questionable trade at best. They took on more salary for longer term and he couldn't shoot. Richardson was a good fit and he was cheaper. The team was turning around before he left.

22/23 D White if he plays like he is -no better/no worse - a great trade for the Celtics. He can get somewhat worse at 3 pt % . I said last season he had to regain his San Antonio talent and he has and maybe more.

You do realize that we got to the NBA finals in 21/22, right? How can it be a "questionable trade at best" when we went from a team that was picked to finish 13th in the league preseason, with 19th highest payroll - and were the 7 seed in the east prior to the trade deadline to then acquire white and shoot up to 2 seed in the east and a trip to the NBA finals?

The white trade (which was done in tandem with the theis trade...which got rid of freedom and schroder who were bad fit here..white a better fit than j-rich because white is MUCH quicker at moving the ball and also a better defender).

As a result of getting white and improving the ball movement, we went from near bottom of the league in assists to near the top of the league. Our offensive and defensive ratings improved after the deadline too.

We were the 7 seed prior to the trade deadline. After the deadline, we shot up to the 2 seed, where we finished the season - getting a better seeding was huge for us to make it to the NBA finals.

Yes, we started turning it around before the trade deadline but most of those wins were against teams who were either really bad or were injury-depleted. We clearly kicked it into another gear after the deadline moves.

Plus, j-rich only had 1 more year left on his contract - white had 3 more - that matters. Also, the white and theis trades were done in tandem, basically like 1 big trade - acquiring Theis not only helped us get to the NBA finals since he did a good job filling in for rob at end of reg season and in playoffs but by acquiring theis we were able to then flip him for Brogdon.. you gotta take all this stuff into account - Brad looks at the big picture - and he thinks 2, 3 moves ahead, rather than having tunnel vision and only looking at that 1 deal in a vacuum.
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Re: Welcome Derrick White 

Post#438 » by Memokerobi » Thu Nov 17, 2022 9:51 pm

Hal14 wrote:
Memokerobi wrote:Derrick White appreciation post. What an add he has been. He’s looking great, its crazy we have 3 starter level PGs and a legit backup/role player in Pritchard

In less than 2 years, we went from kemba/pritchard/teague/carsen edwards to Smart/brogdon/white/pritchard :)


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Post#439 » by Floody100 » Sat Nov 19, 2022 3:54 am

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BostonCouchGM wrote:Our 8th best player cost us Josh Richardson, Romeo Langford, a 1st round pick and a potential future 1st round swap (potentially devastating since Horford and Brown may both be long gone and Smart 30 y/o) crazy how bad this trade is. Legit one of the worst in our franchise’s history. ONLY a championship with him as a major reason for winning would make this palatable. We’re going to feel the ramifications of this for a decade


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Post#440 » by celtxman » Sat Nov 19, 2022 4:21 am

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sam_I_am wrote:
There were so many posts wondering why we had to include a pick with JR to get him……record setting offensive efficiency is why.

I've debated people on both sides of this being a good trade. To simplify : 21/22 D White - a questionable trade at best. They took on more salary for longer term and he couldn't shoot. Richardson was a good fit and he was cheaper. The team was turning around before he left.

22/23 D White if he plays like he is -no better/no worse - a great trade for the Celtics. He can get somewhat worse at 3 pt % . I said last season he had to regain his San Antonio talent and he has and maybe more.


Just think back to how the offense looked with JR trying to play point and consider that White is on team friendly contract for 2 more years. Last night, White was so good I briefly thought we might be better if he was our starter…..before I remembered Smart just had his career best quarter in 4th of last game.

While White struggled mightily last year, he still was a catalyst for the massive turn around that occurred even though the team had already started playing better before the trade. I always beleived that a cerebral glue guy like him would be much better after a full training camp and more time practicing with new teammates ……and he is proving that to be true.

If you look at trade from San Antonio perspective, JR has not been nearly as good for them as White was.
He worked on his struggles over the summer with a higher release point and more confidence. He is definitely a player that provides important intangibles even when he isn't shooting well. But he needed the shooting and consistent finishing and distributing to make this a homerun. He has been doing it
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