Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 5, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30)

[BK_2020]

Does Dallas want Grant that bad? I like it for Cs and Minny. If I am Dallas that’s not worth a first unless it’s at least lotto protected.

A sign and trade for a 8th/9th man first of all rarely ever happens (except as a salary match) and definitely not worth a lotto protected first.
Minnesota has no reason to shed players. They don't control their own picks. They also made the playoffs with Towns playing just 25 games. They are not going to take a step back just to help the Celtics and the Jazz.

They're not taking a step back. Getting a 1st round pick for a role player who only has 1 year left on his deal and can't even average double figure scoring is good value

Offseason is just getting started. They could always make other moves to improve the team in other areas. Good chance that they're looking to move Anderson after him and Gobert got in a fight (if 1 of them has to go, it's obviously not gonna be Gobert)

They can make room by renouncing Prince who is worse than SloMo. They can open up a lot of room by renouncing Conley. I don't think they are desperate to give away one of their two competent wings.
But it's a moot point since your trade doesn't work unless Grant Williams signs a massive deal.

[darrendaye]

I just saw the full accounting of the second round pics we turned #25 into.
Dallas 2024
Best of Detroit, Golden State and Washington 2025
Best of Minny,New Orleans, New York, Portland 2026
Atlanta 2027
Tweet From Forsberg.

So turned 25 into Walsh and those 4 picks. At the time May have said WTF Brad. But I like it.


Also really like his 2nd round picks the last 2 seasons. Davison and Walsh. Both top 20 in their class coming out of HS. Played one year of College with a major but not staring role. Both have potentially elite skills that need some honing.

I particularly loved the "best of" pick acquisitions.

[Celtics_Champs]

Read on Twitter

Which poster is this, whose hand do I have to shake? Bravo.

Perk drives me up a wall.

[JaMarco]

I still think our best bet would be buying low on Trae Young. SEnd Brown to Atlanta, hes from their making him more likely to resign, potentially swapping collins and brogdon or however ATL would want, add some picks to balance as needed.

Youngs coming off a down year but I think he would thrive with tatum and porzingis , we'd get a distributer and I feel traes efficiency would go up with the better supporting cast. Our defense may take a hit but Browns D is vastly overrated anyways

Trae for Brown and we add pieces as needed

Trae for brown is certainly intriguing.

Trae dramatically improves our playmaking.

And trae, tatum, kp form a nasty trio.


Brown and brogdon
For
Trae, okongwu and griffin

Save 4 million on deal

Sign and trade grant for suggs

Vet min on griffin
Maybe tpmle on vet pg/sg for depth

Trae/pritchard/davidson
White/suggs/walsh
Tatum/griffin/hauser
Kristaps/horford/griffin
Timelord/okongwu/kornet

Trae for JB makes too much sense for everyone.

[GoCeltics123]

If Brad Stevens splits the $5.0 MLE then I could very easily see Javonte Green back in a Celtics uniform.

Trade PP for a 3/4
Sign Pat Bev for MLE

Ready to rock.

Pat Bev and Porzingis on the Cs would bring satanic vibes but man it would be funny lol

[hugepatsfan]

Cap nerd note on Kornet. Most vet minimums always count on the cap at the 2nd year player minimum salary even though they’re paid more. This is so teams aren’t incentivized to skip out on older guys.

However, I learned last year that if you add a second year that goes away. So because Kornet had a second year, he counted at his actually salary. And will do so this year. He makes $2.4M vs the second year minimum salary of I believe $1.8M. His deal is not guaranteed though. I expect we’ll end up waiving him and re-signing him to a 1 year deal for the same amount, but the mechanics will be that the deal counts about $600K less on the cap.

[Froob]

No offense to anyone but, I feel like we are beginning to call every tall-ish SF/PF a possible Aaron Gordon now.

[darrendaye]

No offense to anyone but, I feel like we are beginning to call every tall-ish SF/PF a possible Aaron Gordon now.

This generation's Josh Smith.

[darrendaye]

Anyone have a straight PP for SF/SG trade idea?

[Curmudgeon]

I want Murray, not Trae.
And once again I'll settle for Bogdan and Okongwu. Bogdan is a really good player-- better than Brown although much less athletic. Knows how to play, shoots lights out. Experienced.

[Froob]

If Brad Stevens splits the $5.0 MLE then I could very easily see Javonte Green back in a Celtics uniform.

Trade PP for a 3/4
Sign Pat Bev for MLE

Ready to rock.

Pat Bev and Porzingis on the Cs would bring satanic vibes but man it would be funny lol

Is Pat Bev really MLE worthy?

[Celts17Pride]

Trade PP for a 3/4
Sign Pat Bev for MLE

Ready to rock.

Pat Bev and Porzingis on the Cs would bring satanic vibes but man it would be funny lol

Is Pat Bev really MLE worthy?

Celtics MLE is $5.0 million

[CelticsPride18]

I prefer J-Rich over Pat Bev

[celticfan42487]

Anyone have a straight PP for SF/SG trade idea?

No but the SF I hope we get in free agency is 35 year old Joe Ingles.

Not sure we can steal him from MIL but he looks to be back in form.

Elite 3 point shooting, and secondary playmaking.

We need to get playmaking into this lineup somewhere to help Tatum out, and if we're keeping Brown then let's get a big SF who can do it and we'll just slide Tatum down to PF when we need to score against the Zone and such.

It's still a rotation VERY lacking in playmaking since Brown and KP do zero playmaking but...

Brogdon or White
Brown
Ingles
Tatum
KP

That should allow us to break down any Heat zone we face or a MIL Giannis + Lopez team that locks down all drives.


Passing it around in a circle doesn't matter if you don't have player's you're passing too that can create or you only have one and the defense can just shade Tatum making life miserable for him. That team would have creators and 5 out 3 point shooting.

Again Ingles is 35 and I'm not sure he'd leave MIL for us for the 5 million MLE. But he's about the best we can do to get playmaking in the rotation and a different look.

[Half-Full]

Trae for brown is certainly intriguing.

Trae dramatically improves our playmaking.

And trae, tatum, kp form a nasty trio.


Brown and brogdon
For
Trae, okongwu and griffin

Save 4 million on deal

Sign and trade grant for suggs

Vet min on griffin
Maybe tpmle on vet pg/sg for depth

Trae/pritchard/davidson
White/suggs/walsh
Tatum/griffin/hauser
Kristaps/horford/griffin
Timelord/okongwu/kornet

Trae for JB makes too much sense for everyone.

All those laughing emojis are pretty insulting. Can't you find a nicer way to say you disagree?

[Celts17Pride]

Most likely G Williams scenario in my opinion.

I think there is a good chance the Celtics sign and trade G Williams with Dallas. Dallas takes G Williams into their new Bertans TPE ($17 million) and gives the Celtics 1 or 2 2nd round picks for their troubles. I believe this would leave the Mavs with their MLE to go get another player.

Celtics can then use part of the TPE and draft capital to go get other players, probably also means a Brogdon trade.

Going to be a very busy time for Brad Stevens over the next few weeks.

[celticfan42487]

I’m one who would like JB traded for the right deal but to me the right deal is only limited to star player who’s a better fit. Such as Dame, maybe Bridges or unrealistic ones like Luka etc. I’m seeing a lot here who would be happy to give him up for two ok to decent players. I think that would be a mistake. I’d much rather JB than a lot of players, but for the love of god JB, accept your limitations and play to your strengths!!

I honestly think JB would accept his limitations if we allowed him too.

He never calls for the ball when Tatum is doing the playmaking.

And he never had issues with any of the PGs doing it when they were good at it like Kemba, IT or hell even when they were **** at it but were good at scoring aka Irving.

Add another guy who is good as Tatum at playmaking and JB will be more than happy to let them handle the rock so he doesn't have to live his worst nightmare over and over again like he had to in Game 7 and can just do what he likes to do... be used correctly and score in massive ways while playing surprisingly great defense against PGs-PFs (even though I know posters here get angry at him about his D).

[darrendaye]

I prefer J-Rich over Pat Bev

I'm going more under the radar with Aaron Holiday.

[snowman]

Taking in consideration that with any sign and trade for Grant Williams will have a few major concerns / effects on us.

1st) Correct me if I'm wrong, but since Grant is a restricted FA, his contract would be considered a poison pill type contract. This means that if Grant were to sign an offer sheet, let's say with team X, for 15 million a year, the most we could take back is 50% or 7.5 million or less in salary.
2nd) The above, again if correct, works for us because we can work with 7.5 million within our cap much better than 15 million. What I mean is, that we may be able to stay under the 2nd apron with 7.5 million or less, or at least work around it. With taking back 15 million in salary, no way we could do it, because it would defiantly put us over the 2nd apron.

So, with that being said, what do you think about a sign and trade to Orlando. Grant signing for something 12 million or more, and sending us Cole Anthony, who will make 5,539,771 this season. 5,539,771 x 2 = 11,079,542.00. So, Grant could sign an offer sheet for anything above 11,100,00.00 and we take back Cole Anthony and his 5,530,771 contract in trade. Cole has a qualifying offer in 2025 of 7,744,600.00 that we can deal with then. Cole would be our additional point guard with NBA experience, good shooter, and great at driving the rim, and kicking out. In looking at Orlando's trade board, many there want to sign Grant out right because they need a forward but are afraid that he would take up too much cap space. They also want one of their PG's moved and seem to want to keep Fultz and Suggs. Doing a S&T, from Orlando's point of view, saves them 5.5 million of cap space off of whatever figure they sign Grant for.

Could this work, and would you want it to?

[darrendaye]

Most likely G Williams scenario in my opinion.

I think there is a good chance the Celtics sign and trade G Williams with Dallas. Dallas takes G Williams into their new Bertans TPE ($17 million) and gives the Celtics 1 or 2 2nd round picks for their troubles. I believe this would leave the Mavs with their MLE to go get another player.

Celtics can then use part of the TPE to get other players, probably also means a Brogdon trade.

Going to be a very busy time for Brad Stevens over the next few weeks.

I'd prefer Grant to Indy for Isaiah Jackson. Two more years on rookie deal. Creates a TPE just 2mm less than a straight into cap space or TPE + pick trade. Gives you a Rob-lite to cover for injury and load management in 2023 and 2024 cover if they end up dealing Timelord next offseason.