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Post#421 » by Fierce1 » Fri Dec 19, 2025 2:45 am

He_Got_Game wrote:I'm watching the Clippers vs. Thunder and cannot see what you guys are seeing with Zubac. He got blocked at the rim twice in a row and the second time he got stuffed by a guard at the rim. He is not much better than Queta if at all.

The scoring from Zubac is just a bonus.
What he brings to the table is rebounding, a big body that can bang with the likes of Jokic, and some rim protection.

Zubac's contract is also team friendly, so yeah, he's not Anthony Davis, but he's still better than Queta.

Queta's getting better every game, but he lacks bulk.
Sometimes Queta gets pushed around by bigger and stronger bigs in the paint.

But I still think Zubac is not available.
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Post#422 » by He_Got_Game » Fri Dec 19, 2025 3:42 am

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He_Got_Game wrote:I'm watching the Clippers vs. Thunder and cannot see what you guys are seeing with Zubac. He got blocked at the rim twice in a row and the second time he got stuffed by a guard at the rim. He is not much better than Queta if at all.

The scoring from Zubac is just a bonus.
What he brings to the table is rebounding, a big body that can bang with the likes of Jokic, and some rim protection.

Zubac's contract is also team friendly, so yeah, he's not Anthony Davis, but he's still better than Queta.

Queta's getting better every game, but he lacks bulk.
Sometimes Queta gets pushed around by bigger and stronger bigs in the paint.

But I still think Zubac is not available.


I hear you but there's only one Jokic. The golden standard is OKC so shouldn't we be trying to find someone agile enough to stick with Holmgren? Or someone who can keep Karl Anthony Towns in check? I don't see why we need another big body like Zubac who is slow as molasses. Sure he rebounds and scores sometimes but the biggest threats to the Celtics are the Thunder and Knicks.
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Post#423 » by playa-hater » Fri Dec 19, 2025 4:17 am

He_Got_Game wrote:I'm watching the Clippers vs. Thunder and cannot see what you guys are seeing with Zubac. He got blocked at the rim twice in a row and the second time he got stuffed by a guard at the rim. He is not much better than Queta if at all.


Giving up two first round picks would be criminal in my opinion.
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Post#424 » by Fierce1 » Fri Dec 19, 2025 5:05 am

He_Got_Game wrote:
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He_Got_Game wrote:I'm watching the Clippers vs. Thunder and cannot see what you guys are seeing with Zubac. He got blocked at the rim twice in a row and the second time he got stuffed by a guard at the rim. He is not much better than Queta if at all.

The scoring from Zubac is just a bonus.
What he brings to the table is rebounding, a big body that can bang with the likes of Jokic, and some rim protection.

Zubac's contract is also team friendly, so yeah, he's not Anthony Davis, but he's still better than Queta.

Queta's getting better every game, but he lacks bulk.
Sometimes Queta gets pushed around by bigger and stronger bigs in the paint.

But I still think Zubac is not available.


I hear you but there's only one Jokic. The golden standard is OKC so shouldn't we be trying to find someone agile enough to stick with Holmgren? Or someone who can keep Karl Anthony Towns in check? I don't see why we need another big body like Zubac who is slow as molasses. Sure he rebounds and scores sometimes but the biggest threats to the Celtics are the Thunder and Knicks.

Yeah, if it's OKC and NY then a guy like Claxton would be better.

I'm not totally sold on Zubac because like what you said, there are similarities between him and Queta.

And I also don't want to give up 2 1st round picks for Zubac.
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Post#425 » by He_Got_Game » Fri Dec 19, 2025 5:29 am

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He_Got_Game wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:The scoring from Zubac is just a bonus.
What he brings to the table is rebounding, a big body that can bang with the likes of Jokic, and some rim protection.

Zubac's contract is also team friendly, so yeah, he's not Anthony Davis, but he's still better than Queta.

Queta's getting better every game, but he lacks bulk.
Sometimes Queta gets pushed around by bigger and stronger bigs in the paint.

But I still think Zubac is not available.


I hear you but there's only one Jokic. The golden standard is OKC so shouldn't we be trying to find someone agile enough to stick with Holmgren? Or someone who can keep Karl Anthony Towns in check? I don't see why we need another big body like Zubac who is slow as molasses. Sure he rebounds and scores sometimes but the biggest threats to the Celtics are the Thunder and Knicks.

Yeah, if it's OKC and NY then a guy like Claxton would be better.

I'm not totally sold on Zubac because like what you said, there are similarities between him and Queta.

And I also don't want to give up 2 1st round picks for Zubac.


I'm in agreement on Claxton. He's big and agile which is just what we would need for KAT. Or even a bargain bin version of that physical profile would be a guy like Jonathan Isaac.
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Post#426 » by He_Got_Game » Fri Dec 19, 2025 5:29 am

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He_Got_Game wrote:I'm watching the Clippers vs. Thunder and cannot see what you guys are seeing with Zubac. He got blocked at the rim twice in a row and the second time he got stuffed by a guard at the rim. He is not much better than Queta if at all.


Giving up two first round picks would be criminal in my opinion.


Definitely not worth trading for. He's not what we need IMO.
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Post#427 » by redslastlaugh » Fri Dec 19, 2025 6:15 am

Maxime Raynaud for the Kings tonight 29pts - 11reb ... dang, he's been looking good

Back at the draft, Celtics RealGM going into our picks (#28, #32) there were four guys we wanted to pick from: Rasheer Fleming, Ryan Kalkbrenner, Maxime Raynaud, Noah Penda ... with maybe a few Liam McNeeley or Kam Jones fans ... And we come up at #28 and everyone we wanted is available on the board, we take Hugo who I am pretty happy with but then trade down from #32 to draft Amari, Shulga and get the two 2nds to use to dump Niang's contract...

I think passing on Fleming for Hugo is looking smart... but trading down for 32... I would, with hindsight, probably have taken Raynaud ... A Queta/Raynaud center lineup would be pretty interesting... I know some other posters would have gone Kalkbrenner or Penda... But even though Celtics didn't draft him, Im still happy for Max Raynaud, a 29-11 is a nice night for a mid-second round picked rookie
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Post#428 » by playa-hater » Fri Dec 19, 2025 4:26 pm

redslastlaugh wrote:Maxime Raynaud for the Kings tonight 29pts - 11reb ... dang, he's been looking good

Back at the draft, Celtics RealGM going into our picks (#28, #32) there were four guys we wanted to pick from: Rasheer Fleming, Ryan Kalkbrenner, Maxime Raynaud, Noah Penda ... with maybe a few Liam McNeeley or Kam Jones fans ... And we come up at #28 and everyone we wanted is available on the board, we take Hugo who I am pretty happy with but then trade down from #32 to draft Amari, Shulga and get the two 2nds to use to dump Niang's contract...

I think passing on Fleming for Hugo is looking smart... but trading down for 32... I would, with hindsight, probably have taken Raynaud ... A Queta/Raynaud center lineup would be pretty interesting... I know some other posters would have gone Kalkbrenner or Penda... But even though Celtics didn't draft him, Im still happy for Max Raynaud, a 29-11 is a nice night for a mid-second round picked rookie


Yet another Big available to us at 32 that is showing promise already. And he is doing this without Joe's mandatory 2 years in the G-league. Instead we want to give up multiple firsts and players instead of attempting to develop young talents. Spending in both contract size and assets for a "veteran" who may only be marginally better would be like winning the battle but losing the War.
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Post#429 » by djFan71 » Fri Dec 19, 2025 6:33 pm

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redslastlaugh wrote:Maxime Raynaud for the Kings tonight 29pts - 11reb ... dang, he's been looking good

Back at the draft, Celtics RealGM going into our picks (#28, #32) there were four guys we wanted to pick from: Rasheer Fleming, Ryan Kalkbrenner, Maxime Raynaud, Noah Penda ... with maybe a few Liam McNeeley or Kam Jones fans ... And we come up at #28 and everyone we wanted is available on the board, we take Hugo who I am pretty happy with but then trade down from #32 to draft Amari, Shulga and get the two 2nds to use to dump Niang's contract...

I think passing on Fleming for Hugo is looking smart... but trading down for 32... I would, with hindsight, probably have taken Raynaud ... A Queta/Raynaud center lineup would be pretty interesting... I know some other posters would have gone Kalkbrenner or Penda... But even though Celtics didn't draft him, Im still happy for Max Raynaud, a 29-11 is a nice night for a mid-second round picked rookie


Yet another Big available to us at 32 that is showing promise already. And he is doing this without Joe's mandatory 2 years in the G-league. Instead we want to give up multiple firsts and players instead of attempting to develop young talents. Spending in both contract size and assets for a "veteran" who may only be marginally better would be like winning the battle but losing the War.

Our team makeup is basically what you want - develop late picks / cheap FAs.

Low Draft: Pritchard, Walsh, Hugo, Baylor
Bargain FA: Hauser, Queta, Minott

If you include high draft picks, you get our 2 best players: JB, JT
Trade is only: White (3rd best player), Simons (circumstances)

So, yeah, there's always gonna be guys we wish we'd drafted. And I agree we can develop more/faster sometimes (why I wanted Simons/Hauser gone this summer). But overall, the team is actually pretty good at development. Especially give we won a title 2 years ago and had the same rotation last year.
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Post#430 » by djFan71 » Fri Dec 19, 2025 11:10 pm

redslastlaugh wrote:Maxime Raynaud for the Kings tonight 29pts - 11reb ... dang, he's been looking good

Back at the draft, Celtics RealGM going into our picks (#28, #32) there were four guys we wanted to pick from: Rasheer Fleming, Ryan Kalkbrenner, Maxime Raynaud, Noah Penda ... with maybe a few Liam McNeeley or Kam Jones fans ... And we come up at #28 and everyone we wanted is available on the board, we take Hugo who I am pretty happy with but then trade down from #32 to draft Amari, Shulga and get the two 2nds to use to dump Niang's contract...

I think passing on Fleming for Hugo is looking smart... but trading down for 32... I would, with hindsight, probably have taken Raynaud ... A Queta/Raynaud center lineup would be pretty interesting... I know some other posters would have gone Kalkbrenner or Penda... But even though Celtics didn't draft him, Im still happy for Max Raynaud, a 29-11 is a nice night for a mid-second round picked rookie

Another thing to consider is that beyond Amari and Shulga, we have the best of MIL, DET and ORL's 2nd this year in a pretty good draft. Right now, that's pick 38. And who knows what happens with Giannis. So, we traded (known) 32 last year for 38ish this year plus Amari, Shulga and a 2027 2nd.
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Post#431 » by Fierce1 » Sat Dec 20, 2025 3:11 am

Cavs lost again.

What happened to that 64-win team last season?
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Post#432 » by brackdan70 » Sat Dec 20, 2025 3:30 am

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redslastlaugh wrote:Maxime Raynaud for the Kings tonight 29pts - 11reb ... dang, he's been looking good

Back at the draft, Celtics RealGM going into our picks (#28, #32) there were four guys we wanted to pick from: Rasheer Fleming, Ryan Kalkbrenner, Maxime Raynaud, Noah Penda ... with maybe a few Liam McNeeley or Kam Jones fans ... And we come up at #28 and everyone we wanted is available on the board, we take Hugo who I am pretty happy with but then trade down from #32 to draft Amari, Shulga and get the two 2nds to use to dump Niang's contract...

I think passing on Fleming for Hugo is looking smart... but trading down for 32... I would, with hindsight, probably have taken Raynaud ... A Queta/Raynaud center lineup would be pretty interesting... I know some other posters would have gone Kalkbrenner or Penda... But even though Celtics didn't draft him, Im still happy for Max Raynaud, a 29-11 is a nice night for a mid-second round picked rookie

Another thing to consider is that beyond Amari and Shulga, we have the best of MIL, DET and ORL's 2nd this year in a pretty good draft. Right now, that's pick 38. And who knows what happens with Giannis. So, we traded (known) 32 last year for 38ish this year plus Amari, Shulga and a 2027 2nd.

What is that 27 second? Or did we trade it away?
Jordan Walsh goes top 10 in a 2023 redraft.
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Post#433 » by brackdan70 » Sat Dec 20, 2025 3:32 am

Fierce1 wrote:Cavs lost again.

What happened to that 64-win team last season?

Yeah. Caris LaVert.
Seriously though they look cooked. Break it up.
Jordan Walsh goes top 10 in a 2023 redraft.
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Post#434 » by djFan71 » Sat Dec 20, 2025 3:35 am

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djFan71 wrote:
redslastlaugh wrote:Maxime Raynaud for the Kings tonight 29pts - 11reb ... dang, he's been looking good

Back at the draft, Celtics RealGM going into our picks (#28, #32) there were four guys we wanted to pick from: Rasheer Fleming, Ryan Kalkbrenner, Maxime Raynaud, Noah Penda ... with maybe a few Liam McNeeley or Kam Jones fans ... And we come up at #28 and everyone we wanted is available on the board, we take Hugo who I am pretty happy with but then trade down from #32 to draft Amari, Shulga and get the two 2nds to use to dump Niang's contract...

I think passing on Fleming for Hugo is looking smart... but trading down for 32... I would, with hindsight, probably have taken Raynaud ... A Queta/Raynaud center lineup would be pretty interesting... I know some other posters would have gone Kalkbrenner or Penda... But even though Celtics didn't draft him, Im still happy for Max Raynaud, a 29-11 is a nice night for a mid-second round picked rookie

Another thing to consider is that beyond Amari and Shulga, we have the best of MIL, DET and ORL's 2nd this year in a pretty good draft. Right now, that's pick 38. And who knows what happens with Giannis. So, we traded (known) 32 last year for 38ish this year plus Amari, Shulga and a 2027 2nd.

What is that 27 second? Or did we trade it away?

Austin stole it.
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Post#435 » by KamikazeK » Sat Dec 20, 2025 10:57 am

Sounds like the crooked WNBA is succeeding in screwing over Boston and all of New England by refusing to allow the Sun move to Boston in favor of Houston instead. That's enough for me, I will never support the WNBA, even if they give us a team in the 2030's. I'm never gonna forget or forgive this nonsense. It's a shame because I really wanted a Boston team to root for in the WNBA, but I have principles and this is BS. I hope that entire league goes down in flames. It's dead to me forever.
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Post#436 » by redslastlaugh » Sat Dec 20, 2025 12:46 pm

djFan71 wrote:
redslastlaugh wrote:Maxime Raynaud for the Kings tonight 29pts - 11reb ... dang, he's been looking good

I think passing on Fleming for Hugo is looking smart... but trading down for 32... I would, with hindsight, probably have taken Raynaud ... A Queta/Raynaud center lineup would be pretty interesting... I know some other posters would have gone Kalkbrenner or Penda... But even though Celtics didn't draft him, Im still happy for Max Raynaud, a 29-11 is a nice night for a mid-second round picked rookie

Another thing to consider is that beyond Amari and Shulga, we have the best of MIL, DET and ORL's 2nd this year in a pretty good draft. Right now, that's pick 38. And who knows what happens with Giannis. So, we traded (known) 32 last year for 38ish this year plus Amari, Shulga and a 2027 2nd.

Yea, that Milwaukee pick could be in the 30s, if they do trade Giannis and Milwaukee collapses that pick could get as high as 35 or something. So that's a good 2nd we picked up.

I think the 2027 pick is already sent out though -- to Utah for them taking Georges Niang.

I am not ready to write Max Shulga off, but the team doesn't seem too excited with his prospects so far. Amari Williams looks really interesting to me so I hope we sign him to a full roster contract but also I am not sure about his fit, so I dont know that we are going to sign him.

I was not pleased when we took Hugo Gonzalez on draft night, but he's played great... but generally we've hardly rostered rookies since Brad Stevens took over from Danny Ainge.

When Brad traded the #41st pick for Jaden Springer, a reason given was that Springer was further in his development, which didn't make a ton of sense to me. Springer was 2.5 yrs into his development and Philly didn't think he was worth extending. I'd rather just pick a player at #41 than trade for a Jaden Springer type.

I wish a Celtics reporter had asked Brad, did you trade down from #32 primarily to get future 2nds to dump Niang or primarily because you prefer to roster 1 rookie per year and #46 will take a 2-way and #32 won't? I don't know why nobody asks that, lol

but anyway, I prefer Ainge's approach of making lots of selections in the draft... you will end up with more stiffs but you will also land some overlooked talent that you won't be able to realistically acquire at a comparable cost... so maybe if we have our 2026 1st rnd pick, the Pels 2nd, & the Bucks 2nd, I hope Brad decides (after seeing Walsh & Hugo) that we should draft two whole players and sign them, lol

edit: quick edit, Ainge's 2004 draft, taking Al Jeff, Delonte, Tony Allen, & Justin Reed and signing 4 rookies was one of the most important moments in recent Celtics history. Al Jefferson became the main piece that faciliated KG's acquisition, Delonte was a sweetener in Ray Allen's acquisition, and Tony Allen was a contributor on 2 teams that went to the Finals... and then Justin Reed didn't pan out.. but this was just a hugely important draft and if Ainge had instead been unwilling to allot four roster spots to four rookies from one draft, we would have been a lot worse off as a franchise... so drafting players for the roster is pretty important imo
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Post#437 » by Fierce1 » Sat Dec 20, 2025 1:57 pm

Celtics didn't trade the 2027 1st round pick to Utah.

The 1st round pick the Celts lost was the 2029 1st pick that got sent to Portland.
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Post#438 » by djFan71 » Sat Dec 20, 2025 5:00 pm

Fierce1 wrote:Celtics didn't trade the 2027 1st round pick to Utah.

The 1st round pick the Celts lost was the 2029 1st pick that got sent to Portland.

We're talking 2nd rounders.
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Post#439 » by djFan71 » Sat Dec 20, 2025 5:07 pm

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djFan71 wrote:
redslastlaugh wrote:Maxime Raynaud for the Kings tonight 29pts - 11reb ... dang, he's been looking good

I think passing on Fleming for Hugo is looking smart... but trading down for 32... I would, with hindsight, probably have taken Raynaud ... A Queta/Raynaud center lineup would be pretty interesting... I know some other posters would have gone Kalkbrenner or Penda... But even though Celtics didn't draft him, Im still happy for Max Raynaud, a 29-11 is a nice night for a mid-second round picked rookie

Another thing to consider is that beyond Amari and Shulga, we have the best of MIL, DET and ORL's 2nd this year in a pretty good draft. Right now, that's pick 38. And who knows what happens with Giannis. So, we traded (known) 32 last year for 38ish this year plus Amari, Shulga and a 2027 2nd.

Yea, that Milwaukee pick could be in the 30s, if they do trade Giannis and Milwaukee collapses that pick could get as high as 35 or something. So that's a good 2nd we picked up.

I think the 2027 pick is already sent out though -- to Utah for them taking Georges Niang.

I am not ready to write Max Shulga off, but the team doesn't seem too excited with his prospects so far. Amari Williams looks really interesting to me so I hope we sign him to a full roster contract but also I am not sure about his fit, so I dont know that we are going to sign him.

I was not pleased when we took Hugo Gonzalez on draft night, but he's played great... but generally we've hardly rostered rookies since Brad Stevens took over from Danny Ainge.

When Brad traded the #41st pick for Jaden Springer, a reason given was that Springer was further in his development, which didn't make a ton of sense to me. Springer was 2.5 yrs into his development and Philly didn't think he was worth extending. I'd rather just pick a player at #41 than trade for a Jaden Springer type.

I wish a Celtics reporter had asked Brad, did you trade down from #32 primarily to get future 2nds to dump Niang or primarily because you prefer to roster 1 rookie per year and #46 will take a 2-way and #32 won't? I don't know why nobody asks that, lol

but anyway, I prefer Ainge's approach of making lots of selections in the draft... you will end up with more stiffs but you will also land some overlooked talent that you won't be able to realistically acquire at a comparable cost... so maybe if we have our 2026 1st rnd pick, the Pels 2nd, & the Bucks 2nd, I hope Brad decides (after seeing Walsh & Hugo) that we should draft two whole players and sign them, lol

edit: quick edit, Ainge's 2004 draft, taking Al Jeff, Delonte, Tony Allen, & Justin Reed and signing 4 rookies was one of the most important moments in recent Celtics history. Al Jefferson became the main piece that faciliated KG's acquisition, Delonte was a sweetener in Ray Allen's acquisition, and Tony Allen was a contributor on 2 teams that went to the Finals... and then Justin Reed didn't pan out.. but this was just a hugely important draft and if Ainge had instead been unwilling to allot four roster spots to four rookies from one draft, we would have been a lot worse off as a franchise... so drafting players for the roster is pretty important imo

I think 2nds tend to have slightly more value as trade facilitators than as actual players. Sometimes you just need something to throw in a trade that isn't worth a first. I think Brad thinks that way as well. And the difference between taking your shots on picks 40+ vs UDFA isn't really huge. 32 is a different story, but getting 4 picks to take a shot at a big, facilitate dumping salary we needed to dump, and still have a good pick this upcoming draft is pretty good value.

Springer was obviously a miss. But, man the potential was there. As was Luis as part of 2 seconds value for Niang. But, Luis was just recovering some value as a flyer since Austin was being a jerk and wouldn't take just one 2nd for Niang. Then he got hurt, so it just didn't happen.

I'm sure Brad would've trade the Shulga pick if he could've gotten anything for it, but
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Post#440 » by sam_I_am » Sat Dec 20, 2025 7:08 pm

OKC 25-3. Tatum’s rookie season the Celtics started 23-5. If the Celtics think Tatum can come back we should go all in. We need to have to get a rim protector. Claxton, Rob Williams or Gafford would be good. Zubac would be alright too. OKC is great but anything can happen. The East is wide open.
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