Omer Asik Trade - Updated link pg.109

humblebum · Post #441 » by **humblebum** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 3:59 am

My feeling is, why not just throw them the Celtics 2014 lottery protected along with Hump for Asik and cash.

Captain_Caveman · Post #442 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:00 am

OK... how about this?

BOS ---> Humphries, Clippers pick
BOS <--- Lavoy Allen

PHI ---> Thaddeus, Lavoy Allen
PHI <--- Lin, Motiejunas, Humphries, Clippers pick

HOU ---> Lin, Motiejunas
HOU <--- Thaddeus

Then Boston trades it's TPE for Asik.

Houston gets Thaddeus Young and an $8.4m TPE while shedding both Lin and Asik's contracts. Motiejunas is collateral damage.

Philly has the ability to absorb Humphries under the cap if they send out Allen. They end up with a pick, Lin, Hump and Motiejunas for Thaddeus.

Boston gets Asik for Hump, Clips pick and TPE, while staying out of the tax.

humblebum · Post #443 » by **humblebum** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:07 am

Why are the Celtics necessarily avoiding the tax when it seems they're looking to contend? I would imagine that Asik would signal an all-in to win with this group for the next this and next season.

Also gotta think that this has something to do with keeping Rondo happy and willing to sign on that dotted line.

Post #444 » by **sully00** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:12 am

Ed Pinkney wrote:Apologies if it has been posted earlier in the thread, but can some knowledgable cat explain to my simple ass how the trade exception can be used by Boston if this rumoured three team deal with Philly happens? I have no idea about how trade exceptions work.

The easiest way to do this would be:

Boston sends Hump and a 1st to PHI who is under the cap and creates a new 12 mil TPE that now would expire on the one year anniversary of the trade.

Boston sends 8.375 mil of their current exception to HOU for Asik. The Rockets might add more salary going out to get as much of the 10.3 exception as possible. They now have a TPE that has an expiration on the one year anniversary of the trade.

brackdan70 · Post #445 » by **brackdan70** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:12 am

humblebum wrote:Why are the Celtics necessarily avoiding the tax when it seems they're looking to contend? I would imagine that Asik would signal an all-in to win with this group for the next this and next season.

Also gotta think that this has something to do with keeping Rondo happy and willing to sign on that dotted line.

I think they want to stay under for at least this season to avoid repeat offender status.

shawn unkempt · Post #446 » by **shawn unkempt** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:12 am

Would Asik be the best pick and roll player Rondo's ever played with? I mean it's kinda sad but it might be true, he's always played with pick and pop guys or guys that can't finish at the rim at all.

Post #447 » by **sully00** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:16 am

humblebum wrote:Why are the Celtics necessarily avoiding the tax when it seems they're looking to contend? I would imagine that Asik would signal an all-in to win with this group for the next this and next season.

Also gotta think that this has something to do with keeping Rondo happy and willing to sign on that dotted line.

Two reasons, there is going to be a historic payout to teams that are under the tax from the money that the Knicks and Nets are kicking in. It is at least going to be a 5-6 mil a team. Even to super rich people pocketing 5 mil is still a lot of money.

Being able to avoid the repeater tax going forward. Boston needs a year under really bad.

Celts17Pride · Post #448 » by **Celts17Pride** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:16 am

humblebum wrote:Why are the Celtics necessarily avoiding the tax when it seems they're looking to contend?

Under the new CBA there are very stiff penalties for repeat offenders who go over the luxury tax. The Celtics have been over the luxury tax last 4-5 years and next year will be hit with stiff tax penalties if they go over it again this year. The Celtics want to start from ground zero so Ainge will keep the Celtics below the luxury tax at all costs.

ryaningf · Post #449 » by **ryaningf** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:18 am

brackdan70 wrote:
humblebum wrote:Why are the Celtics necessarily avoiding the tax when it seems they're looking to contend? I would imagine that Asik would signal an all-in to win with this group for the next this and next season.

Also gotta think that this has something to do with keeping Rondo happy and willing to sign on that dotted line.

I think they want to stay under for at least this season to avoid repeat offender status.

Exactly. There's no way they go into the tax this year. It's way too punitive. The problem is that going over the tax this year or next year triggers the same escalation tax, which is triggered if you're over the apron in 3 out of 4 years. Since we were over it the last 2 we basically need to stay under it for the next 2...that is, unless they think we have a legitimate chance of contending.

So, in short, no way they go over the tax this year, but if they get Asik on the deal being floated out there tonight it should give them several options in the summer of 2014 to go all in, something which might make ownership consider wading back into the deep end.

Ed Pinkney · Post #450 » by **Ed Pinkney** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:19 am

sully00 wrote:
Ed Pinkney wrote:Apologies if it has been posted earlier in the thread, but can some knowledgable cat explain to my simple ass how the trade exception can be used by Boston if this rumoured three team deal with Philly happens? I have no idea about how trade exceptions work.

The easiest way to do this would be:

Boston sends Hump and a 1st to PHI who is under the cap and creates a new 12 mil TPE that now would expire on the one year anniversary of the trade.

Boston sends 8.375 mil of their current exception to HOU for Asik. The Rockets might add more salary going out to get as much of the 10.3 exception as possible. They now have a TPE that has an expiration on the one year anniversary of the trade.

Thanks Sully. Seems ideal for the Celtics but surely the Rockets want something back other than a salary dump? I know they need money for Parsons going forward but Asik is a little too valuable I would have thought. You can't package a TPE with any other parts such as draft picks can you?

gocelts · Post #451 » by **gocelts** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:27 am

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Ed Pinkney · Post #452 » by **Ed Pinkney** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:30 am

David West Redux? Trying not to get my hopes up.

Shamrock · Post #453 » by **Shamrock** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:33 am

Chances are we won't get him... But it's fun to think we could have a legit center for the first time in a long time.

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Shamrock wrote:Chances are we won't get him... But it's fun to think we could have a legit center for the first time in a long time.

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Post #455 » by **sully00** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:38 am

Ed Pinkney wrote:
sully00 wrote:
Ed Pinkney wrote:Apologies if it has been posted earlier in the thread, but can some knowledgable cat explain to my simple ass how the trade exception can be used by Boston if this rumoured three team deal with Philly happens? I have no idea about how trade exceptions work.

The easiest way to do this would be:

Boston sends Hump and a 1st to PHI who is under the cap and creates a new 12 mil TPE that now would expire on the one year anniversary of the trade.

Boston sends 8.375 mil of their current exception to HOU for Asik. The Rockets might add more salary going out to get as much of the 10.3 exception as possible. They now have a TPE that has an expiration on the one year anniversary of the trade.

Thanks Sully. Seems ideal for the Celtics but surely the Rockets want something back other than a salary dump? I know they need money for Parsons going forward but Asik is a little too valuable I would have thought. You can't package a TPE with any other parts such as draft picks can you?

Sure you can. You just can't combine salary to it. So you can't add the exception to Hump and trade for Melo. But you could trade Hump and the exception and a draft pick to HOU for Asik and Lin and just use the exeption for one of the players.

So the reason that HOU would want the exception is that it may be easier to trade to another team that doesn't want anything to do with extra money in Asik's contract. The exception alone without a pick is a tough sell which is making me think that Jordan Crawford could be in trouble. He has played well enough to have trade value but he is the kind of guy you sacrifice to get a player you want, especially if it allows you to keep Bass out of the deal. I could also see Ainge willing to take back Lin in the deal as well.

Green89 · Post #456 » by **Green89** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:41 am

gocelts wrote:Picked this up on the sixer board:

"Jake Pavorsky

Um, please stick to the Celtics board and real sources, as Jake Pavorsky is actually a high school student:

https://twitter.com/JakePavorsky

LMAO at the Sixers board using high school students as sources. :lol:

Marvel · Post #457 » by **Marvel** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:41 am

Why would Philly want Asik, they got Nerlens.

Captain_Caveman · Post #458 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:42 am

sully00 wrote:
Ed Pinkney wrote:Apologies if it has been posted earlier in the thread, but can some knowledgable cat explain to my simple ass how the trade exception can be used by Boston if this rumoured three team deal with Philly happens? I have no idea about how trade exceptions work.

The easiest way to do this would be:

Boston sends Hump and a 1st to PHI who is under the cap and creates a new 12 mil TPE that now would expire on the one year anniversary of the trade.

Boston sends 8.375 mil of their current exception to HOU for Asik. The Rockets might add more salary going out to get as much of the 10.3 exception as possible. They now have a TPE that has an expiration on the one year anniversary of the trade.

I like simple, but Houston needs more than that, I think.

gocelts · Post #459 » by **gocelts** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:46 am

I was in the anti Asik camp...but if we get him for what everyone is suggesting, we quietly become the 3rd best team in our conference....not a contender, but still a young team with picks and a great young coach. Many may think it's pointless but, You traditionaly get all star players with A. High draft picks, B. Free Agency, C. Trades

We ain't tanking, and we ain't saving enough money to sign someone....but with a GOOD young team, and a good young coach, and plenty of friendly contracts and picks...we could create an environment that an Allstar will want to be traded to. ...and who knows, maybe we strike gold drafting in the late teens again.

I'm onboard

gocelts · Post #460 » by **gocelts** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:48 am

Green89 wrote:
gocelts wrote:Picked this up on the sixer board:

"Jake Pavorsky

Um, please stick to the Celtics board and real sources, as Jake Pavorsky is actually a high school student:

https://twitter.com/JakePavorsky

LMAO at the Sixers board using high school students as sources.

Are you SERIOUS?!?!?!?

Sorry man, I had no idea it was crap...should have figured.