Love in town to "see what it's like"

Ben-N1ce · Post #441 » by **Ben-N1ce** » Mon Jun 2, 2014 2:29 pm

secky017 wrote:
Ben-N1ce wrote:
secky017 wrote:
Kings have said they are willing to trade for Love even without assurance of him signing on with them after

Winning culture and atmosphere = Not Kings. I guess that might not matter if it's a drive by destination.

Huh? Who said anything about what Love describes as what he wants?

Love is going to end up on a team he wants to go to...and going by what he says..it's not the Kings.

15th overall · Post #442 » by **15th overall** » Mon Jun 2, 2014 2:29 pm

Little Digger wrote:So you give up at least a lottery pick + you have to pay Kevin Love the max? That would be a bad deal for the Celtics..

Yeah, last thing I want my lottery pick doing is fetching me a top 15 player in his prime. What a disaster!

Little Digger · Post #443 » by **Little Digger** » Mon Jun 2, 2014 2:37 pm

Your limiting the celtics future upside by paying a very good player like Love the max.+ you give up the opportunity to hit a home run in the draft..I'd pass..

15th overall · Post #444 » by **15th overall** » Mon Jun 2, 2014 2:43 pm

Little Digger wrote:Your limiting the celtics future upside by paying a very good player like Love the max.+ you give up the opportunity to hit a home run in the draft..I'd pass..

Drafting a Gary Harris and paying players not as good as Kevin Love, the money that Kevin Love would be getting definitely seems like the best way to maximize the Celts' "future upside."

Okay, lil' Digg.

Okay.

DakoBarr · Post #445 » by **DakoBarr** » Mon Jun 2, 2014 2:44 pm

LarryLegend wrote:Not sure if I saw it posted already, but Love's agent Jeff Schwartz is the very same Jeff Schwartz who represents a certain former Celtic captain who will be a free agent in July... and I'm not talking about Dee Brown.

If we get Love and a rim protector, probably just Love, you'd have to think he comes back. His last interview after losing to the Heat, he seemed like he was ready to move on. What better place than home? I really wish KG would retire and save his legs for one year, then come here on the vet minimum for a run.

If these stars align, man...

KamikazeK · Post #446 » by **KamikazeK** » Mon Jun 2, 2014 2:49 pm

Little Digger wrote:So you give up at least a lottery pick + you have to pay Kevin Love the max? That would be a bad deal for the Celtics..

Seriously?

What is the fascination that celtics fans here have with the draft? It ain't all it's cracked up to be.,.

15th overall · Post #447 » by **15th overall** » Mon Jun 2, 2014 2:51 pm

KamikazeK wrote:
Little Digger wrote:So you give up at least a lottery pick + you have to pay Kevin Love the max? That would be a bad deal for the Celtics..

Seriously?

What is the fascination that celtics fans here have with the draft? It ain't all it's cracked up to be.,.

He's not a Celtics fan from what I can gather.

Just a troll... and not a very good one, either.

campybatman · Post #448 » by **campybatman** » Mon Jun 2, 2014 2:53 pm

In my opinion, Ainge shouldn't surrender more than two first round picks in exchange for Kevin Love. Because it's important for Ainge not to overpay for Love in order to appease Boston fans who are dissatisfied with the NBA Lottery results. Also, Jared Sullinger, Avery Bradley (sign-and-trade), Kelly Olynyk and Brandon Bass (expiring) are young players that have manageable contracts.

Granted, Love's only twenty-five years old (twenty-six in September), but Kevin Garnett (thirty-one) was four seasons removed from being the league's MVP in 2003-2004.

Personally, I don't have a problem with retaining both of this year's first round picks and selecting the best available players. Not to mention, the 2015 draft might be deep as well.

The question is, will Ainge be satisfied with the consolation prize if a Love trade to Boston doesn't come to fruition? Perhaps, the consolation prize is Gordon Hayward (sign-and-trade), Eric Bledsoe (sign-and-trade), Kyrie Irving or Roy Hibbert.

With two first round picks in this years draft and young trade assets, I believe Ainge can offer a similar deal to the Garnett trade.

Jefferson/Sullinger
Ratliff/Bass
Green/Johnson
Telfair/Bradley
Gomes/Olynyk

The package going back to Minnesota, sources say, is built around two assets Wolves vice president Kevin McHale has long coveted: Al Jefferson and Theo Ratliff's expiring contract.

It is believed the deal also calls for the Celtics to ship youngsters Gerald Green, Sebastian Telfair and Ryan Gomes to Minnesota, along with a future first-round draft pick and the return of a first-rounder the Wolves surrendered in the Wally Szczerbiak-Ricky Davis trade in January 2006.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2954127

Little Digger · Post #449 » by **Little Digger** » Mon Jun 2, 2014 3:02 pm

Love's not a max player..He's a nice offensive player..Great rebounder..Excellent outlet passer..Horrible defender..Not athletic enough to be an impact type player..If he's your hightest paid player, you're going to have a hard time building a true contender around him..

pac213up · Post #450 » by **pac213up** » Mon Jun 2, 2014 3:06 pm

Little Digger wrote:Love's not a max player..He's a nice offensive player..Great rebounder..Excellent outlet passer..Horrible defender..Not athletic enough to be an impact type player..If he's your hightest paid player, you're going to have a hard time building a true contender around him..

There are probably only 2 or 3 players in the league that would not be hard to build a true contender around. Most teams have to settle for option B. The Celtics have the assets and management to make it work.

Afam · Post #451 » by **Afam** » Mon Jun 2, 2014 3:07 pm

it's going to take three picks to get it done and im okay with that. As I proposed in the Wolves forum, my offer would be 6th pick, one of the nets pick with slight protection on it, 2015 clips pick and green for Kevin Love, Kevin Martin etc. That's a fair deal for both sides. At worst its going to take two picks to seal the deal ( ie 6th pick and one of the nets pick) Anything less than that and Danny Ainge royally screwed them.

We still have enough assets to go after Melo.

CeltsfanSinceBirth · Post #452 » by **CeltsfanSinceBirth** » Mon Jun 2, 2014 3:11 pm

Lol at the Twolves forum. Some of them are saying that Flip wouldn't hesitate to take a lesser deal if the Celtics or Love pulled any funny business over the weekend. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. If they want to take garbage just to get back at Kevin Love, then so be it. They just have to remember that it was Kahn who refused to offer Love 5 years on his deal because he was saving that contract for Ricky Rubio. Go track down Kahn and blame him for Love wanting out. Nothing to do with the Celtics.

Afam · Post #453 » by **Afam** » Mon Jun 2, 2014 3:14 pm

Little Digger wrote:Love's not a max player..He's a nice offensive player..Great rebounder..Excellent outlet passer..Horrible defender..Not athletic enough to be an impact type player..If he's your hightest paid player, you're going to have a hard time building a true contender around him..

Not every player is Lebron. I'm beginning to notice a lot of sports fans want ever player on their team to be an All round player. It doesn't work that way. For example, Rondo is a good passer, rebounds the ball well but sucks in shooting the ball, freethrows and his defense is bad, does that mean we shouldn't want him on our team No. Every player's in the NBA has their own strengths and weakness. A lot of people seem fascinated in building through the draft. I pass on that. It takes too long and that's even if its done correctly. People should ask the Cavs, Sac, Raps etc how rebuilding through the draft is working on for them.

Afam · Post #454 » by **Afam** » Mon Jun 2, 2014 3:18 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:Lol at the Twolves forum. Some of them are saying that Flip wouldn't hesitate to take a lesser deal if the Celtics or Love pulled any funny business over the weekend. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. If they want to take garbage just to get back at Kevin Love, then so be it. They just have to remember that it was Kahn who refused to offer Love 5 years on his deal because he was saving that contract for Ricky Rubio. Go track down Kahn and blame him for Love wanting out. Nothing to do with the Celtics.

I saw that. I just chuckled. I'm not one to troll in other teams forum or make fun. Heck I rarely post in other teams forum. once in a blue moon. Anyway's im sure you saw my response to that statement, but incase you didn't see I said Love would simply bolt from Sac, Cav and they would be left with nothing but rebuilding for a long time. Rondo nixed the sac trade so Kevin Love does have a lot of leverage if he chooses to use it.

15th overall · Post #455 » by **15th overall** » Mon Jun 2, 2014 3:21 pm

Love showed such reverence for Bird, Fairweather said, that at one point Love pointed out how he believes that Bird’s No. 33 ought to be retired by every team in the NBA.

Afam · Post #456 » by **Afam** » Mon Jun 2, 2014 3:25 pm

15th overall wrote:
Love showed such reverence for Bird, Fairweather said, that at one point Love pointed out how he believes that Bird’s No. 33 ought to be retired by every team in the NBA.

No 42 is Available Kevin Love. If you know what I mean. We might even let you wear no 33 for a day. Lol.

Ben-N1ce · Post #457 » by **Ben-N1ce** » Mon Jun 2, 2014 3:32 pm

Little Digger wrote:Love's not a max player..He's a nice offensive player..Great rebounder..Excellent outlet passer..Horrible defender..Not athletic enough to be an impact type player..If he's your hightest paid player, you're going to have a hard time building a true contender around him..

Name all the players worth Max..Lebron's the only player that is truly worth Max in my opinion but that's how the NBA works. What is your list?

Afam · Post #458 » by **Afam** » Mon Jun 2, 2014 3:42 pm

Ben-N1ce wrote:
Little Digger wrote:Love's not a max player..He's a nice offensive player..Great rebounder..Excellent outlet passer..Horrible defender..Not athletic enough to be an impact type player..If he's your hightest paid player, you're going to have a hard time building a true contender around him..

Name all the players worth Max..Lebron's the only player that is truly worth Max in my opinion but that's how the NBA works. What is your list?

I give my two cents on this. Lebron and Durant. That's it.

greengoggles · Post #459 » by **greengoggles** » Mon Jun 2, 2014 3:56 pm

I'm not even that big of a Kevin Love fan, but he's absolutely a max player. Just glancing at his 2014 stats, he was 3rd in PER behind Durant and Lebron, 4th in scoring, and 3rd in rebounding. He's a monster on offense. He spaces the floor, can post up, gets to the foul line, and makes heady passes. Love obviously has his deficiencies - defense being the obvious one - but there aren't ten players better than him currently in the NBA.

Post #460 » by **sully00** » Mon Jun 2, 2014 4:08 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:Lol at the Twolves forum. Some of them are saying that Flip wouldn't hesitate to take a lesser deal if the Celtics or Love pulled any funny business over the weekend. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. If they want to take garbage just to get back at Kevin Love, then so be it. They just have to remember that it was Kahn who refused to offer Love 5 years on his deal because he was saving that contract for Ricky Rubio. Go track down Kahn and blame him for Love wanting out. Nothing to do with the Celtics.

I think Love and Flip are on the same page it is getting Taylor to understand the situation.

There are two scenarios the one where Kevin Love is cooperating with the Wolves in an attempt to maximize the return and the one where Kevin Love says "Screw you I want to be a FA I am not talking to anyone about any damn thing." This is the situation that the Nuggets mucked up when they were looking to deal Melo.

You can't ask him for a list or to talk to a perspective team and then get pissed when he starts use that leverage.

What the Wolves have to appreciate is that Kevin Love's trade value changes even for the Celtics as the clock winds down.

He has premium value prior to the draft and FA. This is just obvious Boston's focus is going to be on totally different group of players if they can pull of this trade than if they are adding young talent never mind what they do with the 10.3 mil TPE. Making the move now allows Ainge the entire off season to build a contender around Love and Rondo.

While I think making a deal during FA is less ideal for Boston because at that point #6 and #17 have a name and a face and the opportunity to move Rondo for pre draft assets has passed obviously a deal can still get deal done but the compensation goes down.

Now if MINN decides to drag this thing into camp and the regular season that almost cuts the price in half in my mind, and I don't even care what someone else is willing to pay. At that point '14-'15 is going to be a lost season as both of these guys head into FA.