Rajon Rondo Traded To The Mavericks.

[KGboss]

He traded assets and got us banner 17. Nothing special to you huh? Danny has never showcased his drafting. His talent is in trades. People are too emotional and connected to this on a personal level just because it's Rondo to see the forest through the trees.

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Why am I not allowed to hate this because we just traded our best player for bench scraps?

Hate all you want I don't like the deal either we got a **** return that's undeniable. I just think people are a lot more heated than they really should be when all is said and done.

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[chasebaca834]

No Parsons? It's time to step down, Danny.

[BannersOnly]

The funny thing is I'm not even that pissed we traded Rondo for nothing(and, yes, a late 1st rd pick is NOTHING).......its the fact that Ainge waits until effin late december to do it when he could have traded him for a ham effin sandwich in the summer and TANKED HARD from the effin get go this season. Now we are sitting here with 8 effin meaningless wins when we could have 3 or less and be sitting pretty for a Top 3 pick. Sloppy GMing and nobody can convince me otherwise. You hold out for this return of utter ****??????? Cmon son...

[brackdan70]

No Parsons? It's time to step down, Danny.

[GreenBloodedC]

I really hate what we've got and I hate that we don't have Rondo now. But I am glad Ainge put Danny in a good position and a position to win.

[Slartibartfast]

Maybe but the word is that Green isn't available. There is an element to this that is that this team has seen enough of Smart and of Rondo in Stevens' offense to know which way they are going. I don't know where Green fits into all this but I just felt Rondo was gone the minute this team drafted Smart. I have tried to convince myself of something else but it just didn't make sense.

Woj said we are shopping Green for a picks. Also I will enjoy this team more now because we don't have the distractions of Rondo FA or competing for a playoff spot. Now we can focus on the development of the young guys and the development of Wright I think he can good on extended minutes.

Yup then there was this.

The Celtics aren’t interested in trading Jeff Green in spite of recent inquiries about the forward from the Clippers, Pelicans and Grizzlies, who view the C’s as sellers, according to USA Today’s Jeff Zillgitt (Twitter link). That conflicts with a Wednesday report from Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports, who wrote that the C’s were shopping Green in hopes of landing a first-round pick. Boston turned down an offer for Green and Rajon Rondo that included Jordan Hill and a first-round pick, presumably among other assets, from the Lakers, as Zillgitt reported earlier today.

The interest from the Clippers isn’t surprising, given their apparent need at small forward and reported interest in Corey Brewer, among other targets. The Pelicans were reportedly aggressive in trade discussions as of a few weeks ago, and they, too, could use help at small forward. The Grizzlies aren’t blessed with star-quality wing talent, either, but it’s somewhat odd to see them involved given their 21-4 record. It’s unclear what any of the three teams is willing to relinquish to acquire Green.

The 28-year-old former No. 5 overall pick is in the midst of strong year, averaging a career-high 19.6 points per game, and he’s far and away Boston’s leading scorer this season. Reluctance on the part of Boston to move him would seem to indicate that president of basketball operations Danny Ainge isn’t about to undertake an aggressive rebuilding even if he lets go of Rondo, though given the conflicting reports, it’s tough to get a read on the C’s strategy. Green is making $9.2MM this season and has a player option for the same salary next year.

Now this could be as simple as no one is going to give up a 1st round pick for Green. There is a risk because he is not simply a rental if he doesn't work out after a deal he can opt in on any contender that traded for him. Bottom line is that Ainge is tying up so many draft picks in his own treasure chest that it is going to make it harder and harder for him to acquire more.

More teams would be in on Green and he is playing better but he is probably more than happy to take Boston's money and Boston doesn't really have someone to take on his role right now. At some point the value of the assets currently on your roster start to matter just as much as the picks you have in the future. For Smart, Sully, KO to be worth a damn they have to be productive in a competitive situation.

Who cares what Smart, Sully and KO are worth this year - the quick rebuild is off the table, and more picks aren't incoming.

I hate tanking, but trading your best player for crap but still pursuing the 8th seed is madness. Green's gotta go.

[AKFO]

Starting to try to get behind this move. I'm not sure I see Wright as a big piece on this team in the short or long term given how crowded our frontcourt is. But at the very least, we did get about $9,000,000 in expirings that is all eligible to be traded at the deadline, and could very easily bring back another first round pick.

[brackdan70]

apologies if this was covered but looks like the pick is protected 1-4 and 15-30 this year and 1-7 through 2020. Essentially we will get the Mavs 2016 pick... My feeling is that will likely be a better pick thanks this years... Dirk a year older, Chandler a ?. Maybe they are just as good next year, but I could see them taking a step back...a lot depends on free agency I guess.

[BannersOnly]

Green has to be next. Trade him for a grilled cheese and fries.....no sense in keeping the guy now. we need Top 5 picks this year and next at minimum now. Frankly, need Top 3 picks. If we keep Green and play him 40 mins a night and win meaningless games then I'm convinced Danny needs psychiatric help. Where's ML Carr when you need him?

[exculpatory]

Rondo's been a disappointment Post Big 3. Let's call a spade a spade. Last year, we can chalk up his play to knee injury. I buy that.

This year? His shooting is embarrassing, and he doesn't listen to Brad Stevens. Guy is a supreme passer, but I don't think he plays hard and really embraces his teammates.

What did Celtics need from Rondo?

Post Big 3 -- 16 ppg, 10-11 assists and great defense on decent shooting. He goes 8 ppg, ridiculous, inconsistency and he couldn't play late in the game because he couldn't hit a free throw.

Spot on. And he wanted a near max contract for that bull ****.

Thanks Rondo for some special PO series.

Good luck in Dallas where you will be once again surrounded by ballers who can score - which will therefore mask your embarrassing & fatal offensive liabilities & allow you to play to your strengths.

[robbie84]

He's expiring and is arguably not even a top 10 PG anymore.
What else do people expect for him?

Add in the fact that Ainge has inside information and we don't.

Logically we should ponder:
-Was Rondo taking nothing less than the max to play in Boston?
-Were there really any top 10 players that were realistically available in the next 2 seasons to add Rondo?
-Was there a greater chance that he'd leave this summer for nothing?
-Do we risk all of the above AND hurt our shot at a draft which has a top three of:

Okafur
Towns
Muiday....

Losing the magician sucks but I completely understand why Ainge pulled the trigger.
Good for him for having the balls to do this.
Everyone needs to take a breath and realise that this is good for the long term.

Highly doubt we'll be bad enough to get Okafor, Towns or Mudiay without some help from Silver

We're 4 games ahead of the Pistons and Knicks last time I looked.
Once Bass and Green are gone, both those teams are better than us.

[dre7o2]

I apologize if this has been discussed in this thread..

How has Rondo looked on defense this year?

Mavs fans talking about perimeter D push but I swear I read something regarding advanced metrics and Rondo's defensive deterioration over the years.

Thanks.

He hasn't tried on defense in about 4 years. Who knows, maybe he will decide to turn it around now.

[ryaningf]

There will be a significant Trade exemption....I believe it can be set up so its the full 12.9 million of Rondos salary...any experts on that ?

Significant trade exemptions are helpful in acquiring high salaried vet-type players; i.e., the exact kind of player we don't need right now. Maybe you use it to absorb an overpaid player so you can extract another first round pick but once again this "asset" is less than what it appears.

Fact is, what we got for Rondo (a late first and a decent big) is exactly what we got for taking on Thornton's contract. That ain't enough IMO.

This move signals complete fire sale mode and tank life. I can imagine the poor offers we were getting for Bass, Green, Thornton, et al are only going to get worse. No leverage now, just sharks in the water.

The scary part of the trade is Boston may actually be better on the floor.

Yup. The irony being we that we're too good to tank yet still 5+ years away from contending. Welcome to oblivion. Another mid-lotto pick, 2 late firsts, and irrelevance to look forward to in 2015.

So the same situation we were in yesterday, minus your favorite player, plus a couple more middling assets.

Also minus the possibility of contending sometime in the next 5 years, however small you think that chance might have been it's now reduced to ZERO. But, hey, draft picks and getting drunk on the potential of guys who are years away from being playoff caliber players.

Compare/contrast the Cs and Mavs. One team rewarded their franchise player (Dirk), one team shipped him off for parts after one bad year. One team maintained their contender status in the face of aging players and doing so put them in position to get Monta Ellis, Tyson Chandler, and Rajon Rondo for basically nothing. The other team loaded itself up on draft picks, young players, and a college coach and will have cap space this summer but no one of value who will want to play for them.

One team will be hoping on lottery luck to deliver them from the self-created situation while the other team will be in the playoffs with a chance for a ring. I know who I'd rather be, do you?

[robbie84]

He's expiring and is arguably not even a top 10 PG anymore.
What else do people expect for him?

Add in the fact that Ainge has inside information and we don't.

Logically we should ponder:
-Was Rondo taking nothing less than the max to play in Boston?
-Were there really any top 10 players that were realistically available in the next 2 seasons to add Rondo?
-Was there a greater chance that he'd leave this summer for nothing?
-Do we risk all of the above AND hurt our shot at a draft which has a top three of:

Okafur
Towns
Muiday....

Losing the magician sucks but I completely understand why Ainge pulled the trigger.
Good for him for having the balls to do this.
Everyone needs to take a breath and realise that this is good for the long term.

You think we're going to get a top 3 pick? That's cute. I don't want to be the one to drop the bad news on your head, but there is absolutely 0 chance of us getting a top 3 pick. Especially now that we know for a fact we aren't getting Dallas's pick this year. How are we supposed to get a top 3 pick exactly?

See above reply to same question.
Why do you think Ainge traded him now? He could have gotten the same/similar deal at deadline or offseason.
We have an easy stretch of games coming up and now they aren't so easy. Every game counts and Zeller and Rondo were winning us a few too many games.
Once Green and Bass are gone do you think this team is as good as the Knicks or Pistons who are 4 games behind?

[BannersOnly]

Maybe now that Rondo is gone all his haters can open their eyes and start recognizing how effin BRUTAL this ham and egger of a starting two guard that makes $8 million a year truly is.......if Rondo only brought back this pathetic haul what do you think Bradley would bring? Another genius move by Danny boy.....smh.

[Dogen]

33% from the line. It was a great run a few years back Rondo. Best to you in Dallas.


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The funny thing is I'm not even that pissed we traded Rondo for nothing(and, yes, a late 1st rd pick is NOTHING).......its the fact that Ainge waits until effin late december to do it when he could have traded him for a ham effin sandwich in the summer and TANKED HARD from the effin get go this season. Now we are sitting here with 8 effin meaningless wins when we could have 3 or less and be sitting pretty for a Top 3 pick. Sloppy GMing and nobody can convince me otherwise. You hold out for this return of utter ****??????? Cmon son...

You think Rondo has been the difference-maker for 5 wins so far?

[Andrew McCeltic]

This is much like the Antoine trade 11 years ago.. Dallas is loading up on high-salaried guys who aren't perfect (then- Jamison, Walker; now- Parsons, Rondo) and we're getting rid of a semi-star with a "grip on the franchise"- in return, we're getting a pick, some contract flexibility, and a couple of decent players with a little bit of upside. Just no Raef Lafrentz this time. And Dallas' guys fit much better.

We can live with this trade, but it's such a disappointment- and I think we could've gotten better value if Ainge hadn't blinked so quickly. You don't think you can pry that NOP pick out of Houston? Two picks out of Dallas? Sacramento could've been pressured into dealing Mclemore..

You've got two months until the trade deadline, so it was really essential to get Wright now to trade him later?

This is partly about Ainge not wanting trade drama, having a bunch of young players, wanting to develop Smart, wanting to keep Stevens' reputation and the organization's reputation, which he's worked to cultivate. Not worth a public trade demand and tense negotiations mid-season..

We'll hear the fall-out tomorrow: Ainge's take, Stevens', the media's. "Management was convinced.." "Team sources indicate that Rondo.." etc.

Who is Rondo's agent, again? He deserves a Christmas bonus.

[StojkoVrankovic]

He traded assets and got us banner 17. Nothing special to you huh? Danny has never showcased his drafting. His talent is in trades. People are too emotional and connected to this on a personal level just because it's Rondo to see the forest through the trees.

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Why am I not allowed to hate this because we just traded our best player for bench scraps?

Hate all you want I don't like the deal either we got a **** return that's undeniable. I just think people are a lot more heated than they really should be when all is said and done.

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I think removing Rondo from this specific squad is bad, like a really bad idea.

People keep posting all these numbers how Rondo doesn't impact winning, the team is better with him on the bench, our offense sucks, etc. I appreciate the ability for folks to copy/paste numbers, but they don't match up with what my eyes see.

With Rondo on the court I see a SG in Bradley who has all of his deficiencies hidden, I see a C in Zeller who has never looked better, I see a SF in Green who is forced to be aggressive and fed his shots when necessary, I see a fat PF who gets wide open shots almost at will, etc. This is clearly tinted with green color glasses, but can you really deny any of it?

Forcing Smart into a role he isn't ready or even able to play is a laughable disaster waiting to happen

[ILC]

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