The (Quintessential) Trade Thread, 2017 (Part 5.0)

[Bill Lumbergh]

No chance the Knicks would do that. Hernangomez has shown way more promise than Rozier.

Yeah, Willy and Porzingis is their future frontcourt. He's legit and is just scratching the surface of his potential.

Yeah, and Jusuf Nurkic was the Nuggets' future too. Just scratching his potential.

Disputes nothing. Hernangomez has shown way more potential than Rozier.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Yeah, Willy and Porzingis is their future frontcourt. He's legit and is just scratching the surface of his potential.

Yeah, and Jusuf Nurkic was the Nuggets' future too. Just scratching his potential.

Disputes nothing. Hernangomez has shown way more potential than Rozier.

Gotta make that case. Nurkic actually has a future, and is just scratching his potential. Rozier has shown promise. Hermangomez just seems like he's overachieving relative to his hype.

[Andrew McCeltic]

From Kings' board's insider, who's either dumb or pretending to be dumb, real or fake.

I can also say that the Hawks are very interested in Benny Mac as well as Cavs , Celtics , Magic . Pacers & Denver
Okc , Boston , Bulls , Rockets & Cavs are interested in Koufas .

I would keep an eye on Boston they have talked about a possibility of A.Johnson & a future 1st of some kind for Koufas & Mac .
Again that is talk with nothing concrete as of yet .
Boston is trying to pry either Cousins still but are also trying to pry Butler or George . These are the 3 players they would like the most and they are trying to get one of them .

[CelticFaninLBC]

What should be the max offer for Melo and O'Quinn?

[Andrew McCeltic]

We don't want Melo and O'Quinn.

Amir/LAC 1st for Koufos/Mclemore would be a nice move, btw. And if we had to get back down to max cap space by trade, I think we still could.

[Marvel]

No chance the Knicks would do that. Hernangomez has shown way more promise than Rozier.

Yeah, Willy and Porzingis is their future frontcourt. He's legit and is just scratching the surface of his potential.

Yeah, and Jusuf Nurkic was the Nuggets' future too. Just scratching his potential.

Nurkic was a victim of overloaded talent at his position. The Knicks don't have that problem, and with Noah out they needed him to step up and he has delivered. Nurk didn't like the way he was treated there also with the rotations that Malone was putting out there. Malone was playing Joker and Faried(in small ball lineups) at C. Nurk just wasn't a good fit in Denver.

[Marvel]

From Kings' board's insider, who's either dumb or pretending to be dumb, real or fake.

I can also say that the Hawks are very interested in Benny Mac as well as Cavs , Celtics , Magic . Pacers & Denver
Okc , Boston , Bulls , Rockets & Cavs are interested in Koufas .

I would keep an eye on Boston they have talked about a possibility of A.Johnson & a future 1st of some kind for Koufas & Mac .
Again that is talk with nothing concrete as of yet .
Boston is trying to pry either Cousins still but are also trying to pry Butler or George . These are the 3 players they would like the most and they are trying to get one of them .

His source is coming from the RealGM message boards trade threads.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Koufos isn't a star, but he's a bandaid for rebounding and rim protection. Needs to shave his whole head, that's step 1. And Mclemore would get an audition as a bench scorer - if you're lucky, he plays well enough that you give him another year at 5 million and keep his Bird rights, so you can pay him if he makes a leap. Force-feed him the ball and let Brad have a crack at coaching him, he could still spark into a star. Increasingly low probability that happens, but it's not a bad gamble.

[Cornbread]

Koufos is worse than Johnson and Mclemore is worse than everyone in our rotation.

[CelticsLV]

We don't want Melo and O'Quinn.

Amir/LAC 1st for Koufos/Mclemore would be a nice move, btw. And if we had to get back down to max cap space by trade, I think we still could.

What's nice about this move? What Koufos does better than Amir? Get 2 more rebounds on average? You bascially eliminate max cap room, and to get it back you have to let Olynyk go AND trade Bradley.

By the way i just checked that Koufos is noticeably worse than Amir.

[Parliament10]

Yeah, Willy and Porzingis is their future frontcourt. He's legit and is just scratching the surface of his potential.

Yeah, and Jusuf Nurkic was the Nuggets' future too. Just scratching his potential.

Disputes nothing. Hernangomez has shown way more potential than Rozier.

Gotta make that case. Nurkic actually has a future, and is just scratching his potential. Rozier has shown promise. Hermangomez just seems like he's overachieving relative to his hype.

1) Hernangómez & Porziņģis as a Starting Frontcourt, will be devastating.
2) Nurkić, has a lot of potential. He could end up being a Starter, or a 6th-Man type. He has problems meshing though, right?
3) Rozier is a Backup. -- He's Not going to be a Starter.

[Homerclease]

Yeah, Willy and Porzingis is their future frontcourt. He's legit and is just scratching the surface of his potential.

Yeah, and Jusuf Nurkic was the Nuggets' future too. Just scratching his potential.

Disputes nothing. Hernangomez has shown way more potential than Rozier.

Gotta make that case. Nurkic actually has a future, and is just scratching his potential. Rozier has shown promise. Hermangomez just seems like he's overachieving relative to his hype.

1) Hernangómez & Porziņģis as a Starting Frontcourt, will be devastating.
2) Nurkić, has a lot of potential. He could end up being a Starter, or a 6th-Man type. He's problems meshing though, right?
3) Rozier is a Backup. -- He's Not going to be a Starter.

How can you be so sure about number 3? Wily is 27 already putting up good stats on a lousy team. Rozier might have much better numbers if he were a starter on a 23 win team as well

[Curmudgeon]

Well, Mencuis and Parliament must have gotten it right from Dr. Phil's mouth. Or was it the from Knicks version of Skywalker 33 over on the trade forum?

[Parliament10]

Yeah, Willy and Porzingis is their future frontcourt. He's legit and is just scratching the surface of his potential.

Yeah, and Jusuf Nurkic was the Nuggets' future too. Just scratching his potential.

Disputes nothing. Hernangomez has shown way more potential than Rozier.

Gotta make that case. Nurkic actually has a future, and is just scratching his potential. Rozier has shown promise. Hermangomez just seems like he's overachieving relative to his hype.

1) Hernangómez & Porziņģis as a Starting Frontcourt, will be devastating.
2) Nurkić, has a lot of potential. He could end up being a Starter, or a 6th-Man type. He's problems meshing though, right?
3) Rozier is a Backup. -- He's Not going to be a Starter.

How can you be so sure about number 3? Wily is 27 already putting up good stats on a lousy team. Rozier might have much better numbers if he were a starter on a 23 win team as well

Come on now. -- Rozier, a full-time Starter, on a Championship Team? = Not Gonna Happen.
If Rozier was going to be that, then he would have shown those types of signs. Thus far, he has Never started.

What do you mean, Willy is 27?

[Parliament10]

Well, Mencuis and Parliament must have gotten it right from Dr. Phil's mouth. Or was it the from Knicks version of Skywalker 33 over on the trade forum?

Ha-ha-ha.


The scout who knew Porzingis, Hernangomez would be stars
By Marc Berman February 16, 2017



http://nypost.com/2017/02/16/the-scout-who-knew-porzingis-hernangomez-would-be-stars/

NEW ORLEANS — Embattled Knicks president Phil Jackson should draw some pride watching Friday’s Rising Stars Challenge during All-Star Weekend. Center Willy Hernangomez and power forward Kristaps Porzingis — the Knicks’ frontcourt of the future — will suit up for the World Team.

Scott Roth, a Timberwolves scout, feels proud, too.

“When I walked in the gym and saw both those two, it wasn’t a question of them being able to play in the NBA, it was a matter of when,’’ Roth told The Post Thursday.

Roth is referring to the practice facility in Sevilla, Spain, two years ago when he was a head coach in the Spanish League. He possessed the league’s youngest squad, starting then-19-year-olds Hernangomez and Porzingis.

[Andrew McCeltic]

We don't want Melo and O'Quinn.

Amir/LAC 1st for Koufos/Mclemore would be a nice move, btw. And if we had to get back down to max cap space by trade, I think we still could.

What's nice about this move? What Koufos does better than Amir? Get 2 more rebounds on average? You bascially eliminate max cap room, and to get it back you have to let Olynyk go AND trade Bradley.

By the way i just checked that Koufos is noticeably worse than Amir.

You already have to let Olynyk go to have max cap room.

Koufos is a legit center, he's more physical than Amir, he's 9th in the league right now in Defensive Real Plus-Minus. (http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM/position/9)

Advanced stats are tricky, obviously. But he's also a cut above Amir as a rebounder - see http://www.foxsports.com/nba/stats?season=2016&category=REBOUNDING&group=1&sort=11&time=0&pos=0&team=0&qual=1&sortOrder=0&opp=0

He's 24th in the league in rebounding percentage - Amir is 41st. He's about a percentage point behind Anthony Davis, Greg Monroe and Tristan Thompson. He's not an elite rebounder, or an all-star rebounder, but he's starting-center level on the boards. You could argue he'd be a better rebounder if he didn't share time with Cousins. These things fluctuate. He's grabbed 19 percent of his rebound chances before - http://www.foxsports.com/nba/kosta-koufos-player-stats - which would make him 12th in the league this year.

In Denver and Memphis, his Defensive ratings were really really good - 98 in 2014-15 on that Memphis team.

He's just a legit center, comparable to Amir defensively, if not better, and a better rebounder. He's 2 years younger, and has less tread on the tires, since he didn't come out of high school and start playing 82 game seasons.

And he's under contract next year for 8.3 million, with a player option the year after that. Getting a big that good for 8.3 million in free agency - even resigning Amir for that - not gonna happen.

The eye test tells you, too, that Koufos is a legit starting center. He'd be the best we've had since Perk and Kristic.

The defense of Mclemore is pretty well-established. He's been horribly developed, horribly coached in Sacramento, he doesn't get many touches, and when they call his number often enough that he can get into a rhythm, he has good scoring games.

[Homerclease]

1) Hernangómez & Porziņģis as a Starting Frontcourt, will be devastating.
2) Nurkić, has a lot of potential. He could end up being a Starter, or a 6th-Man type. He's problems meshing though, right?
3) Rozier is a Backup. -- He's Not going to be a Starter.

How can you be so sure about number 3? Wily is 27 already putting up good stats on a lousy team. Rozier might have much better numbers if he were a starter on a 23 win team as well

Come on now. -- Rozier, a full-time Starter, on a Championship Team? = Not Gonna Happen.
If Rozier was going to be that, then he would have shown those types of signs. Thus far, he has Never started.

What do you mean, Willy is 27?

My apologies, confused him with Kuzminskas who is 27. Willy is in fact 22

[Parliament10]

How can you be so sure about number 3? Wily is 27 already putting up good stats on a lousy team. Rozier might have much better numbers if he were a starter on a 23 win team as well

Come on now. -- Rozier, a full-time Starter, on a Championship Team? = Not Gonna Happen.
If Rozier was going to be that, then he would have shown those types of signs. Thus far, he has Never started.

What do you mean, Willy is 27?

My apologies, confused him with Kuzminskas who is 27. Willy is in fact 22

Yeah. Willy & Zinger, are both young. They both have a lot of potential.
Obviously, Porziņģis is way out ahead.

[Curmudgeon]

If the Celtics plan to keep Olynyk I wish that Ainge would give up his pie in the sky and just trade for Tyson Chandler. He isn't the perfect fit, but who is? You want rim protection and rebounding, he provides it. I'd also love to have him around to mentor Zizic.

[Parliament10]

If the Celtics plan to keep Olynyk I wish that Ainge would give up his pie in the sky and just trade for Tyson Chandler. He isn't the perfect fit, but who is? You want rim protection and rebounding, he provides it. I'd also love to have him around to mentor Zizic.

Tyson Chandler has 3 years left on his Contract. And he's 34 now.
I don't think he'd be the guy.

Maybe Bogut, after a buyout?