All things Draft Pick. #3

[BigTrade92]

Danny was the outlier on Oden vs Durant, too.

He may be wrong, he may be right. But I'd rather have the guy that has the balls to trust his gut than the weenie who only drafts consensus BPA.

Danny always wanted to trade this years Brooklyn pick, plus several others for Justice Winslow.

Danny isn't god. He makes questionable moves. This is easily his most questionable move yet and on paper looks horrible.

He just build a stacked team in Philly and STILL let them off the hook by keeping one of the Sacramento or Lakers picks. So they'll soon enough be ADDING to that core. Horrible.

No, the BKN pick in question was 2016. If you're gunna blast someone for something that didn't happen, at least pick the right rumor.

I never claimed he was god, so congrats on the strawman.

Ainge had Tatum above Fultz. Rather than picking Tatum 1, he traded down to get him for a cheaper salary while adding a future asset. The same posters criticizing him for the trade would be crucifying him for drafting Tatum and not trading down.

I'm a Fultz nut hugger. I had him #1. But I could be wrong. I wish we got better value, but, this wasn't a bad deal.

Sure okay, he wanted to give up Jaylen Brown for Winslow, even better...

And I'm not claiming you specifically think Ainge is a god, meant it in a general sense to the Ainge apologists on here, blindly defending him like he does no wrong.

Good value is the 3rd, Sac AND the LAL pick. Getting only one, with protection, and moving down two spots is horrible. It's a fleecing.

Even if Ainge didn't want Fultz, teams still lusted after him, clearly. There was a better deal to be had. Heck, he could've held out another 4 days to get it. Heck, he could've drafted Fultz and used him as bait and Philly probably would've bitten.

Instead he settled for a drop down and a single protected lottery pick? WTF is that?

[Jaqua92]

Let me put this in perspective from where I'm sitting:

Danny just traded the next Kyrie Irving for Nicolas Batum. Batum is a really nice player. Athletic, skilled defensively, good in transition, and can score at times, but never will be an elite player.

For me, Fultz is going to tear it up and Jackson is going to be a solid starter. That is not prospects that are close in ability like Danny apparently is saying.

If you disagree with my evaluation, fine, but if you agree, you'd be flipping out too because a Kyrie Irving type on this team would help this team take a huge leap forward.

But that's the thing. Logic ssys to trust the pro scouts over the evaluation of me or you. Danny knows ball better thwn of us. Thats a fact.

But the pro scouts are saying Fultz far and above the best prospect in this draft including the Sixers who just traded for him.

Danny right now is the outlier

I get that. But my point is Danny knows better than we do. We can disagree with the decision, but his decision was made with insight we do not have, regardless how much we delude ourselves into thinking we do. Thinking Danny was wrong, and we are right, when it comes to this decision is just typical Boston stubbornness. The rest of the country sees it. Look up twitter, way more people are bitching about us making moves than laughing at us.

It also astounds me that people have lost sleep over this, as if it's dominating their thoughts for 12 strait hours. It's just basketball.

Something good may come out of this. The entire fustration here amounts to us wanting and expecting something, and then not getting what we want.

Do I think we would be better off with Fultz? Yes. But smarter people than me in the industry think we won't be, and I'm not prideful enough to call them wrong anymore. And frankly, I don't care enough, and I've been a die hard fan since 2003 at 11 yrs old. There's a difference between being a hardcore fan who is emotionally invested and a hardcore fan who is personally invested.

The pros of our team disagree with us. Time to accept the situation, accept the fustrations and the way we feel about this, hope for the best, and move on.

[SparringPartner]

After getting a little sleep and logically thinking about it, this is pretty simple and people are overthinking it way too much. Bottom line is Ainge wasn't in love with Fultz at #1. He knew he could get "the guy" he wants at #3. And why not get an additional asset in the meantime. I don't see him trading it for PG or Butler. Not happening. If he would, he would have done it at the trade deadline. As for why did he do it now? Perhaps the Sixers put a deadline on it? Maybe he's gonna make other moves involving players. Who knows? But this is clear cut, IMO. He likes someone he can get at #3, add an asset and create some cap space for FA.

Let me put this in perspective from where I'm sitting:

Danny just traded the next Kyrie Irving for Nicolas Batum. Batum is a really nice player. Athletic, skilled defensively, good in transition, and can score at times, but never will be an elite player.

For me, Fultz is going to tear it up and Jackson is going to be a solid starter. That is not prospects that are close in ability like Danny apparently is saying.

If you disagree with my evaluation, fine, but if you agree, you'd be flipping out too because a Kyrie Irving type on this team would help this team take a huge leap forward.

Lol - he hasn't drafted Jackson YET! Do you think Ainge would make this trade with Philly 4days before the draft not knowing he couldn't get "his" guy Jackson.

Pretty sure he's either COMPLETELY fine with whomever falls to 3 (Fultz, Jackson, Ball) or he doesn't give a **** about those guys because he's has something else in mind.


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[Wingy]

Actually a Bulls fan, but live in New England and root for the Cs to do well.

Surprised how many are freaking out over what Ainge just supposedly built in Philly. If anyone's trusting in Embiid's health then...umm...yeah. Good luck to ya. Plus now not one...but TWO dudes, who while extremely talented...couldn't get their team to the COLLEGE playoffs!!! College. School boys. With one of them unable to even launch his career due to injury.

Why again are Celtics fans quaking in their boots over "The Process"?? Hopefully it's cause they saw some Okafor defensive "highlights" and are laughing uncontrollably.

[jfs1000d]

Can we just win basketball games? Make the best team you can. Tear down when that team has peaked. Just win F'in games.


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[SparringPartner]

Has Ainge even met with Jackson? I think we worked out Tatum didn't we?

No Tatum workout yet

To date I believe it's;

Fultz, Isaac, DSJ then late first/second round prospects

There is a rumor out that Ainge wants to meet with Ball & Jackson before the draft


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[Gant]

Imagine if the next twist is the Celtics getting Ball at #3. It's a lot less far fetched than what just happened.

[ajones9219]

After getting a little sleep and logically thinking about it, this is pretty simple and people are overthinking it way too much. Bottom line is Ainge wasn't in love with Fultz at #1. He knew he could get "the guy" he wants at #3. And why not get an additional asset in the meantime. I don't see him trading it for PG or Butler. Not happening. If he would, he would have done it at the trade deadline. As for why did he do it now? Perhaps the Sixers put a deadline on it? Maybe he's gonna make other moves involving players. Who knows? But this is clear cut, IMO. He likes someone he can get at #3, add an asset and create some cap space for FA.

Let me put this in perspective from where I'm sitting:

Danny just traded the next Kyrie Irving for Nicolas Batum. Batum is a really nice player. Athletic, skilled defensively, good in transition, and can score at times, but never will be an elite player.

For me, Fultz is going to tear it up and Jackson is going to be a solid starter. That is not prospects that are close in ability like Danny apparently is saying.

If you disagree with my evaluation, fine, but if you agree, you'd be flipping out too because a Kyrie Irving type on this team would help this team take a huge leap forward.

Lol - he hasn't draft Jackson YET! Do you think Ainge would make this trade with Philly 4days before the draft not knowing he couldn't get "his" guy Jackson.

Pretty sure he's either COMPLETELY fine with whomever falls to 3 (Fultz, Jackson, Ball) or he doesn't give a **** about those guys because he's has something else in mind.


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True and I find it very hard to believe Ainge doesn't care who falls to 3

[SparringPartner]

Remember the time when all we had to do was keep the #1 pick and make the pick on draft night? Ah, life was so much simpler then haha. Now...

This is SO much more entertaining though!


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[KGboss]

All i can do is hope and pray.

Ive had a knot in my stomach all day. Happy fathers day Ainge you bastard.

[winsomme2]

But that's the thing. Logic ssys to trust the pro scouts over the evaluation of me or you. Danny knows ball better thwn of us. Thats a fact.

But the pro scouts are saying Fultz far and above the best prospect in this draft including the Sixers who just traded for him.

Danny right now is the outlier

Danny was the outlier on Oden vs Durant, too.

He may be wrong, he may be right. But I'd rather have the guy that has the balls to trust his gut than the weenie who only drafts consensus BPA.

Fair enough. But this time around we're talking Jackson and Tatum and they simply do nothing for me. Both have huge holes in their game at the offensive end and don't excel at anything.

Honestly, I'd rather he move on to a DSJ who actually has star skills.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Has Ainge even met with Jackson? I think we worked out Tatum didn't we?

No Tatum workout yet

To date I believe it's;

Fultz, Isaac, DSJ then late first/second round prospects

There is a rumor out that Ainge wants to meet with Ball & Jackson before the draft


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We worked out Tatum in LA. The only top 10 guys we haven't worked out are Jackson and Ball

[BigTrade92]

Actually a Bulls fan, but live in New England and root for the Cs to do well.

Surprised how many are freaking out over what Ainge just supposedly built in Philly. If anyone's trusting in Embiid's health then...umm...yeah. Good luck to ya. Plus now not one...but TWO dudes, who while extremely talented...couldn't get their team to the COLLEGE playoffs!!! College. School boys. With one of them unable to even launch his career due to injury.

Why again are Celtics fans quaking in their boots over "The Process"?? Hopefully it's cause they saw some Okafor defensive "highlights" and are laughing uncontrollably.

Jaylen Brown had an abysmal tournament showing. I fail to see how simply getting there reflects on how you play as a pro. Means nothing.

[London2Boston]

Think it'll be

Fultz (duh)
Jackson
Tatum
Ball

If Lakers are foolish enough to take Jackson and then we don't take Lonzo too...

[TheMartian]

Danny always wanted to trade this years Brooklyn pick, plus several others for Justice Winslow.

Danny isn't god. He makes questionable moves. This is easily his most questionable move yet and on paper looks horrible.

He just build a stacked team in Philly and STILL let them off the hook by keeping one of the Sacramento or Lakers picks. So they'll soon enough be ADDING to that core. Horrible.

No, the BKN pick in question was 2016. If you're gunna blast someone for something that didn't happen, at least pick the right rumor.

I never claimed he was god, so congrats on the strawman.

Ainge had Tatum above Fultz. Rather than picking Tatum 1, he traded down to get him for a cheaper salary while adding a future asset. The same posters criticizing him for the trade would be crucifying him for drafting Tatum and not trading down.

I'm a Fultz nut hugger. I had him #1. But I could be wrong. I wish we got better value, but, this wasn't a bad deal.

Sure okay, he wanted to give up Jaylen Brown for Winslow, even better...

And I'm not claiming you specifically think Ainge is a god, meant it in a general sense to the Ainge apologists on here, blindly defending him like he does no wrong.

Good value is the 3rd, Sac AND the LAL pick. Getting only one, with protection, and moving down two spots is horrible. It's a fleecing.

Even if Ainge didn't want Fultz, teams still lusted after him, clearly. There was a better deal to be had. Heck, he could've held out another 4 days to get it. Heck, he could've drafted Fultz and used him as bait and Philly probably would've bitten.

Instead he settled for a drop down and a single protected lottery pick? WTF is that?

Even if there might have been better deals to be had, I think Ainge had his eyes on the LAL'18/SAC'19 picks which could both turn out to be even better players than Fultz.

[D1SGRUNTL3D]

Actually a Bulls fan, but live in New England and root for the Cs to do well.

Surprised how many are freaking out over what Ainge just supposedly built in Philly. If anyone's trusting in Embiid's health then...umm...yeah. Good luck to ya. Plus now not one...but TWO dudes, who while extremely talented...couldn't get their team to the COLLEGE playoffs!!! College. School boys. With one of them unable to even launch his career due to injury.

Why again are Celtics fans quaking in their boots over "The Process"?? Hopefully it's cause they saw some Okafor defensive "highlights" and are laughing uncontrollably.

Ha. Forgot about Simmons not getting LSU to the tournament.

[Fidel Sarcasmo]

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If you guys go down to the 4th post to the bottom of the page apparently Boston had serious concerns about Fultz being a winner. Too many red flags there to pick him at #1."

Also I'm watching sportscenter and at about 10:23 am eastern time there's supposed to be a discussion of should Fultz go #1?

I see those concerns too. That was my same gut feeling but just to play devils advocate. Marcus smart is a winner and a leader and has grit and hunger and he can't put the ball through the effing hoop. So...

That's why this stings for so many, cause our team is tough and won 53 games with toughness plus IT. IT needs offensive talent around him, not just gritty guys. AB for as good as he is always tries to dunk the ball because he has no finesse to lay it up. Can't tell you how many times he's missed layups. I could go down the list.

[The Corey's]

Have I missed anything significant since my meltdown?

[Froob]

Have I missed anything significant since my meltdown?

Ainge was fired.

[ConstableGeneva]

Think it'll be

Fultz (duh)
Jackson
Tatum
Ball

If Lakers are foolish enough to take Jackson and then we don't take Lonzo too...

I can't tell if this is a gif.