Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 2

[K For Three]

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The only solution I can see to ease minds, save lives and to make society feel more normal again is to increase testing dramatically. Also would help if in the coming months they can get a test from home available for everyone.

Isolate those who are sick and keep testing those who have been positive.

Make it more available everywhere.

I can't see another solution right now since a vaccine is going to take a long long time and no drug is a miracle "one size fits" all cure. Since this virus seems to effect a large amount of people too in different ways.

So get cracking on testing and make it better!!!!!!!

[K For Three]

I'm not saying this is what happened to Marcus Smart (is probably a big coincidence), but I remember feeling a bit freaked out when he had that horrible eye infection for a few weeks and wasn't even at times allowed to have contact with the Celtics. And we know he later tested positive. Of course it didn't help it was around the same time too Kemba had the terrible case of the flu.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/chinese-doctors-report-coronavirus-can-survive-in-the-human-eye-625505

Coronavirus may live longer in one's eye than in other parts of the body, according to a Chinese report cited by Channel 13. The report stated that a Chinese woman was carrying the virus in her eye, while her nose was clear.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/22/coronavirus-was-in-patients-eyes-for-at-least-20-days-report/

A coronavirus patient in Italy had traces of the infectious pathogen in her eyes — long after the illness had been cleared from her nose, according to researchers.

The 65-year-old patient, who was Italy’s first confirmed case, showed signs of conjunctivitis, or pink eye, after being admitted Jan. 23 to a hospital, according to a report in the journal Annals of Internal Medicine.

On the third day she was at the hospital, she submitted an eye swab which found detectable levels of viral particles, the researchers said.

She continued to receive eye swabs throughout her hospital stint that determined the virus had been replicating, indicating that her eyes could be contagious, the report said.

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The only solution I can see to ease minds, save lives and to make society feel more normal again is to increase testing dramatically. Also would help if in the coming months they can get a test from home available for everyone.

Isolate those who are sick and keep testing those who have been positive.

Make it more available everywhere.

I can't see another solution right now since a vaccine is going to take a long long time and no drug is a miracle "one size fits" all cure. Since this virus seems to effect a large amount of people too in different ways.

So get cracking on testing and make it better!!!!!!!

For a young, non-medical person, I am VERY impressed by your insight. :0)

Beyond Covid-19 possibly surging again this summer in part because ameba-brains are prematurely opening their states, I sure as **** hope that we have maximized PPE, vents, hospital bed/ICU capacity, therapeutic options which clearly mitigate disease severity, & TESTING OUT THE **** WAZOO for viral RNA, meaningful serology for IgG antibodies in sufficient titer to provide long term immunity & viral antigen in the nose (under development).

This whole thing is a historic cluster ****. Otherworldly. Very very very depressing,

PS I just watched Games 4 & 6 from the 2008 Finals on ESPN & had an athletic orgasm. The Truth was easily a Top 5-10 player in his prime. He outplayed Kobe & Lebron on multiple occasions.

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This would be **** great if confirmed in properly performed studies.

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/929189

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And this is where the NBA has been speculated to want to plop all the NBA players.

What could possibly go wrong telling a large group of young multi millionaires to stay in their hotels all the time in.....Vegas?

People as stupid as the Vegas mayor should be permanently quarantined inside a cactus.

[K For Three]

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The only solution I can see to ease minds, save lives and to make society feel more normal again is to increase testing dramatically. Also would help if in the coming months they can get a test from home available for everyone.

Isolate those who are sick and keep testing those who have been positive.

Make it more available everywhere.

I can't see another solution right now since a vaccine is going to take a long long time and no drug is a miracle "one size fits" all cure. Since this virus seems to effect a large amount of people too in different ways.

So get cracking on testing and make it better!!!!!!!

For a young, non-medical person, I am VERY impressed by your insight. :0)

Beyond Covid-19 possibly surging again this summer in part because ameba-brains are prematurely opening their states, I sure as **** hope that we have maximized PPE, vents, hospital bed/ICU capacity, therapeutic options which clearly mitigate disease severity, & TESTING OUT THE **** WAZOO for viral RNA, meaningful serology for IgG antibodies in sufficient titer to provide long term immunity & viral antigen in the nose (under development).

This whole thing is a historic cluster ****. Otherworldly. Very very very depressing,

PS I just watched Games 4 & 6 from the 2008 Finals on ESPN & had an athletic orgasm. The Truth was easily a Top 5-10 player in his prime. He outplayed Kobe & Lebron on multiple occasions.

I was actually believe it or not pre-med my first year at Boston College. I had a deep fascination once with becoming a doctor, or just learning more about it all. I had to pull out though of pre-med sadly due to the work load I was experiencing. (my chem class was literally 3 classes in one with a test every Friday, lolz) My initial passion was actually in medicine, mostly wanting to then become a psychiatrist......so in a way I admire you all who stuck with it and were able to get degrees and careers in the medical field. But to become a psychiatrist you had to go through real pre-med schooling since they prescribe medications. Ugh.

I then switched to liberal arts psychology (not pre-med) full time for a year but still was shocked to find how heavy the math and statistic classes were. And they also had me working on the side one semester for a post grad student at Harvard who drove me nuts.

Then finally my junior year I said "I have to be able to feed myself someday" so I applied to the BC Carroll School of Management and then did only business and communication classes my final few years.

So yeah K For Three can be uber silly but actually did some serious education once.


This virus is a trip though and so are the constant battles to see what sorts of drugs will work. Since every drug mentioned is not working for "everyone" but just in select groups!!!!!!! Our immune systems react differently to the environment anyway.....and it seems to also be reacting to this virus differently.

I can't see any sort of real cure happening anytime soon so the only thing I can think of is to just massively test people and allow us a chance in coming months to hopefully develop an easier way to do it for the general public.

PS I just watched Games 4 & 6 from the 2008 Finals on ESPN & had an athletic orgasm. The Truth was easily a Top 5-10 player in his prime. He outplayed Kobe & Lebron on multiple occasions.

I happened to see some of that on tonight on the side. It is still so surreal to see Kobe out there. And often yeah I think Pierce didn't get the credit he deserved but he was a cold blooded monster.

[K For Three]

I still have no idea how they are doing it. They must feel their lives are on the line every single day and they are.

So I ask for general public testing to be more readily available and sometimes it feels like a lost cause since even essential workers we desperately depend on have issues getting a test.

It baffles me though, I just don't always buy you can have this illness without "a" symptom. Even if it's just fatigue or anything else that seems unusual but that might not be listed as "cough/shortness of breath/fever". People said Gobert had no symptoms but he admitted he lost his sense of taste for a while which to me certainly qualifies as "a symptom".

And I still want to know what the hell was going on with Smart's eye infection. When he did return he looked thinner and was not himself for a while on the court.

[Parliament10]

I still have no idea how they are doing it. They must feel their lives are on the line every single day and they are.

So I ask for general public testing to be more readily available and sometimes it feels like a lost cause since even essential workers we desperately depend on have issues getting a test.

It baffles me though, I just don't always buy you can have this illness without "a" symptom. Even if it's just fatigue or anything else that seems unusual but that might not be listed as "cough/shortness of breath/fever". People said Gobert had no symptoms but he admitted he lost his sense of taste for a while which to me certainly qualifies as "a symptom".

And I still want to know what the hell was going on with Smart's eye infection. When he did return he looked thinner and was not himself for a while on the court.

"Pink Eye" is one of the symptoms. I believe that it may be related to Smart's COVID-19 diagnosis.

[K For Three]

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I still have no idea how they are doing it. They must feel their lives are on the line every single day and they are.

So I ask for general public testing to be more readily available and sometimes it feels like a lost cause since even essential workers we desperately depend on have issues getting a test.

It baffles me though, I just don't always buy you can have this illness without "a" symptom. Even if it's just fatigue or anything else that seems unusual but that might not be listed as "cough/shortness of breath/fever". People said Gobert had no symptoms but he admitted he lost his sense of taste for a while which to me certainly qualifies as "a symptom".

And I still want to know what the hell was going on with Smart's eye infection. When he did return he looked thinner and was not himself for a while on the court

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"Pink Eye" is one of the symptoms. I believe that it may be related to Smart's COVID-19 diagnosis.

That would depend on how long we believe this virus has been around to some degree, already reports a few died in California now from it before the first death from covid in the country was officially reported.
I think it might be unrelated to the eventual diagnosis for Smart, but this eye infection sounded BAD. Only thing to make you wonder to some degree is just because NBA players are or were constantly traveling.

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2019/12/26/celtics-marcus-smart-eye-infection-blind-conjunctivitis-nba/

Marcus Smart traveled with the Celtics for their Christmas Day win over the Raptors in Toronto, a welcome sight for his teammates and Boston fans. Smart has now missed seven games with a nasty case of viral conjunctivitis, but as the Celtics guard explained Wednesday, the situation could have been a whole lot worse.

Smart has been sidelined since Dec. 6, when an allergic reaction and a really bad cold took a turn for the worse. He soon developed a virus that led to the infection in his eye, which soon spread to both eyes. As Smart explained from the Scotiabank Arena locker room in Toronto on Wednesday, doctors were concerned that he may lose his sight.

“I thought I was going to go blind for a while. I think it was the worst case of viral conjunctivitis that they’ve seen,” Smart explained. “So, basically, I was a guinea pig to see how to handle this if it ever happens again to anybody else. … It was the worst pain that I’ve been through in a very long time. I don’t wish it on anybody.”

I mean what?

“I actually have a picture that I showed the guys. It was pretty gross. I was bleeding tears every time they did it, for like a day,” said Smart. “They did that for about four days straight. The first day was probably the worst, just because it built up so much that it started to scab under my eyelids, and they had to open the scab and then pull it out. It felt like they were putting needles in my eyes. They were using tweezers and vise grips to hold my eyes and actually get into my eyelids, the bottom and top.

I had a few pink eyes in the past, usually the drops clear it up in a few days.

Then to make it worse......

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2020/01/boston-celtics-kemba-walker-getting-back-to-himself-after-having-the-flu-really-just-took-a-lot-out-of-me.html

MILWAUKEE -- The Boston Celtics’ locker room has dealt with several physical challenges over the last few weeks, including a grueling schedule, tough travel (with two near-impossible road back-to-backs against the Philadelphia 76ers and Milwaukee Bucks in the last two weeks) and nagging injuries to several members of their rotation.

But the biggest physical challenge might have been the illnesses, which swept through the locker room. Marcus Smart missed most of December and said he nearly lost vision from a pair of eye infections. Romeo Langford missed time. Jaylen Brown forked over a game due to a sinus issue. And most recently, Kemba Walker was absent three games as he dealt with a nasty strain of the flu.

Walker was asked about the process of getting back to himself, following his illness.

“It really just took a lot out of me,” he said. “It still has. I don’t want to make any excuses. That’s not the kind of person I am. But it just is what it is. I lost some weight, I gotta gain it back.

Granted in NE these bugs can float around like wildfire any winter (which is why we can't let up on this covid even if it slows down in the summer) but this C's team did seem to be hit hard.

You sometimes wonder what the hell has been floating around out there.

Adam Silver admits more then reported have had covid in the NBA but due to privacy, not everyone has revealed it.

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2020/04/coronavirus-nba-league-has-more-than-reported-number-of-positive-covid-19-cases.html

NBA Commissioner Adam Silver revealed on Friday that the number of positive COVID-19 tests is higher than the original reported number of seven, but the identities of those who have tested positive will remain private.

“While the number is greater than the initial report... for privacy reasons we are not reporting any other tests,” Silver told reporters on a Friday evening conference call.

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I sure as **** hope that we have maximized PPE, vents, hospital bed/ICU capacity, therapeutic options which clearly mitigate disease severity, & TESTING OUT THE **** WAZOO for viral RNA, meaningful serology for IgG antibodies in sufficient titer to provide long term immunity & viral antigen in the nose (under development).

We're going to need to start producing more of our own medical equipment rather than farming it out to China if we want to avoid this in the future:

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/491119-momentum-grows-to-change-medical-supply-chain-from-china

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Begged for weeks? Seems far fetched. I was just at Yale for 2 days because my son decided to jump off the side of our stairs and he landed head first on the hard tile.

They weren't turning anyone away. They scanned myself and my son at the door before we even got in the building.

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The only solution I can see to ease minds, save lives and to make society feel more normal again is to increase testing dramatically. Also would help if in the coming months they can get a test from home available for everyone.

Isolate those who are sick and keep testing those who have been positive.

Make it more available everywhere.

I can't see another solution right now since a vaccine is going to take a long long time and no drug is a miracle "one size fits" all cure. Since this virus seems to effect a large amount of people too in different ways.

So get cracking on testing and make it better!!!!!!!

For a young, non-medical person, I am VERY impressed by your insight. :0)

Beyond Covid-19 possibly surging again this summer in part because ameba-brains are prematurely opening their states, I sure as **** hope that we have maximized PPE, vents, hospital bed/ICU capacity, therapeutic options which clearly mitigate disease severity, & TESTING OUT THE **** WAZOO for viral RNA, meaningful serology for IgG antibodies in sufficient titer to provide long term immunity & viral antigen in the nose (under development).

This whole thing is a historic cluster ****. Otherworldly. Very very very depressing,

PS I just watched Games 4 & 6 from the 2008 Finals on ESPN & had an athletic orgasm. The Truth was easily a Top 5-10 player in his prime. He outplayed Kobe & Lebron on multiple occasions.

I was actually believe it or not pre-med my first year at Boston College. I had a deep fascination once with becoming a doctor, or just learning more about it all. I had to pull out though of pre-med sadly due to the work load I was experiencing. (my chem class was literally 3 classes in one with a test every Friday, lolz) My initial passion was actually in medicine, mostly wanting to then become a psychiatrist......so in a way I admire you all who stuck with it and were able to get degrees and careers in the medical field. But to become a psychiatrist you had to go through real pre-med schooling since they prescribe medications. Ugh.

I then switched to liberal arts psychology (not pre-med) full time for a year but still was shocked to find how heavy the math and statistic classes were. And they also had me working on the side one semester for a post grad student at Harvard who drove me nuts.

Then finally my junior year I said "I have to be able to feed myself someday" so I applied to the BC Carroll School of Management and then did only business and communication classes my final few years.

So yeah K For Three can be uber silly but actually did some serious education once.


This virus is a trip though and so are the constant battles to see what sorts of drugs will work. Since every drug mentioned is not working for "everyone" but just in select groups!!!!!!! Our immune systems react differently to the environment anyway.....and it seems to also be reacting to this virus differently.

I can't see any sort of real cure happening anytime soon so the only thing I can think of is to just massively test people and allow us a chance in coming months to hopefully develop an easier way to do it for the general public.

PS I just watched Games 4 & 6 from the 2008 Finals on ESPN & had an athletic orgasm. The Truth was easily a Top 5-10 player in his prime. He outplayed Kobe & Lebron on multiple occasions.

I happened to see some of that on tonight on the side. It is still so surreal to see Kobe out there. And often yeah I think Pierce didn't get the credit he deserved but he was a cold blooded monster.

Two things:

1. I forgot to edit the primary paragraph in my original post.

“Beyond Covid-19 possibly surging again this summer in part because ameba-brains are prematurely opening their states, I sure as **** hope that we have maximized PPE, vents, hospital bed/ICU capacity, therapeutic options which clearly mitigate disease severity, & TESTING OUT THE **** WAZOO for viral RNA, meaningful serology for IgG antibodies in sufficient titer to provide long term immunity & viral antigen in the nose (under development)”...BEFORE THE HUGE SECOND WAVE OF COVID-19 HITS IN 12/2020-1/2021 - THIS TIME CONTEMPORANEOUS WITH THE PEAK INCIDENCE OF INFLUENZA (PS - DO NOT NOT NOT NOT MISS GETTING YOUR ANNUAL FLU SHOT THIS FALL!)

2. I think (& certainly hope) that we will have evidence of therapeutic efficacy & adequate safety for a couple of drugs before next winter. The issue is VERY complex. Some drugs will/may prove to be maximally efficacious prophylactically (pre or post exposure), some early on in the disease/with mild disease, & some hopefully (& sadly much less likely) with serious/profound disease. Also, different people seem to experience different immune responses to COVID-19 - inadequate (bad), appropriate & excessive (bad - so-called highly destructive ‘cytokine storm’).

PS In actuality, my pre-med exposure at Williams prepared me barely at all for medical school at Duke. And yes, if you had completed pre-med at BC, you would then have been exposed to every major specialty of medicine in medical school before being allowed to focus on psychiatry during your final year & then during a multi-year post-medical school psychiatry residency - a very long haul.

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If we were to take these numbers at face value, and compare against confirmed/suspected/projected deaths, the statewide data would indicate a mortality rate of about 1%, and the NYC data would indicate a mortality rate of about 2%.

Combined with date from elsewhere, I would be led to believe that the true mortality rate is likely below 1%, possibly as low as 0.5%, with lots of deaths in NYC resulting at least in part from a lack of adequate resources, socioeconomic factors, do not resuscitate orders, maybe pollution, etc. The key question perhaps is whether increased exposure can result in increased viral loads that can result in a higher mortality rate.

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Begged for weeks? Seems far fetched. I was just at Yale for 2 days because my son decided to jump off the side of our stairs and he landed head first on the hard tile.

They weren't turning anyone away. They scanned myself and my son at the door before we even got in the building.

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If you're not a minority in Detroit who was trying to get tested and treated for COVID-19, I'm not sure how relevant your experience is.

But hopefully your son is doing alright.

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Some study in China is saying there are now at least 30 strains of covid-19. Not cool, man.

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[threrf23]

Some study in China is saying there are now at least 30 strains of covid-19. Not cool, man.

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[threrf23]

Random thought though: could weaker strains serve as a vaccine against the stronger ones?