Hayward Likely to OPT-IN to final year of contract!

[big-shot-ROB]

I'd be a little pissed with Hayward if he left or is seriously considering leaving because he just doesn't like it here anymore.

While the fanbase hasn't been very kind to him, the organization hasn't shown him anything less than its full support. Would suck to lose him.

Anyway, 4/90 is my offer. If he wants more than that, then he can either opt out or wait until next year.

[MagicBagley18]

If he wants a Horford deal, that's a tough pill to swallow IMO

Haha, you got called out for being a lurker. Nyah nyah!

I like the dude and appreciate the insights, and I don't link him over here. If you read their past posts, the track record is actually not that good, but they are humble and honest about how raw the intel is in a dynamic landscape. I've read enough of it in real time to know that they aren't talking out of their ass. The other one over there is good, too.

The rest of them should be aware that we've had like 4-5 better insiders here, though. Scoops for days on some of the biggest trades and free agent signings in league history. Yuuuuuuup. I know that they said, "Celtics suck" and all, but I'm feeling warm and fuzzy towards Georgia atm so we can let that slide. Georgia is usually on the wrong side of blowing big leads, after all.

Hayward a good add for them, and losing him would not be good for us. Maybe we get the TPE if it happens? Hawks might also be getting used to set his market/trade value, though. Hmm.

lol you know we welcome you over on the Squawk Supes is a awesome dude and is very generous with his time and inside info. Im still not sure how i feel about Hayward as our big get im actually a bit underwhelmed and dissapointed. He's not a bad player by any means im just not to thrilled with how much it seems he is wanting and were going to have to spend. I personally would prefer Jrue Holiday myself but after looking up Haywards numbers he is a MUCHHHHHHH better defender than i remember thinking of him. Thats exactly the type of player we need on this team. Just would need to see how much it costs and hopefully get him for around 4/65 or 4/70. If he wants more than that im not sure it would be a win for us in the end.

Hayward is a good player. Really is. He’s a serviceable and willing defender. his injuries have hurt his lateral movement some but his effort is always there and better than people give him credit for. He’s a great playmaker and facilitator - it is just health with him now and it’s a major concern.

If I was a hawks fan I’d def be intrigued but not as an over pay or over the 22-25 mark tbh. I understand there’s a push for the post season and to make Trae happy but still

[Captain_Caveman]

If he wants a Horford deal, that's a tough pill to swallow IMO

Haha, you got called out for being a lurker. Nyah nyah!

I like the dude and appreciate the insights, and I don't link him over here. If you read their past posts, the track record is actually not that good, but they are humble and honest about how raw the intel is in a dynamic landscape. I've read enough of it in real time to know that they aren't talking out of their ass. The other one over there is good, too.

The rest of them should be aware that we've had like 4-5 better insiders here, though. Scoops for days on some of the biggest trades and free agent signings in league history. Yuuuuuuup. I know that they said, "Celtics suck" and all, but I'm feeling warm and fuzzy towards Georgia atm so we can let that slide. Georgia is usually on the wrong side of blowing big leads, after all.

Hayward a good add for them, and losing him would not be good for us. Maybe we get the TPE if it happens? Hawks might also be getting used to set his market/trade value, though. Hmm.

lol you know we welcome you over on the Squawk Supes is a awesome dude and is very generous with his time and inside info. Im still not sure how i feel about Hayward as our big get im actually a bit underwhelmed and dissapointed. He's not a bad player by any means im just not to thrilled with how much it seems he is wanting and were going to have to spend. I personally would prefer Jrue Holiday myself but after looking up Haywards numbers he is a MUCHHHHHHH better defender than i remember thinking of him. Thats exactly the type of player we need on this team. Just would need to see how much it costs and hopefully get him for around 4/65 or 4/70. If he wants more than that im not sure it would be a win for us in the end.

Hayward is a swiss army knife and very good add for you. Super versatile and solid fundamentally. Always makes the right decision and keeps the ball moving. Depending on the rest of the big picture, I would go 3y/85-90 over 4y/100m, depending on how guaranteed the 4th year is. I don't think a young team should bank on his health for four years, if possible.

[Captain_Caveman]

If he wants a Horford deal, that's a tough pill to swallow IMO

Haha, you got called out for being a lurker. Nyah nyah!

I like the dude and appreciate the insights, and I don't link him over here. If you read their past posts, the track record is actually not that good, but they are humble and honest about how raw the intel is in a dynamic landscape. I've read enough of it in real time to know that they aren't talking out of their ass. The other one over there is good, too.

The rest of them should be aware that we've had like 4-5 better insiders here, though. Scoops for days on some of the biggest trades and free agent signings in league history. Yuuuuuuup. I know that they said, "Celtics suck" and all, but I'm feeling warm and fuzzy towards Georgia atm so we can let that slide. Georgia is usually on the wrong side of blowing big leads, after all.

Hayward a good add for them, and losing him would not be good for us. Maybe we get the TPE if it happens? Hawks might also be getting used to set his market/trade value, though. Hmm.

I did? Haha dang, well, like you, I'm not going to trash GA for how they voted this year.

And haha Cave I see what you're doing there, Mr. KD to the Warriors way before anyone else and Kawhi to LAC, those were impressive, and reload 2017-2019 was on a **** tear insider-wise and The Comedian and Captain Green are talking the mantle. Ddb, Bfb (it's been a long time with him), Lbf, we've got a crew here.

It would be a good add, but that's no question too much dough for him. Supes said we want 4/60 or 4/65 for him which is a little low IMO. Supes seems to think he leaves for nothing which sucks, like man would the Hawks really not take a late 1st for that TPE?

If Hayward leaves, I know a lot of people will want to start Marcus Smart, but personally I'd rather start Grant. Also Supes says that the Celtics are "fine" with losing GH but the other guy said we almost want him gone at this point.

Also, we want Baynes back. WE WANT BAYNES BACK PEOPLE, SOUND THE **** ALARMS!!! Though it'll probably be tough to get him, teams like the Clips/Rockets/Suns/etc. all want him too.

I was thinking more reload, ddb, and lbf. ddb giving play-by-play on the KG trade in real time in 2007 was incredible.

My Trump/election stuff not bad, though. Probably the first on the internet to relay that he had COVID.

[Captain_Caveman]

Here I am willing to give Hayward 4/100 with last year partially guaranteed. If Hawks are only willing to give him that much above, then he ain't leaving the Cs.

Yes, that is clear. To beat 4/60 or 4/70, he'd basically just have to do better than an MLE next year.

[Captain_Caveman]

Also, since it got lost in the shuffle, I did hear of a Hayward trade to another team. It is entirely possible that the Hawks are being used to set Gordon's FA market value as part of that deal or a similar one. Fans of other teams like to make fun of Ainge for being a junk peddler, but be advised that anything associated with Boston in the NBA offseason is swimming with the sharks.

Their insider is pretty clear, but perhaps not clear enough, that it is all raw intel. Teams and agents alike are talking to everyone about pretty much everything, because their jobs are to define the value of their assets and the range of options that will be available to them in these whirlwind moments of the draft, free agency, and the trade deadline. That is how it works. The signal to noise ratio on that raw intel is not great more than a week or so out from those moments of whirlwind, as the thread on that board clearly shows.

Also, in my experience, team sources tend to be biased and overly optimistic towards the interests of their franchises, and the information they have on hand at any given moment. It is fun for discussion's sake, but it is a decidedly dynamic landscape out there, subject to change at any and all times.

[themoneyteam2]

Time to rename this thread

[GoCeltics123]

FWIW, if Hayward is traded, I would guess it's the Blazers. Pacers I still don't see

[themoneyteam2]

I mean if all this is true that he's gonna opt out, Celtics are gonna get screwed and there's no way around it. You're losing him for nothing.

Last year with Horford doing the same they still had cap space to sign a max guy. This year they lose Hayward and add nothing. Would be an absolutely brutal blow.

[Curmudgeon]

FWIW, if Hayward is traded, I would guess it's the Blazers. Pacers I still don't see

Why not? Indiana is where he and his wife want to be, and the Pacers have two serviceable centers. I don't see the Blazers giving up Nurkic, and without him, the return would be unattractive. We don't need C.J. McCollum or Trevor Ariza.

I'm fairly confident that Ainge will not move Hayward for a potpourri of lesser players.

[MagicBagley18]

FWIW, if Hayward is traded, I would guess it's the Blazers. Pacers I still don't see

Why not? Indiana is where he and his wife want to be, and the Pacers have two serviceable centers. I don't see the Blazers giving up Nurkic, and without him, the return would be unattractive. We don't need C.J. McCollum or Trevor Ariza.

I'm fairly confident that Ainge will not move Hayward for a potpourri of lesser players.

It’s not up to ainge to move Hayward or not if Hayward opts out and the hawks are going to lock him up long term.

[GoCeltics123]

I mean if all this is true that he's gonna opt out, Celtics are gonna get screwed and there's no way around it. You're losing him for nothing.

Last year with Horford doing the same they still had cap space to sign a max guy. This year they lose Hayward and add nothing. Would be an absolutely brutal blow.

You get a higher mid-level, but yeah, that's it.

[Feed Your Head]

Let’s hope Jaylen is working on his handles and playmaking.

[reload141]

Not buying the Hayward to Atlanta stuff, but that's just me.

Agree with Cave that if anything they are being used as leverage to get a bigger contract.

[SuperDeluxe]

I mean if all this is true that he's gonna opt out, Celtics are gonna get screwed and there's no way around it. You're losing him for nothing.

Last year with Horford doing the same they still had cap space to sign a max guy. This year they lose Hayward and add nothing. Would be an absolutely brutal blow.

Well, when Horford signed with the Celtics he left Atlanta empty-handed. This would the Hawks' chance to get a little revenge.

Also, Hayward did the same thing to the Jazz. I can't see why he wouldn't do the same thing again if it's in his best interest. He needs to feed an army of kids, and he probably has more coming—that guy is relentless.

Having said that, my guess is that this time he'll work something out with the Celtics.

[reload141]

Also, since it got lost in the shuffle, I did hear of a Hayward trade to another team. It is entirely possible that the Hawks are being used to set Gordon's FA market value as part of that deal or a similar one. Fans of other teams like to make fun of Ainge for being a junk peddler, but be advised that anything associated with Boston in the NBA offseason is swimming with the sharks.

Their insider is pretty clear, but perhaps not clear enough, that it is all raw intel. Teams and agents alike are talking to everyone about pretty much everything, because their jobs are to define the value of their assets and the range of options that will be available to them in these whirlwind moments of the draft, free agency, and the trade deadline. That is how it works. The signal to noise ratio on that raw intel is not great more than a week or so out from those moments of whirlwind, as the thread on that board clearly shows.

Also, in my experience, team sources tend to be biased and overly optimistic towards the interests of their franchises, and the information they have on hand at any given moment. It is fun for discussion's sake, but it is a decidedly dynamic landscape out there, subject to change at any and all times.

I'd also like to just point this out too as how extreme a situation can change at ANY given time, and I know a lot of you have read this but I'll just say it again;

I was walking to the train station for work when I found out that we had the Paul George from Indy to Boston trade agreed to. I couldn't have had any more rock solid, 100% clarification. Both parties agreed to the trade and were happy.

Next minute the deal was niched by Pritchard and they went with the OKC deal.

We were completely blindsided by it. So again, even when trades are even agreed to and you're 100% sure it's going to happen it can fall apart.

[threrf23]

I clearly don't have any insider info, but I do know that Atlanta holds the #6 pick, and that is likely how this all got started. Atlanta won't agree to a specific trade unless Hayward agrees to an extension. Whether or not Gordo wants to end up in ATL, he is likely at least curious to know what their offer is.

[grindtime22]

I clearly don't have any insider info, but I do know that Atlanta holds the #6 pick, and that is likely how this all got started. Atlanta won't agree to a specific trade unless Hayward agrees to an extension. Whether or not Gordo wants to end up in ATL, he is likely at least curious to know what their offer is.

I don't see how that would be connected to 6 in any way unless it is part of a larger deal that is paying for that pick. Atlanta shouldn't give Boston any compensation to get Hayward on a multiyear deal. If Atlanta and Hayward are having extension conversations, there is no reason to include Boston. We would have to do something for them just to get a TPE, if we valued that.

[threrf23]

I don't see how that would be connected to 6 in any way unless it is part of a larger deal that is paying for that pick. Atlanta shouldn't give Boston any compensation to get Hayward on a multiyear deal. If Atlanta and Hayward are having extension conversations, there is no reason to include Boston. We would have to do something for them just to get a TPE, if we valued that.

idk, it just feels more sensible to me that our front office approached ATL in regards to the #6 pick, as opposed to ATL reaching out to (tampering with?) Hayward without any indication that he planned to opt out. The former is likely the catalyst for whatever is going on rn, IMO.

[themoneyteam2]

I mean if all this is true that he's gonna opt out, Celtics are gonna get screwed and there's no way around it. You're losing him for nothing.

Last year with Horford doing the same they still had cap space to sign a max guy. This year they lose Hayward and add nothing. Would be an absolutely brutal blow.

Well, when Horford signed with the Celtics he left Atlanta empty-handed. This would the Hawks' chance to get a little revenge.

Also, Hayward did the same thing to the Jazz. I can't see why he wouldn't do the same thing again if it's in his best interest. He needs to feed an army of kids, and he probably has more coming—that guy is relentless.

Having said that, my guess is that this time he'll work something out with the Celtics.

Oh no doubt it's a business at the end of the day. No need for Hayward to do the Celtics a favor and be loyal.

All I was saying was that If he opts out and signs a max deal that's an absolutely brutal blow for Boston since they lose him for nothing and don't have that cap space to add a max guy.