Craft your 2022-23 Celtics Roster – (20-Man Off-Season)

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2 names to keep on the radar.

Kenyon Martin Jr
Nic Claxton

Kenyon Martin Jr wants trade off the Rockets:

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Nets unlikely to match mid level offer to Nic Claxton:

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[CelticsPride18]

2 names to keep on the radar.

Kenyon Martin Jr
Nic Claxton

Kenyon Martin Jr wants trade off the Rockets:

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Nets unlikely to match mid level offer to Nic Claxton:

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We are headed for a lockout. Players like Kenyon Martin Jr demanding trades is not good for the league.

[Hal14]

2 names to keep on the radar.

Kenyon Martin Jr
Nic Claxton

Kenyon Martin Jr wants trade off the Rockets:

Read on Twitter

Nets unlikely to match mid level offer to Nic Claxton:

Read on Twitter

We are headed for a lockout. Players like Kenyon Martin Jr demanding trades is not good for the league.

IDK, I think it's just the state of affairs. Look at college basketball. These last 2 years have been record setting in terms if number of players transferring from 1 college to another.

It's just the way it is these days, in NBA, college basketball, overseas pro leagues. If a player doesn't like their situation with the team they're on, they jump ship for greener pastures.

The rockets these last few years have been especially volatile, though. Wood wanted out so they just traded him to dallas. Oladipo wasn't happy there, Harden wanted out. Theis seemed like he was ecstatic to get out of there..

[chrisab123]

Bradley Beal is looking at signing a 245million/5 year contract

He will never be a Celtic

Unless Tatum has made it clear that Beal is needed in order for him to stay. In that scenario Beal gets his money in Boston.

[Spin Move]

Beal creates challanges if we are able to aquire him for something other then Tatum/Brown/Smart/Timelord. But those are challanges I would love to try and Solve. It would ease the scoring burdon on Tatum and Brown and give us 3 real scoreres. Add a midlevel guy to replace who you traded out and you are set.

White/Thies/Nesmith/Pritchard/Stauskas + picks for Beal get it done add midlevel, win a title, repeat.

PG Smart
SG Beal
SF Brown
PF Tatum
C RWIII

Horford/Grant/Midlevel siging lower level signing, bring Yam Over. Gonna need to add a couple FA's for Depth, but you can always have at least 1 of those 3 in all game and 2 in 75% of the time.

[Jammer]

I don't get the luv and salaries people are throwing around for Grant Williams.

For the same money you could probably get a more reliable playoff performer in 29 year old Otto Porter, Jr. (2013 #3 pick), who Golden State does not have Bird or Early Bird Rights to by virtue of a 1 year contract.

I'd much rather give $8 to $10 million to Porter (True Height 6' 7.5") and able to play either forward spot over Grant Williams (6' 5.75" with a VERY LIMITED offensive repertoire).

Porter could fit into one of the trade exceptions, and you wouldn't need to extend Grant.

[hugepatsfan]

If we can get Beal for White/Theis/Nesmith (requires him opting in)...

I'd still try to sign Otto Porter Jr. with the MLE. Not sure we can expect ownership to use TPEs though.

Beal / Smart
Brown / Pritchard
Tatum
OPJ / G Williams
R Williams / Horford

If Tatum/Brown/Beal/Smart each played 36 minutes in the playoff rotation, that's all 144 minutes you have to divide up at PG/SG/SF. So Pritchard gets the boot from the rotation for the playoffs.

Play OPJ and G Williams 20 minutes each at PF. Horford picks up the last 8 minutes there. Play Rob 28 minutes at the 5, and Horford for the other 20. Combined with the PF time, that gets Horford up to 28.

Fill in with the best vet min guys you can get around them, but you have a pretty set playoff rotation honestly with that group.

[djFan71]

TPE: Burks, Barton, Kennard, Huerter, etc. Scoring wings that should be available without a huge cost, if any.
TPMLE: OPJ, SloMo - shooting or at least connector big wings

If that's the "run it back" summer, that's still pretty darn good. And even if you don't lose any current salary doing it, you'd have lots of good stackable salary for the deadline / next summer.

[TatumMVP]

Smart/PP
Brown/Rozier
Tatum/B.Brown
Turner/Al
Rob.W

This team can win It all.

[brackdan70]

I don't get the luv and salaries people are throwing around for Grant Williams.

For the same money you could probably get a more reliable playoff performer in 29 year old Otto Porter, Jr. (2013 #3 pick), who Golden State does not have Bird or Early Bird Rights to by virtue of a 1 year contract.

I'd much rather give $8 to $10 million to Porter (True Height 6' 7.5") and able to play either forward spot over Grant Williams (6' 5.75" with a VERY LIMITED offensive repertoire).

Porter could fit into one of the trade exceptions, and you wouldn't need to extend Grant.

Part of the value equation is upside and fit. Grant has done a great job here and has room to improve. He is 23 yo.

[Parliament10]

Smart/PP
Brown/Rozier
Tatum/B.Brown
Turner/Al
Rob.W

This team can win It all.

Looks Good.
Needs a few more parts, though.

Rozier/Smart/PP
Brown/White
Tatum/B.Brown
Turner/Grant W.
Rob.W/Al

[Jammer]

I don't get the luv and salaries people are throwing around for Grant Williams.

For the same money you could probably get a more reliable playoff performer in 29 year old Otto Porter, Jr. (2013 #3 pick), who Golden State does not have Bird or Early Bird Rights to by virtue of a 1 year contract.

I'd much rather give $8 to $10 million to Porter (True Height 6' 7.5") and able to play either forward spot over Grant Williams (6' 5.75" with a VERY LIMITED offensive repertoire).

Porter could fit into one of the trade exceptions, and you wouldn't need to extend Grant.

Part of the value equation is upside and fit. Grant has done a great job here and has room to improve. He is 23 yo.

I don't see Grant getting more than $8M from anyone, and don't think that the Celtics should be spending more than $5 on Grant with the aspirations and results that they SHOULD have. I'm talking talent upgrade at Backup PF ABSOLUTELY necessary. Which eliminates Grant from an extension. The Celtics need to focus their attention elsewhere.

And you don't pay more than minimum for Reserves (3rd stringers). So, if you're upgrading your backup PF and SF, you don't waste a cent on extending Grant. He's a trade chip for a better player coming back in my view. He does some nice things, but he'll never be a good SF (lacks the ball handling, speed, hops, and offensive repertoire) and is too limited at PF despite his pick setting, seals and box outs. You try to get the same thing in another player who can RELIABLY put the ball on consistent basis in the basket against the best defenses. That is not Grant Williams. It is, however, Otto Porter, Jr. Ergo, you go for a talent upgrade when available as your first option.

And let me be absolutely clear on this point. Saying that someone is a better player than Grant Williams is not saying much, just the reality of the sad limitations of Grant's game.

[BK_2020]

I don't get the luv and salaries people are throwing around for Grant Williams.

For the same money you could probably get a more reliable playoff performer in 29 year old Otto Porter, Jr. (2013 #3 pick), who Golden State does not have Bird or Early Bird Rights to by virtue of a 1 year contract.

I'd much rather give $8 to $10 million to Porter (True Height 6' 7.5") and able to play either forward spot over Grant Williams (6' 5.75" with a VERY LIMITED offensive repertoire).

Porter could fit into one of the trade exceptions, and you wouldn't need to extend Grant.

OPJ is a huge injury risk so a team like the Celtics that has very few ways to improve the roster through free agency has to think twice about spending its TMLE on him.
I'm with you on Grant. It's probably best to wait and see if he can shore up his game before giving him $8 to 10 mil. a year ahead of RFA. Even then I wouldn't give him a 4 year contract unless he improves significantly.

[Larry_Russell]

Nesmith for martin jr
Mle for bruce brown
Not sure of what gets turner for turner?

Smart/white
Brown/brown
Tatum/martin
Turner/grant
Timelord/horford

Thats a team.

[hugepatsfan]

I don't get the luv and salaries people are throwing around for Grant Williams.

For the same money you could probably get a more reliable playoff performer in 29 year old Otto Porter, Jr. (2013 #3 pick), who Golden State does not have Bird or Early Bird Rights to by virtue of a 1 year contract.

I'd much rather give $8 to $10 million to Porter (True Height 6' 7.5") and able to play either forward spot over Grant Williams (6' 5.75" with a VERY LIMITED offensive repertoire).

Porter could fit into one of the trade exceptions, and you wouldn't need to extend Grant.

You're kind of indirectly making the case to re-sign Grant...

You say OPJ is worth $8-10M in free agency. That means we won't get him. Because that require the full MLE. We only have have the tax payers MLE of $6.4M. We'd be priced out of him for that. Using the trade exception on a free agent is not an option. That would hard cap us and we're already over the hard cap salary line even before adding anyone with TPEs.

We don't figure to be a team that can open up the full MLE going forward without a big time subtraction off our roster salary wise. Our Fournier TPE will expire in mid July and all of the others are tax payers MLE territory too, so we won't be able to trade for guys making above that later (unless again, it involves subtracting salary off the roster).

Grant is a good, young bench player. Not saying he's the greatest in the world but he's a good player. He can defend a variety of different forwards so he's got good defensive versatility. He's a good shooter, even though I don't think he gets quite the defensive attention his percentages suggest he would. Overall though he's just a really good bench player and he's young enough that you can feel solid about projecting him to stay that going forward. A guy like OPJ is 29 so you'd be signing him into his 30s and he's had big injury issues in the past. I talked to a GSW fan on the general board and he guessed the team wouldn't go above the minimum for him because they had to treat him with kid gloves all year even as a 20 minutes/game guy.

The deals people propose in here for Grant are 4 years and $12-13M. That's a full MLE type salary. I agree there might be better options out there to sign with a full MLE, but not a ton. And they'll likely have age/injury flaws to them. And most importantly, we're not going to have a full MLE to sign them with anyway. The system is rigged to give you all the flexibility to re-sign any of your own players you want to but not be able to sign away from other teams. So it just makes no sense to me to let Grant go for nothing. If you're not willing to pay him a MLE type salary you better trade him now.

[Hal14]

Smart/PP
Brown/Rozier
Tatum/B.Brown
Turner/Al
Rob.W

This team can win It all.

if turner/sabonis was a horrible fit, then why would turner/rob be any better? At least Sabonis could shoot so the spacing would be better. Rob can't shoot, the 2 of them would just be getting in each other's way.

I like the Bruce Brown pickup to help the bench.

I doubt Rozier would want to go from being a starter, 19 PPG scorer and a primary option in charlotte to a 6th man type role here backing up Smart and Jaylen..

[brackdan70]

I don't get the luv and salaries people are throwing around for Grant Williams.

For the same money you could probably get a more reliable playoff performer in 29 year old Otto Porter, Jr. (2013 #3 pick), who Golden State does not have Bird or Early Bird Rights to by virtue of a 1 year contract.

I'd much rather give $8 to $10 million to Porter (True Height 6' 7.5") and able to play either forward spot over Grant Williams (6' 5.75" with a VERY LIMITED offensive repertoire).

Porter could fit into one of the trade exceptions, and you wouldn't need to extend Grant.

Part of the value equation is upside and fit. Grant has done a great job here and has room to improve. He is 23 yo.

I don't see Grant getting more than $8M from anyone, and don't think that the Celtics should be spending more than $5 on Grant with the aspirations and results that they SHOULD have. I'm talking talent upgrade at Backup PF ABSOLUTELY necessary. Which eliminates Grant from an extension. The Celtics need to focus their attention elsewhere.

And you don't pay more than minimum for Reserves (3rd stringers). So, if you're upgrading your backup PF and SF, you don't waste a cent on extending Grant. He's a trade chip for a better player coming back in my view. He does some nice things, but he'll never be a good SF (lacks the ball handling, speed, hops, and offensive repertoire) and is too limited at PF despite his pick setting, seals and box outs. You try to get the same thing in another player who can RELIABLY put the ball on consistent basis in the basket against the best defenses. That is not Grant Williams. It is, however, Otto Porter, Jr. Ergo, you go for a talent upgrade when available as your first option.

And let me be absolutely clear on this point. Saying that someone is a better player than Grant Williams is not saying much, just the reality of the sad limitations of Grant's game.

If that’s your assessment of Grant then sure. I think I fundamentally disagree, but that’s fine. Sounds like you think he is less than a mid level player. So if that’s the case then sure, you don’t want to pay him 10 million a year.
He was a lights out shooter last year .475/.411/.905, and a versatile good defender. At 23 yo I think he is very much a mid level player and deserves a deal in the hood of 10 million a year.

I respect that you disagree and I do like Otto Porter Jr. so if signing him is a reality then I would be fine letting Grant become an RFA and then letting the market determine his value.

[brackdan70]

I don't get the luv and salaries people are throwing around for Grant Williams.

For the same money you could probably get a more reliable playoff performer in 29 year old Otto Porter, Jr. (2013 #3 pick), who Golden State does not have Bird or Early Bird Rights to by virtue of a 1 year contract.

I'd much rather give $8 to $10 million to Porter (True Height 6' 7.5") and able to play either forward spot over Grant Williams (6' 5.75" with a VERY LIMITED offensive repertoire).

Porter could fit into one of the trade exceptions, and you wouldn't need to extend Grant.

You're kind of indirectly making the case to re-sign Grant...

You say OPJ is worth $8-10M in free agency. That means we won't get him. Because that require the full MLE. We only have have the tax payers MLE of $6.4M. We'd be priced out of him for that. Using the trade exception on a free agent is not an option. That would hard cap us and we're already over the hard cap salary line even before adding anyone with TPEs.

We don't figure to be a team that can open up the full MLE going forward without a big time subtraction off our roster salary wise. Our Fournier TPE will expire in mid July and all of the others are tax payers MLE territory too, so we won't be able to trade for guys making above that later (unless again, it involves subtracting salary off the roster).

Grant is a good, young bench player. Not saying he's the greatest in the world but he's a good player. He can defend a variety of different forwards so he's got good defensive versatility. He's a good shooter, even though I don't think he gets quite the defensive attention his percentages suggest he would. Overall though he's just a really good bench player and he's young enough that you can feel solid about projecting him to stay that going forward. A guy like OPJ is 29 so you'd be signing him into his 30s and he's had big injury issues in the past. I talked to a GSW fan on the general board and he guessed the team wouldn't go above the minimum for him because they had to treat him with kid gloves all year even as a 20 minutes/game guy.

The deals people propose in here for Grant are 4 years and $12-13M. That's a full MLE type salary. I agree there might be better options out there to sign with a full MLE, but not a ton. And they'll likely have age/injury flaws to them. And most importantly, we're not going to have a full MLE to sign them with anyway. The system is rigged to give you all the flexibility to re-sign any of your own players you want to but not be able to sign away from other teams. So it just makes no sense to me to let Grant go for nothing. If you're not willing to pay him a MLE type salary you better trade him now.

Great assessment of the situation. Yea OPJ is probably not a realistic get for the Cs.
I like keeping Grant and searching out a bench wing with TPE or tax payers mid level.

[Larry_Russell]

Smart/PP
Brown/Rozier
Tatum/B.Brown
Turner/Al
Rob.W

This team can win It all.

if turner/sabonis was a horrible fit, then why would turner/rob be any better?

Cause Turner had to be out of Sabonis' way yet cover for him entirely defensively.


I dont see a path to getting Turner, but I do feel like he would be better here than he was with Sabonis.

[BK_2020]

Smart/PP
Brown/Rozier
Tatum/B.Brown
Turner/Al
Rob.W

This team can win It all.

if turner/sabonis was a horrible fit, then why would turner/rob be any better?

Cause Turner had to be out of Sabonis' way yet cover for him entirely defensively.


I dont see a path to getting Turner, but I do feel like he would be better here than he was with Sabonis.

Supposedly Turner's issue was he couldn't exist with another big, but then Turner is always brought up as the guy who would thrive with another big. It's hilarious.