Jaylen Brown Discussion Thread - New and Improved!

[MagicBagley18]

I agree with you on this. But if you read the forum a group of people including yourself seem to dislike him for whatever reason. I'm not talking about the trolls either. You explained your distaste before and I really don't think anything you say is baseless or unwarranted, expect for the obliviousness to why you would be called a hater. But really it's what makes the board interesting imo.

Would you still take Hayward over Brown? It's a new year I need to check in with you. Hapy New Year BTW.

Never have I ever said I don’t like him. I’ve actually said the opposite that he’s a great representation of the franchise off the court and he’s everything you’d want in a franchise player just lacking the talent of a true franchise guy imo. So you saying I have distaste for him is 100% categorically false and either a horrible interpretation or lie by you. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. I always said how great of an individual he is and how great he is in terms of social justice initiatives and in the community.

You’ve said this hayward thing over and over I’m sure you have something a little more witty than that by now (I’d hope given it’s been 3 years and yeah hayward was better than your binkie at the time). I do give you credit for actually engaging in conversation tho instead of the typical passive aggressive sniping- So you are moving in the right direction looks like you may have hit puberty and those balls dropped. Kudos.

I mean I don’t expect much from someone who thought the bagley in my name was for Marvin bagley (real die hard Celtics fan there lol) but yes happy new year and congrats.

I believe you said you don't like Jaylen because of your disdain for his over the top fans on the board. That's all I meant by that but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Sorry I'm simply not old enough to have enjoyed the John Bagley era. I'm more of a Miracle Milt guy. But I can tell you were an old fellow by your very mature responses. Maybe we can find common ground and agree that John Bagley is pretty trash by any metric, despite any Magic Johnson comparison.

Never ever said that. His fans are over the top but I’m capable of separating them from who Jaylen is as a person and individual. He’s extremely bright, extremely generous and everything right about the nba. Wish he’d have come down more heavily with Kanye and kyrie but no other qualms ever about his character at all.

I’m a millennial. I’ll let you define if that makes me an old man or not. And I also excuse your naïveté to youthful ignorance. So commend ground has been found.

[return2glory]

He definitely should have denounced that racist crap.


Not racism.
ANTISEMITISM.

AND of course his tweet endorsing the blatant antisemites supporting another antisemite who thinks the earth is flat.

Shameful.
Disgraceful.
His platform & alleged intellect are indeed fraudulent.

And I do not like him as a player either.
Never have.
Loads of elite talent, but unlimited TOV machine & brain dead court sense.

Brown is not a bright guy and I'm being nice.
So people shouldn't take what he says personally.

I take antisemitism drop dead seriously - no matter how ignorant the speaker.

Well that topic is serious and shouldn't be taken lightly. But you have to consider the person.

It's like arguing with a crazy person. After a minute, you have to stop and ask yourself, if I'm arguing with a crazy person, what does that say about me? Then you let it go because it's not worth it.

[exculpatory]

Brown is not a bright guy and I'm being nice.
So people shouldn't take what he says personally.

I take antisemitism drop dead seriously - no matter how ignorant the speaker.

Well that topic is serious and shouldn't be taken lightly. But you have to consider the person.

It's like arguing with a crazy person. After a minute, you have to stop and ask yourself, if I'm arguing with a crazy person, what does that say about me? Then you let it go because it's not worth it.

I am not arguing with anyone.
His antisemitism - ignoramous that he is - disgusts me & always will.
If he was not an important piece of my team, I would never mention his name.
In fact, of late, I only refer to him as #7.
Tonight, in VC thread, amoeba brain because of 6 TOV & innumerable other dumb plays.

[TommyPointGawd]

Never have I ever said I don’t like him. I’ve actually said the opposite that he’s a great representation of the franchise off the court and he’s everything you’d want in a franchise player just lacking the talent of a true franchise guy imo. So you saying I have distaste for him is 100% categorically false and either a horrible interpretation or lie by you. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. I always said how great of an individual he is and how great he is in terms of social justice initiatives and in the community.

You’ve said this hayward thing over and over I’m sure you have something a little more witty than that by now (I’d hope given it’s been 3 years and yeah hayward was better than your binkie at the time). I do give you credit for actually engaging in conversation tho instead of the typical passive aggressive sniping- So you are moving in the right direction looks like you may have hit puberty and those balls dropped. Kudos.

I mean I don’t expect much from someone who thought the bagley in my name was for Marvin bagley (real die hard Celtics fan there lol) but yes happy new year and congrats.

I believe you said you don't like Jaylen because of your disdain for his over the top fans on the board. That's all I meant by that but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Sorry I'm simply not old enough to have enjoyed the John Bagley era. I'm more of a Miracle Milt guy. But I can tell you were an old fellow by your very mature responses. Maybe we can find common ground and agree that John Bagley is pretty trash by any metric, despite any Magic Johnson comparison.

Never ever said that. His fans are over the top but I’m capable of separating them from who Jaylen is as a person and individual. He’s extremely bright, extremely generous and everything right about the nba. Wish he’d have come down more heavily with Kanye and kyrie but no other qualms ever about his character at all.

I’m a millennial. I’ll let you define if that makes me an old man or not. And I also excuse your naïveté to youthful ignorance. So commend ground has been found.

Fair enough. I apologize for miscategorizing what you said. Also dropping a naïveté with correct accent and diaeresis. You just out here showing off.

[return2glory]

I take antisemitism drop dead seriously - no matter how ignorant the speaker.

Well that topic is serious and shouldn't be taken lightly. But you have to consider the person.

It's like arguing with a crazy person. After a minute, you have to stop and ask yourself, if I'm arguing with a crazy person, what does that say about me? Then you let it go because it's not worth it.

I am not arguing with anyone.
His antisemitism - ignoramous that he is - disgusts me & always will.
If he was not an important piece of my team, I would never mention his name.
In fact, of late, I only refer to him as #7.
Tonight, in VC thread, amoeba brain.

I know you aren't arguing with anyone, I was just using that has an example. You have to consider the source. While ignorance is not an excuse, some people are just ignorant. In Brown's case, he is not to bright of a buy but he thinks he is a genius.

As far as tonight's game, he made more boneheaded mistakes in one game that some players don't make during a course of a week or month. He should be up for Shaqtin' a fool.

[CelticFaninLBC]

[b][size=120]I don't get it. Why do so many people dislike Jaylen Brown's Game???

I lot of it comes from the same people that wanted the Celtics to draft Kris Dunn, Dragan Bender, Marquese Chriss etc. instead of Jaylen Brown, they never got over it. Wouldn't worry to much about it.

Some posters can't handle being wrong and seem to root against JB and enjoy when he has a poor game.

Some posters said the pick was mistake. Then said his contract was mistake and continually proposed trading JB for guys like James Wiseman.

Unfortunately some posters can't take the L.

[CelticFaninLBC]

I take antisemitism drop dead seriously - no matter how ignorant the speaker.

Well that topic is serious and shouldn't be taken lightly. But you have to consider the person.

It's like arguing with a crazy person. After a minute, you have to stop and ask yourself, if I'm arguing with a crazy person, what does that say about me? Then you let it go because it's not worth it.

I am not arguing with anyone.
His antisemitism - ignoramous that he is - disgusts me & always will.
If he was not an important piece of my team, I would never mention his name.
In fact, of late, I only refer to him as #7.
Tonight, in VC thread, amoeba brain because of 6 TOV & innumerable other dumb plays.

I suspect many in the league share his views...

[MagicBagley18]

I believe you said you don't like Jaylen because of your disdain for his over the top fans on the board. That's all I meant by that but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Sorry I'm simply not old enough to have enjoyed the John Bagley era. I'm more of a Miracle Milt guy. But I can tell you were an old fellow by your very mature responses. Maybe we can find common ground and agree that John Bagley is pretty trash by any metric, despite any Magic Johnson comparison.

Never ever said that. His fans are over the top but I’m capable of separating them from who Jaylen is as a person and individual. He’s extremely bright, extremely generous and everything right about the nba. Wish he’d have come down more heavily with Kanye and kyrie but no other qualms ever about his character at all.

I’m a millennial. I’ll let you define if that makes me an old man or not. And I also excuse your naïveté to youthful ignorance. So commend ground has been found.

Fair enough. I apologize for miscategorizing what you said. Also dropping a naïveté with correct accent and diaeresis. You just out here showing off.

I misspelled common however….so more work to do

[Wes-J]

Knew there would be some fireworks in this thread.

[Curmudgeon]

Each game he finds new ways to turn the ball over. Last night he just forgot to turn around and catch an inbounds pass. Haven't seen that one before in the NBA, and I've been watching the league for over 50 years.

He's one of the best athletes in the NBA-- maybe the best-- and a good individual scorer. But the team's offense runs better when he's on the bench. I hope he increases his trade value by making the all star team.

[playa-hater]

I posted something like this a Minth ago and still hold true. JB is a great KOBE lite talent. But if there is a way to get near equal talent in return, I would trade him . JB's talent often makes up for his less than "team first" style of play.

I do wonder if a slightly lesser player like OG makes this team better just for chemistry reasons. Not saying I do that trade, just making a point.. sometimes less is more..

[31to6]

the only Jaylen trade I've ever been into was an entirely-fictional swap for Sabonis, who is having a ridiculous statistical season so far (shooting 60/40, 1st in RPG and ORTG in the league https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/sabondo01.html), but I think would be too 'on the nose' for the stereotypical Boston fan favorite, plus he's playing 99% of his minutes at C since arriving in SAC, so I'm ride or die team Jaylen

..knowing that he's dumb as **** out there some times. If anyone has a compilation of turnovers involving him last night set to "yakity sax" I'm not at all surprised.

[Stan34]

We are the better offense in the league and people complaining about Jaylen.
Team will be better with OG? Be careful what you wish for.
It is almost useless to argue with some of you

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[GWVan]

Always amused by the negativity surrounding JB on this board so I had put a post on the general board to see how fans of other teams felt about him. Doesn't look like others share the negativity.



https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2251363&p=103079170&hilit=GWVan#p103079170

edit: why can't I share my image https://imgur.com/gallery/xMp8w43

[Stan34]

I posted something like this a Minth ago and still hold true. JB is a great KOBE lite talent. But if there is a way to get near equal talent in return, I would trade him . JB's talent often makes up for his less than "team first" style of play.

I do wonder if a slightly lesser player like OG makes this team better just for chemistry reasons. Not saying I do that trade, just making a point.. sometimes less is more..

OG has a worst A/TO ratio than JB: 2.3 TO vs 2.1 A

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[31to6]

We are the better offense in the league and people complaining about Jaylen.
Team will be better with OG? Be careful what you wish for.
It is almost useless to argue with some of you

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OG's really solid though. 18p/6r/2a/2s/1b (to Jaylen's 27p/7r/3a/1s/0.5b), decent shooter, leading the league in steals, and has room to grow.

But here's a surprise, perhaps: he has a 13% TOV compared to Jaylen's 12%
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anunoog01.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brownja02.html
WS/48 of 0.08 to Jaylen's 0.11
BPM of 0.3 to Jaylen's 1.5
TS% of 0.57 to Jaylen's 0.59
VORP of 0.8 to Jaylen's 1.2
So OG + Precious + 3 firsts for Jaylen? Maybe, if we were rebuilding.
But we ain't. Ride or die

[flintsky21]

Player/Usage Rate/TOs per game

Jaylen Brown/31.6/3.1
Jordan Poole/30.8/3.6
Kevin Durant/31.7/3.5
Paul George/30.4/3.5
Devin Booker/31.7/2.4
Donovan Mitchell/31.8/3.0

Jaylen's turnovers are right on par with other players with similar usage rates. Jaylen also have better FG% than everyone listed. But I'm confident somebody out there can still manage to dig some super advanced metric out there where Jaylen is the worst out of this group.

[flintsky21]

Always amused by the negativity surrounding JB on this board so I had put a post on the general board to see how fans of other teams felt about him. Doesn't look like others share the negativity.



https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2251363&p=103079170&hilit=GWVan#p103079170

edit: why can't I share my image https://imgur.com/gallery/xMp8w43

But were the responders aware of Jaylen's average in ranking in 10 catch-alls (BPM, EPM, RAPTOR, RPM, GmSc/36, as well as the cumulative versions of each) among players with 300+ minutes?

[Feed Your Head]

Player/Usage Rate/TOs per game

Jaylen Brown/31.6/3.1
Jordan Poole/30.8/3.6
Kevin Durant/31.7/3.5
Paul George/30.4/3.5
Devin Booker/31.7/2.4
Donovan Mitchell/31.8/3.0

Jaylen's turnovers are right on par with other players with similar usage rates. Jaylen also have better FG% than everyone listed. But I'm confident somebody out there can still manage to dig some super advanced metric out there where Jaylen is the worst out of this group.

KD is shooting 56%, so no Jaylen doesn’t. Donovan Mitchell also has a TS of 63%, Jaylen is at 59%. You should also mention that his assist rate is 6% lower than the next closest guy, so their turnover rates should be higher than his.

If you’re going to make snarky posts, should try to be factually correct.

[flintsky21]

Player/Usage Rate/TOs per game

Jaylen Brown/31.6/3.1
Jordan Poole/30.8/3.6
Kevin Durant/31.7/3.5
Paul George/30.4/3.5
Devin Booker/31.7/2.4
Donovan Mitchell/31.8/3.0

Jaylen's turnovers are right on par with other players with similar usage rates. Jaylen also have better FG% than everyone listed. But I'm confident somebody out there can still manage to dig some super advanced metric out there where Jaylen is the worst out of this group.

KD is shooting 56%, so no Jaylen doesn’t. Donovan Mitchell also has a TS of 63%, Jaylen is at 59%. You should also mention that his assist rate is 6% lower than the next closest guy, so their turnover rates should be higher than his.

If you’re going to make snarky posts, should try to be factually correct.

And we got a winner. I knew I can count on you to always find a way to rationalize how Jaylen is the worst.

Yeah, I overlooked that Durant one. OK. Shoots better than everyone on that list except Kevin freaking Durant. Assist rate? OK. That does weigh heavier than being a more efficient scorer? Jaylen is also a better defender than at least 3 guys on that list and arguably as good as the best one (George/Durant).