Rollercoaster Celts Grind to a Halt :( ECF Game 7 Loss vs MIA 5/29 (MIA wins 4-3)

[Fantaxp7]

The irony of Brogdon sitting because of either the injury or being unplayable was killing me last night. The reason we went out and got him was because he was supposed to help the scoring droughts and correct the ship when we looked lost out there...Really sucked to see him not play.

[ThePigeon]

I know I was emotional last night saying this team needs to move on from Brown and they're not going to win anything with him.(which I still believe)

I'm not sure Boston has much choice but to pay him unless they want to be the seventh seed every year. I'm sure the organization would rather be in the contention conversation with brown than without him.

He will work on his dribble in the pool workout in the summer
Also on his feel for the game

I don't think that Brow or Smart are the problem
Problem is philosophy and coaching
Play to the strength of the players you have. Don't force them to commit to a style of play which exposes their weaknesses

What exactly do you think is the strength of our players? Jaylen Brown already jacks up a million midrange shots. That's all he does. Smart's best offensive skill is three point shooting. He's not good at it but he's worse at everything else. Horford can't score inside anymore. Rob is already asked to score on put backs and dunks exclusively.

IMO:
Brown is moving great without the ball, shoot the midrange and penetration
Smart best move is the post up and passing

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

I know I was emotional last night saying this team needs to move on from Brown and they're not going to win anything with him.(which I still believe)

I'm not sure Boston has much choice but to pay him unless they want to be the seventh seed every year. I'm sure the organization would rather be in the contention conversation with brown than without him.

He will work on his dribble in the pool workout in the summer
Also on his feel for the game

I don't think that Brow or Smart are the problem
Problem is philosophy and coaching
Play to the strength of the players you have. Don't force them to commit to a style of play which exposes their weaknesses

Next year will be his 7th season in the NBA. He handles and BBIQ are not going to get better at this point. Boston just has to live with the good and bad with JB.

[Larry_Russell]

I know I was emotional last night saying this team needs to move on from Brown and they're not going to win anything with him.(which I still believe)

I'm not sure Boston has much choice but to pay him unless they want to be the seventh seed every year. I'm sure the organization would rather be in the contention conversation with brown than without him.

Boston was +4.6 with Jaylen Brown on the floor and +10.7 with him off.
With both Jaylen and Tatum off, they were +3.7, albeit in a small sample of 723 minutes.
Jaylen on, Tatum off, they were +3.4.
I think we could straight up replace Jaylen Brown with a replacement level guy and still be in the top 4. Pretty easily, actually.
Replacing him with someone like Lauri or Simons, let alone a Siakam or a Trae Young, may improve our net rating.

Yeah but he's not easily moved because he's in a contract year. I don't think teams are going to give up any real assets to get him when he can just walk away at the end of the season.

Simons and #3.

That is the deal

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Boston was +4.6 with Jaylen Brown on the floor and +10.7 with him off.
With both Jaylen and Tatum off, they were +3.7, albeit in a small sample of 723 minutes.
Jaylen on, Tatum off, they were +3.4.
I think we could straight up replace Jaylen Brown with a replacement level guy and still be in the top 4. Pretty easily, actually.
Replacing him with someone like Lauri or Simons, let alone a Siakam or a Trae Young, may improve our net rating.

Yeah but he's not easily moved because he's in a contract year. I don't think teams are going to give up any real assets to get him when he can just walk away at the end of the season.

Simons and #3.

That is thedeal

You mean Ben Simmons? Why? Dude is a mental midget that hates playing basketball.

[Larry_Russell]

Yeah but he's not easily moved because he's in a contract year. I don't think teams are going to give up any real assets to get him when he can just walk away at the end of the season.

Simons and #3.

That is thedeal

You mean Ben Simmons? Why? Dude is a mental midget that hates playing basketball.

No, Anfernee Simons and #3. Maybe can even steal Eubanks for Muscala swap too.

[BK_2020]

Yeah but he's not easily moved because he's in a contract year. I don't think teams are going to give up any real assets to get him when he can just walk away at the end of the season.

Simons and #3.

That is thedeal

You mean Ben Simmons? Why? Dude is a mental midget that hates playing basketball.

Simons not Simmons.

[CelticsPride18]

This series showed that we probably should increase D White’s usage next season.

[JTfor3]

Boston was +4.6 with Jaylen Brown on the floor and +10.7 with him off.
With both Jaylen and Tatum off, they were +3.7, albeit in a small sample of 723 minutes.
Jaylen on, Tatum off, they were +3.4.
I think we could straight up replace Jaylen Brown with a replacement level guy and still be in the top 4. Pretty easily, actually.
Replacing him with someone like Lauri or Simons, let alone a Siakam or a Trae Young, may improve our net rating.

Yeah but he's not easily moved because he's in a contract year. I don't think teams are going to give up any real assets to get him when he can just walk away at the end of the season.

Simons and #3.

That is the deal

Is Simons really that special to y’all? He’s like 5 foot 7 and handicapped defensively.

[31to6]

Maybe smart is the real problem. We don’t have a **** point guard who can set other guys up and run an offense.

None of these guys make each other better. Get a real **** point guard

How many players in the league fit this criteria, regardless of their availability?
(not Chris Paul please he's 700 years old)

[BK_2020]

He will work on his dribble in the pool workout in the summer
Also on his feel for the game

I don't think that Brow or Smart are the problem
Problem is philosophy and coaching
Play to the strength of the players you have. Don't force them to commit to a style of play which exposes their weaknesses

What exactly do you think is the strength of our players? Jaylen Brown already jacks up a million midrange shots. That's all he does. Smart's best offensive skill is three point shooting. He's not good at it but he's worse at everything else. Horford can't score inside anymore. Rob is already asked to score on put backs and dunks exclusively.

IMO:
Brown is moving great without the ball, shoot the midrange and penetration
Smart best move is the post up and passing

Smart is really bad at posting up though. His postup bag is nonexistent, it's just that awkward fallaway jumper. Despite being strong he can't score at the rim on smaller players. He's a good passer but because he doesn't pressure the rim it's kind of wasted.

Jaylen Brown is actually worse at moving without the ball than dribbling it, and he can't break down the defense with the dribble. Every "attack" he goes hard to right, slowly crosses over to the left, and if he doesn't lose the ball in the transfer, just stops at the nail either for a contested jumper or to pass it back out.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Simons and #3.

That is thedeal

You mean Ben Simmons? Why? Dude is a mental midget that hates playing basketball.

No, Anfernee Simons and #3. Maybe can even steal Eubanks for Muscala swap too.

Ahh okay that makes a bit more sense.

[ThePigeon]

What exactly do you think is the strength of our players? Jaylen Brown already jacks up a million midrange shots. That's all he does. Smart's best offensive skill is three point shooting. He's not good at it but he's worse at everything else. Horford can't score inside anymore. Rob is already asked to score on put backs and dunks exclusively.

IMO:
Brown is moving great without the ball, shoot the midrange and penetration
Smart best move is the post up and passing

Smart is really bad at posting up though. His postup bag is nonexistent, it's just that awkward fallaway jumper. Despite being strong he can't score at the rim on smaller players. He's a good passer but because he doesn't pressure the rim it's kind of wasted.

Jaylen Brown is actually worse at moving without the ball than dribbling it, and he can't break down the defense with the dribble. Every "attack" he goes hard to right, slowly crosses over to the left, and if he doesn't lose the ball in the transfer, just stops at the nail either for a contested jumper or to pass it back out.

When we got stuck there were some occasions that Smart got the ball down low and bullied Vincent with great success
Brow cutting to the basket 2/3 times a game were also good moves. He can also outmuscle players when penetrating. He needs to be more in control as he often just get offensive fouls or TOs but it is much better than him handling the ball or jacking contested 3s

[Larry_Russell]

Maybe smart is the real problem. We don’t have a **** point guard who can set other guys up and run an offense.

None of these guys make each other better. Get a real **** point guard

People talk a lot about Jaylen but I’m also looking at Smart and Brogdon here. Brogdon’s value is at an all time high and he can probably net us a pretty decent big.

Agreed, you have different people that look at Jaylen or Smart. I'm looking at both. I want them both gone. Only for the right pieces though. I don't want them gone just for the sake of them being gone.

Alot of people on here have agendas and binkies. I have none of that. I just want what's best for the team and I want to win a f***** title. I have said that I think the makeup of this team needs to change. I think trading 2 of the core will go a long way in doing that.

I know we can win without brown and smart if we replace them with the right pieces and I also know these 2 are a huge reason we never go all the way and why we play the way we do.

They will win you alot of games but they are far too often the reason we lose alot of very important games that prevent a title from happening.

I am fine with Smart coming back. Just let him be the defensive master and 2ndary or tirtiary playmakers.

Smart at his absolute best, imo, is a combo guard who does a little of everything. Remember this dude won DPOY just last season! i BLAME COACH for the defensie collapse this year. going under screens on a team that can only shoot....that is the coaches play there.

[zoyathedestroya]

They said our starting backcourt couldn’t shoot…

Read on Twitter

That’s just rough.

[Larry_Russell]

What exactly do you think is the strength of our players? Jaylen Brown already jacks up a million midrange shots. That's all he does. Smart's best offensive skill is three point shooting. He's not good at it but he's worse at everything else. Horford can't score inside anymore. Rob is already asked to score on put backs and dunks exclusively.

IMO:
Brown is moving great without the ball, shoot the midrange and penetration
Smart best move is the post up and passing

Smart is really bad at posting up though. His postup bag is nonexistent, it's just that awkward fallaway jumper. Despite being strong he can't score at the rim on smaller players. He's a good passer but because he doesn't pressure the rim it's kind of wasted.

Jaylen Brown is actually worse at moving without the ball than dribbling it, and he can't break down the defense with the dribble. Every "attack" he goes hard to right, slowly crosses over to the left, and if he doesn't lose the ball in the transfer, just stops at the nail either for a contested jumper or to pass it back out.

Smart is a lethal secondary passer. Like when he drives on a close out then tosses up a lob.

We need a point guard and run for a bit with Smart at sg. Can sub him for offense with White if needed and trade him later in the season.

[BK_2020]

IMO:
Brown is moving great without the ball, shoot the midrange and penetration
Smart best move is the post up and passing

Smart is really bad at posting up though. His postup bag is nonexistent, it's just that awkward fallaway jumper. Despite being strong he can't score at the rim on smaller players. He's a good passer but because he doesn't pressure the rim it's kind of wasted.

Jaylen Brown is actually worse at moving without the ball than dribbling it, and he can't break down the defense with the dribble. Every "attack" he goes hard to right, slowly crosses over to the left, and if he doesn't lose the ball in the transfer, just stops at the nail either for a contested jumper or to pass it back out.

When we got stuck there were some occasions that Smart got the ball down low and bullied Vincent with great success
Brow cutting to the basket 2/3 times a game were also good moves. He can also outmuscle players when penetrating. He needs to be more in control as he often just get offensive fouls or TOs but it is much better than him handling the ball or jacking contested 3s

I was pleasantly surprised that Smart had good success on some of those postups but you could see just how difficult it was for him to score on 6'0 Gabe Vincent. He should be able to back him down and get a shot at the rim or at least have that be a threat. Instead he had to settle for difficult fallaway jumpers. Running more Smart postups won't help. We need different players who can do different things.

[BK_2020]

IMO:
Brown is moving great without the ball, shoot the midrange and penetration
Smart best move is the post up and passing

Smart is really bad at posting up though. His postup bag is nonexistent, it's just that awkward fallaway jumper. Despite being strong he can't score at the rim on smaller players. He's a good passer but because he doesn't pressure the rim it's kind of wasted.

Jaylen Brown is actually worse at moving without the ball than dribbling it, and he can't break down the defense with the dribble. Every "attack" he goes hard to right, slowly crosses over to the left, and if he doesn't lose the ball in the transfer, just stops at the nail either for a contested jumper or to pass it back out.

Smart is a lethal secondary passer. Like when he drives on a close out then tosses up a lob.

We need a point guard and run for a bit with Smart at sg. Can sub him for offense with White if needed and trade him later in the season.

Smart at SG kills our shooting. He's a 33% three point shooter and sub 80 FT shooter. We will miss his connective passing but the added shooting will make up for the lost offense.

[Hal14]

The irony of Brogdon sitting because of either the injury or being unplayable was killing me last night. The reason we went out and got him was because he was supposed to help the scoring droughts and correct the ship when we looked lost out there...Really sucked to see him not play.

He's got an injured elbow - that's why he didn't play.

[Larry_Russell]

Yeah but he's not easily moved because he's in a contract year. I don't think teams are going to give up any real assets to get him when he can just walk away at the end of the season.

Simons and #3.

That is the deal

Is Simons really that special to y’all? He’s like 5 foot 7 and handicapped defensively.

He is 6 foot 3 and was being asked to defend Shooting Guards,

He excels as a point guard and I think he has a Markannen like break out as a starter on a different team.

He excels at shooting 3pters, he is lighting fast with fantastic handles and is an athletic animal. Also has a high IQ.


Kid has been mentored and coached by dame for the last few years. He is primed for a big breakout.

Without Lillard Simons averaged 28ppg, 3rpg and 5.7apg on great shooting #s.

Then can flip the #3 (or use it if miller is there or if someone else looks like a cant miss) with Brgdon or Gallo+salaries for an imediate PF/C upgrade (can that get Siakam or Markannen?? idk, probs Siakam)