Hal14 wrote:Celts17Pride wrote:I disagree with bringing back guys like Griffin and Javonte Green. The goal here is to win a championship. That’s what the organization and players should be focused on especially this year. The focus shouldn’t be on finding guys that can “hang out” with their players.
Get some guys with an edge that will help push the players in the right direction which is to focus on the goal in hand which is win a championship
Red Auerbach said gets me some agitators and instigators, not some retaliators.
First off, who said to find guys who can hang out with their players? I didn't see anyone say that. Yet you put it in quotes, which is weird. I definitely didn't say that - perhaps I missed where someone else did.
Javonte and Griffin have not only proven that they fit in with the guys on this team, are well liked by the guys on the team and are good vibes guys to have around but they would also help this team on the court, as I already explained in my previous post.
Any free agent get at this point is probably not gonna be much better than Javonte or Griffin anyways. And if they are better, they're probably gonna sign with a different team, that could offer them more minutes and/or more money.
If you add some other guy instead who hasn't been here before, you run a much bigger risk that they're not a good fit, they might mess up the chemistry in the locker room. And it's not worth taking that chance when we're talking about an end of the bench guy. Case in point, Juancho Hernangomez. We acquired him via trade a couple yrs ago. He ended up being a poor fit on the court and off the court. We traded him away the first chance we could - and after we traded him there was reports in the media about Juancho talking sh&t about the C's and saying how he didn't like it here. Case in point, Tristan Thompson. We signed him as a FA, but he was not a good fit on the court or off the court. There was all these reports about the guys on the team not liking him, it seemed like all drama with him and the Kardashians was a distraction for the team, etc.
Jabari Parker wasn't a good fit on the court or off either. He just didn't seem to fit in very well with the other guys on the Celtics - seemed like a loner.
Meanwhile, guys like J-Rich, Javonte, Griffin, Kemba. These are guys who fit in great with the Celtics, were well liked by teammates, brought good vibes AND they helped the team on the court (well, at least until Kemba's knees got all messed up).
And don't take my word for it. As I already explained in my previous post, Ashley Battle (Celtics scout) explained on the broadcast of one of the C's games last season how the C's front office team this stuff (the player's off-court fit, locker room fit, personality, character) very seriously. She said "we can't bring just anybody into this locker room.
You hear Brad talk, he often talks about what these guys are like as people, off the court. He says how it matters a lot. The way they (as a person) mesh with the guys already on the team (as people). Wyc talked about JB's character and the type of person he is at the press conference the other day when JB signed his extension.
These players aren't robots. This isn't a video game. They're real people. People with emotions, with personalities, some of them have a bad temper, some of them are too passive aggressive, some of them are selfish. Some of them don't get along with each other. Some of them get along great. And after Gabe Vincent's comments a couple weeks ago where he said that the Heat players (during the ECF) could sense that there was something not right internally with the C's, I think that now more than ever, this is something that the C's front office will take even more seriously.
You want a player with an edge, an agitator, but you don't want Blake? That's odd.
How about the way Javonte is an agitator on defense?
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The goal here is to win a championship? No kidding. We're literally the favorites to win the championship according to the latest odds. So anyone we add with the last 1 or 2 roster spots doesn't have to be a superstar player. Just someone to contribute a little bit here or there, add some depth and not mess up the locker room vibes.
Who would you sign to fill out the roster? Only suggestion I've seen from you lately is trading Brogdon for Olynyk
Hal, why do you feel the need to make this board so unpleasant for some posters ? The poster disagreed with you and instead of just moving on (after all you’ve made your case for your views on these guys many times over in these threads), you type a lengthy post full of implications that you think this poster is stupid and is dumb for having the ideas he has. I guess I just wonder why that is. It’s not very nice.
Oh and you never answered my previous question;
A couple of weeks ago you were very adamant we should trade brown and that he wasn’t worth the contract given his play but recently, even before the extension was signed, you completely shifted that stance.
I’m very curious what caused that shift, if you wouldn’t mind elaborating. Thanks !
I don't ever get the Kornet fascination though. Dude's a complete stiff