Hayward Undecided

[reload141]

Never pass up an All-Star... I know he gets a lot of hate here but if Cleveland somehow turned around and asked for Bradley/Crowder for Love and Hayward wanted to come here, you'd do that.

[Banks2Pierce]

Yeah, think he'd be the best player on a team that just won 53 and hit the ECF without him. And he's not falling out of his prime in the duration of the contract.

[greenmachine_2849]

Jesus, these Finals are an absolute joke. I know we're all supposed to be all in on Hayward and everything but is it worth it right now? And I LOVE Hayward but how much does he move the needle? I don't know what the rationale would be in going over the tax for a team that right now has ZERO shot at beating Golden State. When do we have to worry about the repeater tax?

I wonder what the television ratings are going to look like league wide in a couple of years. Yeah, if your sole objective as a fan is to root for a champion, I could see a lot of the audience growing bored and leaving the game in the near future.

[Ed Pinkney]

Jesus, these Finals are an absolute joke. I know we're all supposed to be all in on Hayward and everything but is it worth it right now? And I LOVE Hayward but how much does he move the needle? I don't know what the rationale would be in going over the tax for a team that right now has ZERO shot at beating Golden State. When do we have to worry about the repeater tax?

I think going after players that cost you no real assets (like a free agent such as Hayward) but improve the team are the moves you should be making in this situation as it costs you nothing (except maybe a bit more of Wyc's money) but keep all the draft picks and young players. If the Celtics remain a 50+ win play off team for the next several years, all it takes is an injury or two to another team like the Warriors to open up an opportunity. It keeps the team relevant, they keep learning how to win playoff games, makes them more of a free agent destination, and provides a possibilty to be like the Spurs and remain a contender for 10+ years.

But along your line of thinking, the Warriors predicted dominance for the next several years is exactly why you don't trade Jaylen, or the Nets pick this year or in 18 for someone like Butler or George.

[Captain_Caveman]

Jesus, these Finals are an absolute joke. I know we're all supposed to be all in on Hayward and everything but is it worth it right now? And I LOVE Hayward but how much does he move the needle? I don't know what the rationale would be in going over the tax for a team that right now has ZERO shot at beating Golden State. When do we have to worry about the repeater tax?

Hayward is 26 and gives us time.

And the f--k been saying to you guys about the Warriors? I feel like this board just started watching them or something.

[Captain_Caveman]

Jesus, these Finals are an absolute joke. I know we're all supposed to be all in on Hayward and everything but is it worth it right now? And I LOVE Hayward but how much does he move the needle? I don't know what the rationale would be in going over the tax for a team that right now has ZERO shot at beating Golden State. When do we have to worry about the repeater tax?

I think going after players that cost you no real assets (like a free agent such as Hayward) but improve the team are the moves you should be making in this situation as it costs you nothing (except maybe a bit more of Wyc's money) but keep all the draft picks and young players. If the Celtics remain a 50+ win play off team for the next several years, all it takes is an injury or two to another team like the Warriors to open up an opportunity. It keeps the team relevant, they keep learning how to win playoff games, makes them more of a free agent destination, and provides a possibilty to be like the Spurs and remain a contender for 10+ years.

But along your line of thinking, the Warriors predicted dominance for the next several years is exactly why you don't trade Jaylen, or the Nets pick this year or in 18 for someone like Butler or George.

I'm with you.

[kc11]

interesting take on Hayward I found this morning on jazzfanz.com...

Quote Originally Posted by KqWIN View Post
Hayward wasn't always well received. The fans booed him when he was drafted. Ty Corbin benched him. The FO didn't believe in him enough to meet his extension demands. He signed an offer sheet that many, if not most, wanted the Jazz to avoid matching. When the Jazz did match people called him overpaid. He's proven the Jazz coaches, FO, and fans wrong by improving every single season. People still don't think he's good enough for their liking and he will surely receive a ton of heat for signing a large contract if he does resign.

The fan support was great near the end of the season, but this is far away from a "we were with you from the start" pitch. The man who was really with Hayward from the start is the coach for the Boston Celtics.

[ConstableGeneva]

I found some #FakeNews:

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[FlatearthZorro]

interesting take on Hayward I found this morning on jazzfanz.com...

Quote Originally Posted by KqWIN View Post
Hayward wasn't always well received. The fans booed him when he was drafted. Ty Corbin benched him. The FO didn't believe in him enough to meet his extension demands. He signed an offer sheet that many, if not most, wanted the Jazz to avoid matching. When the Jazz did match people called him overpaid. He's proven the Jazz coaches, FO, and fans wrong by improving every single season. People still don't think he's good enough for their liking and he will surely receive a ton of heat for signing a large contract if he does resign.

The fan support was great near the end of the season, but this is far away from a "we were with you from the start" pitch. The man who was really with Hayward from the start is the coach for the Boston Celtics.

That's the thing, not to mention whenever I hear one talk about the other they sound like girlfriends, I havent heard Brad talk like this about any of our players. They are very close. The way the Finals are going can only help us.

[Jamaaliver]

I wonder what the television ratings are going to look like league wide in a couple of years. Yeah, if your sole objective as a fan is to root for a champion, I could see a lot of the audience growing bored and leaving the game in the near future.

I'm not sure if you're old enough to remember the NBA in the 90s.

Jordan's Bulls dominated every year. From 1991-1998, only two franchises won titles...and the league benefitted greatly from that dominance.

As LeBron declines, it's quite possible that KD/Steph become not only the new faces of the NBA...

But the biggest sport stars on the planet.

[smart_celtics]

I wonder what the television ratings are going to look like league wide in a couple of years. Yeah, if your sole objective as a fan is to root for a champion, I could see a lot of the audience growing bored and leaving the game in the near future.

I'm not sure if you're old enough to remember the NBA in the 90s.

Jordan's Bulls dominated every year. From 1991-1998, only two franchises won titles...and the league benefitted greatly from that dominance.

As LeBron declines, it's quite possible that KD/Steph become not only the new faces of the NBA...

But the biggest sport stars on the planet.

I don't have data but fans of teams underrate the extent to which the broader public are bandwagon fans. I think the one issue is whether you can even get anyone to compete with these Warriors. Those Bulls got pushed at several points.

[Stadium5]

Is it wrong to want to use our cap space as a trade asset and take on a bad contract for a team while being giving back an asset for the trouble? Rather than going out and getting Hayward who isn't going to get us where we need to be regardless

If we strike out on Hayward maybe we should use the cap space to bring in a bad contract and get a good pick out of it. Maybe Noah?

[FlatearthZorro]

Is it wrong to want to use our cap space as a trade asset and take on a bad contract for a team while being giving back an asset for the trouble? Rather than going out and getting Hayward who isn't going to get us where we need to be regardless

If we strike out on Hayward maybe we should use the cap space to bring in a bad contract and get a good pick out of it. Maybe Noah?

There is 0 point in tanking for us. In the next 2-3 years we got 4 first rounders. We can't draft all these guys. Even if we do having 10-12 20 years old on the team could potentially lead to the C's paying big time dollars before we make the playoffs ala Sota(possibly) and Philly will pay Embiid 150 mils, they will also pay Covington a decent amount. So this makes no sense. Hayward would be great for our organisation. He's a good role model, hard worker and is super close with Brad. He fills a need as he averaged 24/6 on 42% from 3 in the playoffs. Also he does give us a chance at beating CLE and he is only 27 years old which means he should have 5 prime years in left in him. You sign Hayward and look for a crafty big, maybe get a steal on the market who knows, add Fultz, Zizic, Nader and you should have a better bench than last year and much better starting 5.

[Stadium5]

Is it wrong to want to use our cap space as a trade asset and take on a bad contract for a team while being giving back an asset for the trouble? Rather than going out and getting Hayward who isn't going to get us where we need to be regardless

If we strike out on Hayward maybe we should use the cap space to bring in a bad contract and get a good pick out of it. Maybe Noah?

There is 0 point in tanking for us. In the next 2-3 years we got 4 first rounders. We can't draft all these guys. Even if we do having 10-12 20 years old on the team could potentially lead to the C's paying big time dollars before we make the playoffs ala Sota(possibly) and Philly will pay Embiid 150 mils, they will also pay Covington a decent amount. So this makes no sense. Hayward would be great for our organisation. He's a good role model, hard worker and is super close with Brad. He fills a need as he averaged 24/6 on 42% from 3 in the playoffs. Also he does give us a chance at beating CLE and he is only 27 years old which means he should have 5 prime years in left in him. You sign Hayward and look for a crafty big, maybe get a steal on the market who knows, add Fultz, Zizic, Nader and you should have a better bench than last year and much better starting 5.

You guys simply have no middle ground huh

Since when is not signing Hayward = tanking?

[FlatearthZorro]

Is it wrong to want to use our cap space as a trade asset and take on a bad contract for a team while being giving back an asset for the trouble? Rather than going out and getting Hayward who isn't going to get us where we need to be regardless

If we strike out on Hayward maybe we should use the cap space to bring in a bad contract and get a good pick out of it. Maybe Noah?

There is 0 point in tanking for us. In the next 2-3 years we got 4 first rounders. We can't draft all these guys. Even if we do having 10-12 20 years old on the team could potentially lead to the C's paying big time dollars before we make the playoffs ala Sota(possibly) and Philly will pay Embiid 150 mils, they will also pay Covington a decent amount. So this makes no sense. Hayward would be great for our organisation. He's a good role model, hard worker and is super close with Brad. He fills a need as he averaged 24/6 on 42% from 3 in the playoffs. Also he does give us a chance at beating CLE and he is only 27 years old which means he should have 5 prime years in left in him. You sign Hayward and look for a crafty big, maybe get a steal on the market who knows, add Fultz, Zizic, Nader and you should have a better bench than last year and much better starting 5.

You guys simply have no middle ground huh

Since when is not signing Hayward = tanking?

If we take on a bad contract, we basically admit to treadmilling and risk losing Bradley and Thomas for nothing. It makes no sense whatsoever. We need to improve to show our guys we're looking to win or just trade them or else we risk them walking.

[Stadium5]

There is 0 point in tanking for us. In the next 2-3 years we got 4 first rounders. We can't draft all these guys. Even if we do having 10-12 20 years old on the team could potentially lead to the C's paying big time dollars before we make the playoffs ala Sota(possibly) and Philly will pay Embiid 150 mils, they will also pay Covington a decent amount. So this makes no sense. Hayward would be great for our organisation. He's a good role model, hard worker and is super close with Brad. He fills a need as he averaged 24/6 on 42% from 3 in the playoffs. Also he does give us a chance at beating CLE and he is only 27 years old which means he should have 5 prime years in left in him. You sign Hayward and look for a crafty big, maybe get a steal on the market who knows, add Fultz, Zizic, Nader and you should have a better bench than last year and much better starting 5.

You guys simply have no middle ground huh

Since when is not signing Hayward = tanking?

If we take on a bad contract, we basically admit to treadmilling and risk losing Bradley and Thomas for nothing. It makes no sense whatsoever. We need to improve to show our guys we're looking to win or just trade them or else we risk them walking.

Which is why we need to trade IT and Bradley now rather than A. Keeping them and treadmilling or B. Losing them for nothing

Whether we admit it or not, we will be treadmilling while the GSW are here. Aim to compete 2019 and beyond

[CelticsLV]

Will not be surprised if Pat the Rat strikes and steals either Hayward or Griffin from our noses. Now with Bosh off their cap they have a max salary slot.

30-11 record during 2nd half of the season. Beat Cavs 3 out of 3 times, beat Wizards 2 out of 2, beat Huston 2 out of 2, beat Warriors full squad.

They need upgrade at PF or SF spot and Miami looks like an enticing destination.

[FlatearthZorro]

Will not be surprised if Pat the Rat strikes and steals either Hayward or Griffin from our noses. Now with Bosh off their cap they have a max salary slot.

30-11 record during 2nd half of the season. Beat Cavs 3 out of 3 times, beat Wizards 2 out of 2, beat Huston 2 out of 2, beat Warriors full squad.

They need upgrade at PF or SF spot and Miami looks like an enticing destination.

Sadly we beat them 4 out of 4 times and I don't think Hayward is that interested in Miami cause he has girlfriend/wife. I don't consider Riley a threat when it comes to Hayward, Griffin is anotehr story cause MIA and LA are both warm/high profile, you can party all night type of cities and Blake could go there.

[sully00]

Jesus, these Finals are an absolute joke. I know we're all supposed to be all in on Hayward and everything but is it worth it right now? And I LOVE Hayward but how much does he move the needle? I don't know what the rationale would be in going over the tax for a team that right now has ZERO shot at beating Golden State. When do we have to worry about the repeater tax?

I wonder what the television ratings are going to look like league wide in a couple of years. Yeah, if your sole objective as a fan is to root for a champion, I could see a lot of the audience growing bored and leaving the game in the near future.

It usually is the opposite people love to watch greatness. Nobody got tired of watching the Lakers or the Celtics win, nobody stopped watching Jordan stomp everyone, ratings were great for Shaq and Kobe. Perhaps more than any other sport the NBA needs stars heroes or villains they want stars and greatness. You might be rooting for anyone to beat them but your still watching.

[GoCeltics123]

You guys simply have no middle ground huh

Since when is not signing Hayward = tanking?

If we take on a bad contract, we basically admit to treadmilling and risk losing Bradley and Thomas for nothing. It makes no sense whatsoever. We need to improve to show our guys we're looking to win or just trade them or else we risk them walking.

Which is why we need to trade IT and Bradley now rather than A. Keeping them and treadmilling or B. Losing them for nothing

Whether we admit it or not, we will be treadmilling while the GSW are here. Aim to compete 2019 and beyond

I mean yeah they will be, but the Celtics are pseudo-contenders for a reason right now. They are aiming for the future, but also realize that they're one LeBron injury from the finals. Considering nobody in the East will beat LeBron's team straight-out, that's the best position to be in.

Pseudo-contenders now, contenders in the future is the idea here