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Re: 2019 NBA draft 

Post#461 » by Homerclease » Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:37 am

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Homerclease wrote:I would much rather have Naz Reid than Sekou. Reid has the skillset to be the next Al Horford


Reid and Doumboya seem very different. Sekou is a modern day 4, who can dribble and pass pretty well at 6'9, great athlete, Reid's more of a traditional big man. When I watched him I don't see any of Horfie in him.

I'd take Doumboya for his versatility. Feel like he will do very well in today's game and he's still very young. He will be 19 this year.

Complete polar opposites I agree. Doumboya is a raw athletic freak while Reid is old school, very skilled but with a limited athletic ceiling. Dude can do it all though. Can score down low, shoot mid range and even a little from deep and has very good court vision. I wouldn’t be upset with either one but much prefer Reid given what the Celtics have on the current roster
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Post#462 » by Ball4life32 » Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:00 pm

djFan71 wrote:I'll go on record as saying Bol Bol ends up somewhere between Thabeet, Oden, maybe Maker, best case his dad career-wise. Closer to the first 2. Do not want.

I understand some concerns with Bol’s foot injury but Bol is MUCH more skilled than any of the 3 you’re comparing him too and much more skilled than his dad. None of those guys are similar to Bol other than being tall and skinny (Maker/Thabeet)
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Re: 2019 NBA draft 

Post#463 » by mbsnmisc » Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:12 pm

NuckyPowell wrote:I don't know if he can do a single other thing, but I've liked Konate a lot strictly for his shot blocking ability. One of the best shot blockers I've ever seen. NbaDraft.net has him going in the second round. I'd take him way before I took Bol.

This has been a lost season for Sagaba Konate. He has a mysterious knee injury that has kept him out basically the entire season. Doctors have cleared him, but he has been showing up to the games on crutches. His older brother is a major influence in his life and people around the team think he (older brother) has ulterior motives.
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Re: 2019 NBA draft 

Post#464 » by ddb » Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:18 pm

Ja Morant to me just seems like the player that will emerge as the best in the class. It's almost obvious, and I wouldn't be surprised in the least bit if the team drafting #1 will regret not taking him (assuming Zion goes #1).
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Post#465 » by djFan71 » Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:20 pm

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djFan71 wrote:I'll go on record as saying Bol Bol ends up somewhere between Thabeet, Oden, maybe Maker, best case his dad career-wise. Closer to the first 2. Do not want.

I understand some concerns with Bol’s foot injury but Bol is MUCH more skilled than any of the 3 you’re comparing him too and much more skilled than his dad. None of those guys are similar to Bol other than being tall and skinny (Maker/Thabeet)

Fair enough, I could be wrong. But, that tall and skinny part is a big part of what made/makes them ineffective/injury prone. Unless you're KD/Giannis level skilled to make up for it, there haven't been too many (any?) cases of that body type being super successful.
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Re: 2019 NBA draft 

Post#466 » by ddb » Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:36 pm

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djFan71 wrote:I'll go on record as saying Bol Bol ends up somewhere between Thabeet, Oden, maybe Maker, best case his dad career-wise. Closer to the first 2. Do not want.

I understand some concerns with Bol’s foot injury but Bol is MUCH more skilled than any of the 3 you’re comparing him too and much more skilled than his dad. None of those guys are similar to Bol other than being tall and skinny (Maker/Thabeet)

Fair enough, I could be wrong. But, that tall and skinny part is a big part of what made/makes them ineffective/injury prone. Unless you're KD/Giannis level skilled to make up for it, there haven't been too many (any?) cases of that body type being super successful.


Zinger is a good example. his trajectory was outstanding pre-injury. I don't see why he can't get back to that level in Dallas. But the durability questions will always be there with him... Also with Bol Bol. For me, when you're picking in the mid to late teens, if you can land a high upside prospect with Zinger-like upside, you do it, despite the injury concerns.

Drafting a player like that is much different then having to give a big extension to a player like that. It's not the end-of-the-world if he gets injured on a rookie-scale-deal.
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Post#467 » by celticfan42487 » Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:55 pm

Phew okay. With the Celtics getting blown out last night. I think it's safe to say the pick chances for the Clippers and Kings are done-done. We're getting both, and as high as it could be.

Obvi the Lakers are done done too for the playoffs which is pleasing to see.

So going into the draft we should have the 14th overall, 18-20th overall, and 21rst overall picks.

Not to put any pressure on Ainge. Because he's swung and missed with multiple first rounders over and over again.

But the last time we had almost those exact picks we walked away with one of the best drafts of all time in Jefferson, West, Tony Allen (best draft by value I guess).

So let's hope it's a lot more like that and a lot less like the Sullinger Fab Melo draft (that said Sullinger wasn't that bad of a value either despite his short career).
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Post#468 » by CelticFaninLBC » Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:08 pm

Let's say there's no Davis trade and Boston ends up with pick 9, 14, 20 & 22. Who do you pick? The 3 Duke guys and Morant are very likely off the board by #9.

All I know is that with possibly 4 picks, Boston has the luxury to take a change on Bol Bol @ 14. Also, Talen Horton Tucker is an intriguing player to take later in the 1st round. Shorter Draymond Green type guy.
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Post#469 » by big-shot-ROB » Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:31 pm

CelticFaninLBC wrote:Let's say there's no Davis trade and Boston ends up with pick 9, 14, 20 & 22. Who do you pick? The 3 Duke guys and Morant are very likely off the board by #9.

All I know is that with possibly 4 picks, Boston has the luxury to take a change on Bol Bol @ 14. Also, Talen Horton Tucker is an intriguing player to take later in the 1st round. Shorter Draymond Green type guy.


I'm assuming all of Garland, Hunter, Culver and the 3 at the Duke are off the board.

OPTION 1: Win-now
#9 Romeo Langford
#14 Bruno Fernando
#20 Tre Jones
#22 Jontay Porter

Romeo gives us a capable scorer in the off the bench with nice defense and capable playmaking (question marks about his 3pt). Fernando is Baynes, but young, and he has displayed quite decent passing lately. Tre Jones is a good playmaker and awesome defender, but his scoring might limit him. Jontay is a gem, but the injuries are scary.

OPTION 2: Potential
#9 Jaxson Hayes
#14 Sekou Doumbouya
#20 Coby White
#22 Mfiondu Kabengele

Jaxson Hayes is a rim-runner/defender project with high ceiling and high floor. Sekou is a complete project but might have one of the highest ceilings. Coby White could pan out or could not. Kabengele is a bigger Maxi Kleber with a lot of fire in him.

OPTION 3: Wild cards
#9 Nassir Little
#14 Bruno Fernando
#20 Brandon Clarke
#22 Kevin Porter Jr

Combination of all we need; interior presence and defense (Fernando and Clarke) with potential (Little and Porter) with projected efficient role players (Clarke, Fernando) but envolved in a lot of uncertainty.

OPTION 4: Dream scenario
#9 Darius Garland
#14 Jarrett Culver
#20 Bruno Fernando
#22 Jontay Porter / Mfiondu Kabengele

I'm assuming Hachimura, Porter Jr, Langford, Little, Keldon Johnson, KZ and others make big leaps and teams are scared of Culver's shooting, Garlands defense. But this would be my personal best draft if we keep the picks.
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Re: 2019 NBA draft 

Post#470 » by Darth Celtic » Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:50 pm

Still think that in the end, we make 1 pick this year, probably later in the draft, and pick somebody to fill out the roster who can play right away. Like a JR or Sr. I think every other pick we get goes in trades.
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Post#471 » by Bill Lumbergh » Wed Mar 13, 2019 5:40 am

I don't know if the kid is gonna leave school this year or not, but I like Tyler Herro pretty well at Kentucky. He could probably use another year at school, but I think he's a big time talent.
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Post#472 » by Roddy » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:18 pm

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CelticFaninLBC wrote:Let's say there's no Davis trade and Boston ends up with pick 9, 14, 20 & 22. Who do you pick? The 3 Duke guys and Morant are very likely off the board by #9.

All I know is that with possibly 4 picks, Boston has the luxury to take a change on Bol Bol @ 14. Also, Talen Horton Tucker is an intriguing player to take later in the 1st round. Shorter Draymond Green type guy.


I'm assuming all of Garland, Hunter, Culver and the 3 at the Duke are off the board.

OPTION 1: Win-now
#9 Romeo Langford
#14 Bruno Fernando
#20 Tre Jones
#22 Jontay Porter

Romeo gives us a capable scorer in the off the bench with nice defense and capable playmaking (question marks about his 3pt). Fernando is Baynes, but young, and he has displayed quite decent passing lately. Tre Jones is a good playmaker and awesome defender, but his scoring might limit him. Jontay is a gem, but the injuries are scary.

OPTION 2: Potential
#9 Jaxson Hayes
#14 Sekou Doumbouya
#20 Coby White
#22 Mfiondu Kabengele

Jaxson Hayes is a rim-runner/defender project with high ceiling and high floor. Sekou is a complete project but might have one of the highest ceilings. Coby White could pan out or could not. Kabengele is a bigger Maxi Kleber with a lot of fire in him.

OPTION 3: Wild cards
#9 Nassir Little
#14 Bruno Fernando
#20 Brandon Clarke
#22 Kevin Porter Jr

Combination of all we need; interior presence and defense (Fernando and Clarke) with potential (Little and Porter) with projected efficient role players (Clarke, Fernando) but envolved in a lot of uncertainty.

OPTION 4: Dream scenario
#9 Darius Garland
#14 Jarrett Culver
#20 Bruno Fernando
#22 Jontay Porter / Mfiondu Kabengele

I'm assuming Hachimura, Porter Jr, Langford, Little, Keldon Johnson, KZ and others make big leaps and teams are scared of Culver's shooting, Garlands defense. But this would be my personal best draft if we keep the picks.


I doubt we will keep the 4 picks even without an Anthony Davis trade. But let's go for it

#9 : G Jarrett Culver. I love this kid. He can do everything. Able to creates his own shot. High IQ BB.
#14 : C Bruno Fernando. Big guy, great defender. He has made clear progress on offense this season.
#20 : PF Jontay Porter. Poor man Al Horford. Great passer.
#22 : PG Tre Jones. A true PG. Same player than his brother Tyus, he would be a perfect back-up.
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Post#473 » by djFan71 » Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:17 pm

Look at the Clippers with SGA at 11 (trade up from 12) and now Shamet who was 26. It can be done with the type of picks we have. Depending on other moves, guys may not get the PT those 2 are, but there's always talent available. I'm hoping the Grizz doesn't convey, but 9 looks like a decent spot in this draft & if you throw in 14 you could conceivably move up a few more spots.

Just gotta beat 2016's performance. I know we were going for stash guys for KD (tho I never understood why we couldn't just trade guys if he committed), but Siakam, Brogdon, Murray, Bembry, LaVert are all guys we had shots at. Layman, too, if only CHL had warned us. Obviously, nobody nails them all the time. But if we get all 4, nailing at least 2 of them would be key.
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Post#474 » by vct33 » Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:51 pm

After about 100 simulations, I finally got a result with Kings getting #2 and Memphis getting #9!!!
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Post#475 » by brackdan70 » Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:20 pm

vct33 wrote:After about 100 simulations, I finally got a result with Kings getting #2 and Memphis getting #9!!!

So you’re saying there’s a chance....:)
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Post#476 » by snowman » Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:25 am

I would like to see:

9) Nassir Little
14) Bol Bol
20) Coby White
22) Tre Jones

A little bit of it all. Little Is a Brown replacement (I expect him to get traded this summer for a power forward to replace Morris), Bol is a big to be groomed by Al, White takes Rozier's place, and Jones takes Wannamaker's place.
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Post#477 » by sully00 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:31 pm

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djFan71 wrote:
Atlhawks09 wrote:I understand some concerns with Bol’s foot injury but Bol is MUCH more skilled than any of the 3 you’re comparing him too and much more skilled than his dad. None of those guys are similar to Bol other than being tall and skinny (Maker/Thabeet)

Fair enough, I could be wrong. But, that tall and skinny part is a big part of what made/makes them ineffective/injury prone. Unless you're KD/Giannis level skilled to make up for it, there haven't been too many (any?) cases of that body type being super successful.


Zinger is a good example. his trajectory was outstanding pre-injury. I don't see why he can't get back to that level in Dallas. But the durability questions will always be there with him... Also with Bol Bol. For me, when you're picking in the mid to late teens, if you can land a high upside prospect with Zinger-like upside, you do it, despite the injury concerns.

Drafting a player like that is much different then having to give a big extension to a player like that. It's not the end-of-the-world if he gets injured on a rookie-scale-deal.


I am horrified by the foot injury but I am not going to fear the frustration that dude is 7'2" with a face up game at 19. He just seems so rare to have shot blocker/rim protector who has a skilled offensive game at freaky size you have to take a shot. It just feels like he can get better at the things he is weak at.

He played so few games and college basketball is a wasteland as far as post play this season it is easy to over state it with this guy. But he is a top 5 talent in this draft I know the surgery is not a conclusive way to handle this injury but it is done and he will have had 10 months off by the start of the season. I see him projected to Boston at 18 I don't think he lasts that long. Obviously we might be picking for someone else but either way I draft that guy and let him sit out the year and it isn't that I think he is Hakeem or anything I just think he is legit and don't see a lot more of that in this draft.
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Post#478 » by sully00 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:53 pm

CelticFaninLBC wrote:Let's say there's no Davis trade and Boston ends up with pick 9, 14, 20 & 22. Who do you pick? The 3 Duke guys and Morant are very likely off the board by #9.

All I know is that with possibly 4 picks, Boston has the luxury to take a change on Bol Bol @ 14. Also, Talen Horton Tucker is an intriguing player to take later in the 1st round. Shorter Draymond Green type guy.


I don't think Boston can roster 4 rookies. They can be drafted, signed and traded 30 days later so there is that scenario but if isn't for trade purposes Boston can't concede 4 roster spots to rookies right now so I think they will look to consolidate picks to move up or try and trade for a future draft pick if all 4 picks convey.
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Post#479 » by Bleeding Green » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:19 pm

If they get all four picks they need to draft some stashable euros, of which there don't seem to be many in the 9-22 range (Bitadze, Samanic, Sirvydis?). I would not draft huge, walking injuries or walking projects with one of the picks; I would rather just trade it for a couple future second rounder than bother with Bol Bol or Sekou Doumbouya taking up a roster spot for 3-4 years to contribute nothing. If they get all four, good luck being able to trade one or two of them for fair value when every team has you over a barrel. I think they could, in a worst case scenario (Kyrie leaves, Horford leaves, no Davis trade) roster four rookies, but that would be a seriously weak team next year unless Tatum and Brown take huge steps forward and they find the ROY somewhere in the draft.
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Post#480 » by sully00 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:47 pm

Bleeding Green wrote:If they get all four picks they need to draft some stashable euros, of which there don't seem to be many in the 9-22 range (Bitadze, Samanic, Sirvydis?). I would not draft huge, walking injuries or walking projects with one of the picks; I would rather just trade it for a couple future second rounder than bother with Bol Bol or Sekou Doumbouya taking up a roster spot for 3-4 years to contribute nothing. If they get all four, good luck being able to trade one or two of them for fair value when every team has you over a barrel. I think they could, in a worst case scenario (Kyrie leaves, Horford leaves, no Davis trade) roster four rookies, but that would be a seriously weak team next year unless Tatum and Brown take huge steps forward and they find the ROY somewhere in the draft.


Draft picks always have value. Everyone thought Ainge was up against it in 2016 when he had 3 1sts and 4 seconds and he ends being able to stash two Euros and turn two 2nds into the Clippers pick.

There is 6 teams that aren't going to have a first round pick and a few of those teams have multiple picks over the next couple of years so they may look to swap a future pick for a pick this year. Teams who are looking to make moves in FA may also want the cheap roster spot filled.

We essentially had an open roster spot all season with the Bird situation why not give it a big with upside.

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