Kyrie Irving Goodbye Thread

[3D Chess]

I think Butler would have gotten it done. but who knows

And then what? Give Butler the max and top out as a ECF team? He walks and we gave up assets for nothing?

Kyrie isn't a #1 guy (despite what he may think), and Danny's only play to get him one of those, was to wait for this offseason and AD (with a long shot at KD in an alternate universe). If Kyrie was too dumb to see that Danny's hands were tied, but that help was likely on the way if he toed the line, that's on him.

**** the Rose rule by the way.

Who is gonna be #1 guy next year? Tatum? Maybe that satsifies Danny Ainge. Danny could have made some adjustements. Trading Rozier was the least he could do.

He almost certainly tried to trade Terry, but what do you think was being offered for half a season of a soon to be paid RFA playing abysmal basketball? Can you even give me one name that might have improved this team enough to make Kyrie consider staying? I'm struggling to come up with one.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

point is, if ainge wanted kyrie long term... which it seems he does, he shouldhave done what it took to bring someone in imo

Ainge tried. The targets were AD and KD. Hell, the Celtics' front office was preparing to pitch KD last summer but he decided to stick around. And if it weren't for that Rose rule which prevented the Celtics from trading for AD, AD would have been a Celtic by now. Kyrie messed it all up by not giving his commitment to stay (which, IMO, is probably a huge indicator that he, himself, wasn't too confident in being able to keep AD in Boston. Hence the reason why it appears he is Brooklyn-bound). Ainge played all of his cards right. What he didn't forecast was how AD would be adamant about not wanting to play in Boston, along with Kyrie being so awful in the locker room that most of his teammates would end up hating him.

Also, your suggestion of trading for Butler - when would/should that have happened? Because again, if Ainge had attempted to trade for Butler, then he is now losing chips that he was saving for AD. This isn't even discussing the fact that the Celtics had already soured on Butler before July, 2017 (Cliff's notes - he was a complete **** to Brad during the 2017 All-Star game, along with the fact that the Celtics weren't sure how to manage his ego. Seeing how things played out in Minnesota and Philly confirmed this).

[Gooner]

And then what? Give Butler the max and top out as a ECF team? He walks and we gave up assets for nothing?

Kyrie isn't a #1 guy (despite what he may think), and Danny's only play to get him one of those, was to wait for this offseason and AD (with a long shot at KD in an alternate universe). If Kyrie was too dumb to see that Danny's hands were tied, but that help was likely on the way if he toed the line, that's on him.

**** the Rose rule by the way.

Who is gonna be #1 guy next year? Tatum? Maybe that satsifies Danny Ainge. Danny could have made some adjustements. Trading Rozier was the least he could do.

He almost certainly tried to trade Terry, but what do you think was being offered for half a season of a soon to be paid RFA playing abysmal basketball? Can you even give me one name that might have improved this team enough to make Kyrie consider staying? I'm struggling to come up with one.

If he couldn't trade him then he should have bought him out. You have to do something when you are competing for a championship. Hayward should have played much less too, but they were trying to build up his trade value. There was no sense of urgency. It's weird when you have a star player in a final year of a contract.

[3D Chess]

Who is gonna be #1 guy next year? Tatum? Maybe that satsifies Danny Ainge. Danny could have made some adjustements. Trading Rozier was the least he could do.

He almost certainly tried to trade Terry, but what do you think was being offered for half a season of a soon to be paid RFA playing abysmal basketball? Can you even give me one name that might have improved this team enough to make Kyrie consider staying? I'm struggling to come up with one.

If he couldn't trade him then he should have bought him out. You have to do something when you are competing for a championship. Hayward should have played much less too, but they were trying to build up his trade value. There was no sense of urgency. It's weird when you have a star player in a final year of a contract.

LOL. Just pay him to go away when we were trying to make a run at a title? Yep, sure, that would have helped.

[3D Chess]

point is, if ainge wanted kyrie long term... which it seems he does, he shouldhave done what it took to bring someone in imo

Ainge tried. The targets were AD and KD. Hell, the Celtics' front office was preparing to pitch KD last summer but he decided to stick around. And if it weren't for that Rose rule which prevented the Celtics from trading for AD, AD would have been a Celtic by now. Kyrie messed it all up by not giving his commitment to stay (which, IMO, is probably a huge indicator that he, himself, wasn't too confident in being able to keep AD in Boston. Hence the reason why it appears he is Brooklyn-bound). Ainge played all of his cards right. What he didn't forecast was how AD would be adamant about not wanting to play in Boston, along with Kyrie being so awful in the locker room that most of his teammates would end up hating him.

Also, your suggestion of trading for Butler - when would/should that have happened? Because again, if Ainge had attempted to trade for Butler, then he is now losing chips that he was saving for AD. This isn't even discussing the fact that the Celtics had already soured on Butler before July, 2017 (Cliff's notes - he was a complete **** to Brad during the 2017 All-Star game, along with the fact that the Celtics weren't sure how to manage his ego. Seeing how things played out in Minnesota and Philly confirmed this).

It's like people think Danny didn't even consider doing every single one of these things plus a million more, before deciding (with 1000x more info than we have) to go down the path he did.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

He almost certainly tried to trade Terry, but what do you think was being offered for half a season of a soon to be paid RFA playing abysmal basketball? Can you even give me one name that might have improved this team enough to make Kyrie consider staying? I'm struggling to come up with one.

If he couldn't trade him then he should have bought him out. You have to do something when you are competing for a championship. Hayward should have played much less too, but they were trying to build up his trade value. There was no sense of urgency. It's weird when you have a star player in a final year of a contract.

LOL. Just pay him to go away when we were trying to make a run at a title? Yep, sure, that would have helped.

Let's buy out the guy we were using as insurance in case Kyrie changed his mind.

I second-guessed Ainge for not trading Rozier, but now it looks like it might have been the right move.

[MagicBagley18]

I leave for a bit and now we go back and forth with nets fans?

[Darth Celtic]

I leave for a bit and now we go back and forth with nets fans?

Barely notice. he's not trolling, he's adding to the discussion well.

[denmuscles]

If I was the GM i would never sign guys like Butler, Cousins, Irving etc.

MARK MY WORDS

When Kyrie goes to the Nets just give it a few months.

[TheOGJabroni]

I leave for a bit and now we go back and forth with nets fans?

Barely notice. he's not trolling, he's adding to the discussion well.

It's actually nice getting perspective from other teams' fans when they are reasonable.

[Celtics_Champs]

If I was the GM i would never sign guys like Butler, Cousins, Irving etc.

MARK MY WORDS

When Kyrie goes to the Nets just give it a few months.

He will be harder to pry, but the fact that teams aren’t more interested in Kemba over Kyrie is astonishing.

[sam_I_am]

I imagine Brooklyn is ecstatic about getting Kyrie but I feel they are going to be getting DWill redux. I doubt they will regret losing DLo however.

[canman1971]

I leave for a bit and now we go back and forth with nets fans?

What's your deal? You can't talk to fans of other teams? Dude is just offering his perspective, which is totally fine.

[MagicBagley18]

I leave for a bit and now we go back and forth with nets fans?

What's your deal? You can't talk to fans of other teams? Dude is just offering his perspective, which is totally fine.

over the past 2 weeks all ive seen is troll jobs so yes in the celtics forum id prefer to talk with celtic fans not a nets fan telling me we should have traded for jimmy butler

[Andrew McCeltic]

If I was the GM i would never sign guys like Butler, Cousins, Irving etc.

MARK MY WORDS

When Kyrie goes to the Nets just give it a few months.

He will be harder to pry, but the fact that teams aren’t more interested in Kemba over Kyrie is astonishing.

The number of things Kyrie seems to want has grown by the year.. to be out from under Lebron’s wing to be a “franchise player” - oops wait sorry Bron I didn’t understand - then to have veterans who know how to play - to contend for a championship - to play with KD - to play close to home..

Just make sure the syndicated horoscopes on 6/30 and 7/1 are about thinking through a big decision and appreciating what you have

[Andrew McCeltic]

I’d love to have leaks come out that Boston is interested in working sign and trades but that they don’t want Irving back because he was such a locker room/media/leadership disaster

[canman1971]

I leave for a bit and now we go back and forth with nets fans?

What's your deal? You can't talk to fans of other teams? Dude is just offering his perspective, which is totally fine.

over the past 2 weeks all ive seen is troll jobs so yes in the celtics forum id prefer to talk with celtic fans not a nets fan telling me we should have traded for jimmy butler

Ignore them. Myself and the other mods will deal with those who troll. Trust me, I have the quickest trigger finger on the suspension button than anyone. Consider me the Doc Holliday of mods lately as I don't have the patience to deal with idiots.

[FlatearthZorro]

If I was the GM i would never sign guys like Butler, Cousins, Irving etc.

MARK MY WORDS

When Kyrie goes to the Nets just give it a few months.

That's what I've been saying, if he was mad playing guys like Tatum and Brown, who are fairly decent at shooting the 3 and both play well on defense, if the Nets make the mistake if bringing back Russell, this will be a disaster within 3-4 months and Irving will start throwing temper tantrums, spewing nonsense about the little things, again, while self-promoting(saying how special he is, etc)... Even with Harris that Nets team wont be nearly good enough to even be contending.

[FlatearthZorro]

What's your deal? You can't talk to fans of other teams? Dude is just offering his perspective, which is totally fine.

over the past 2 weeks all ive seen is troll jobs so yes in the celtics forum id prefer to talk with celtic fans not a nets fan telling me we should have traded for jimmy butler

Ignore them. Myself and the other mods will deal with those who troll. Trust me, I have the quickest trigger finger on the suspension button than anyone. Consider me the Doc Holliday of mods lately as I don't have the patience to deal with idiots.

Porkhorov is perennial Celtics hater. No idea as to what he's doing here. Nothing against him or the Nets, never had anything against them to begin with and when they sign Irving I wont have anything against them, either.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

What's funny is how the shoe is now on the other foot. When we traded for Kyrie, all Cavs fans just said "Enjoy him. He's a great player, but he's super moody!". We all brushed it off and attributed it to the fact that Kyrie didn't like how Lebron was treating him.

Well, now, it's us playing that role. And it seems like that Nets fan was in here trying to justify Kyrie's wanting to leave Boston. He might feel differently about him now that we've let him know that the Celtics did everything in their power to keep him happy.

Good luck to the Nets fans with Kyrie - he's a fun player to watch, very talented, but he's crazy.

Also, Russillo and Zach Lowe were talking on a podcast saying that the local writers did not report anything negative about Kyrie because they wanted him to stick around, but now that he's leaving, expect a Festivus-level of airing of grievances coming soon. I mean, Bulpett's last article about him snuck in a few jabs about having to listen to Kyrie's BS.

I can't wait to hear it. Lol